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CoverTwo
09-27-2007, 10:29 PM
Per TM @ Rivals
This is kinda odd, IMO.
He is a Clemson commit..and its 95% chance he ends up there but why would our staff allow him to visit if we dont have a realistic shot at him?
gotrice?
09-27-2007, 10:32 PM
Its very very interesting. I'm wondering if the Clemson coaching staff did something that angered him or if he is just taking a visit for fun. He probably does end up at Clemson but the fact that he is visiting and is probably one of if not the best DL in the nation makes things interesting.
COCKROCK
09-27-2007, 10:32 PM
Maybe he decides cow tipping isn't for him?
AmonRa777
09-27-2007, 10:32 PM
Per TM @ Rivals
This is kinda odd, IMO.
He is a Clemson commit..and its 95% chance he ends up there but why would our staff allow him to visit if we dont have a realistic shot at him?
Because he is a great prospect....Whatever minute chance we have must be taken....Who knows how he will react when Tommy Bowden is fired in November...Lets just win some games and see what happens in February
Dr. Cock
09-27-2007, 10:33 PM
Per TM @ Rivals
This is kinda odd, IMO.
He is a Clemson commit..and its 95% chance he ends up there but why would our staff allow him to visit if we dont have a realistic shot at him?
I would wager to guess because he is an awesome talent (#7 on Rivals overall), and it's better to have an outside shot with him than no shot at all. Hopefully he'll see the light of day and he's really impressed with his visit. If we take care of business against Clemson this year, I think we have a lot better shot of stealing him then we do of A.J. Green.
Dr. Cock
09-27-2007, 10:33 PM
Because he is a great prospect....Whatever minute chance we have must be taken....Who knows how he will react when Tommy Bowden is fired in November...Lets just win some games and see what happens in February
:bow::bow::bow::bow:
gotrice?
09-27-2007, 10:40 PM
Because he is a great prospect....Whatever minute chance we have must be taken....Who knows how he will react when Tommy Bowden is fired in November...Lets just win some games and see what happens in February
Bowden isn't going to be fired this year. I was hoping he would but right now it looks like at worst they finish with 3 losses and thats if they split GT and VT (which they could very well sweep but odds are against them being swept), lose to BC, and lose to us. He will be around for next year barring an absolute collapse on Clemson's part. They have a decent shot to be 11-0 coming into Columbia if they play to their talent level.
Dr. Cock
09-27-2007, 10:44 PM
Bowden isn't going to be fired this year. I was hoping he would but right now it looks like at worst they finish with 3 losses and thats if they split GT and VT (which they could very well sweep but odds are against them being swept), lose to BC, and lose to us. He will be around for next year barring an absolute collapse on Clemson's part. They have a decent shot to be 11-0 coming into Columbia if they play to their talent level.
A 9-3 record with a loss to us would piss off a lot of Clemson fans to be honest. If they don't win the conference, then they, in their eyes, must at least maintain their dominance in state. Personally, I hope he escapes this season because he's a mediocre coach, but I would definately find it hilarious if he didn't make it, and it would be sweet for us to be the main cause of sending him out.
Anyways, back on topic, anyone have a link?
gotrice?
09-27-2007, 10:51 PM
A 9-3 record with a loss to us would piss off a lot of Clemson fans to be honest. If they don't win the conference, then they, in their eyes, must at least maintain their dominance in state. Personally, I hope he escapes this season because he's a mediocre coach, but I would definately find it hilarious if he didn't make it, and it would be sweet for us to be the main cause of sending him out.
Anyways, back on topic, anyone have a link?
It would take a 7 win season for Bowden to get fired. Even though a loss to us would piss alot of Clemson fans off a 9-3 would easily keep his job because he can point to there being some improvement. Plus a 9-3 record with a loss to us puts them with a very very good shot at being in the ACC Championship game.
cock13
09-27-2007, 11:08 PM
daquan is soooo dirty. he is probably the prospect i want most this year. his film is out of control. i say we buy him a car or something on this visit
gamecockfandrew
09-27-2007, 11:10 PM
Why would you say that? I'm sure Clemson already got him a Charger and a lake house. HAHAHA! Come on Bowers! Be smart about your college choice. Farming isn't for you!
Dr. Cock
09-27-2007, 11:14 PM
Why would you say that? I'm sure Clemson already got him a Charger and a lake house. HAHAHA! Come on Bowers! Be smart about your college choice. Farming isn't for you!
They can give him all that, but we still got our ace: Our Girls! A night with them and he couldn't refuse a commit! No other girls in the US have more experience dealing with Cocks!
:twisted:
gamecockfandrew
09-27-2007, 11:17 PM
They can give him all that, but we still got our ace: Our Girls! A night with them and he couldn't refuse a commit! No other girls in the US have more experience dealing with Cocks!
:twisted:
Yeah, but the "girls" in Clemson will give you milk, could become your dinner, and are just mainly fun at night---for tipping. :lol:
Dr. Cock
09-27-2007, 11:19 PM
Yeah, but the "girls" in Clemson will give you milk, could become your dinner, and are just mainly fun at night---for tipping. :lol:
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: PTS!
gamecockfandrew
09-27-2007, 11:22 PM
LOL. How sweet would it be to take Bowers away from Clemson. And even sweeter, take Green from Georgia. And even sweeter, get Robert Quinn. And even sweeter, my mom's sweet tea...ok, take that one out of the recruiting mix.
Dr. Cock
09-27-2007, 11:24 PM
LOL. How sweet would it be to take Bowers away from Clemson. And even sweeter, take Green from Georgia. And even sweeter, get Robert Quinn. And even sweeter, my mom's sweet tea...ok, take that one out of the recruiting mix.
All of that would indeed by sweet, but nothing would be sweeter than winning the SEC this year! We would reap significant rewards in recruiting, and that would probably only be some of the recruits we'd be able to steal (well, maybe not your mom's sweet tea, but hey, you get the point!)
:football::football::football:
gamecockfandrew
09-27-2007, 11:30 PM
HAHAHA! Hell yeah! Let's get to Hot'lanta in December. As you can tell below, the law will be looking for Cocky come that time.
Gamecockfanatic4
09-27-2007, 11:38 PM
He and AJ Green I will wait til the ink is dry to stop wondering about
AmonRa777
09-28-2007, 10:02 AM
It would take a 7 win season for Bowden to get fired. Even though a loss to us would piss alot of Clemson fans off a 9-3 would easily keep his job because he can point to there being some improvement. Plus a 9-3 record with a loss to us puts them with a very very good shot at being in the ACC Championship game.
Dude IPTAY is fed up with Bowden....Its not up to him...9-3 and another loss to USC will not save him....Also if they do go 9-3 , they will get overseeded for a bowl game and get waxed there to....You need to talk to some of the big IPTAY donors...Bowdens seat is hot right now...Taters are not thrilled being 4-0, they are waiting for the inevitable mid to late season collapse
JAYBEZ
09-28-2007, 10:05 AM
He could just be visiting to inform the clemson coaches about what we are selling to the kids that visit.
Checking the competition and all...
Just a thought.
Ga_Gamecock
09-28-2007, 10:12 AM
If you are our coaches you dont turn away a 5* DT who wants to visit ... thats why recruits take visits. CU will tell him not to come ... USC will be ready. Im sure our staff knows whats up. If they feel they have a real shot at him, then they will def roll out the red carpet for him and try to sway him to USC. And why bash him just b/c hes a CU commit? If he flip flops and joins our program he will be a big asset to our DL. Plus, given our recent run-stopping efforts, maybe the staff can sell him on early PT and our "need" for him ... plus we are in the SEC. I say go get him ...
KCSuge
09-28-2007, 12:26 PM
Somebody tell him, "Why play for tommy bowden when you could play for STEVE SPURRIER for cryin' out loud?!"
FeartheSpur
09-28-2007, 01:11 PM
we dont need bowden to get fired...they might actually get a better coach..
JM1984
09-28-2007, 04:05 PM
There is a chance for early PT at both schools. However, I think the ACC vs. SEC will come into play. If you want to prove yourself, the ACC just isn't it. When talk of the toughest conference comes up, no one ever mentions the ACC. I think playing for Spurrier, a chance for early playing time, a big school in an actual city, new facilities being built, and a playing for a program on the rise are all big selling factors. He may be in for a show, hopefully we can get all this across to him, anyhow, I wish him the best.
AmonRa777
09-28-2007, 04:22 PM
His HS coach has been brainwashing him on Clempsin since he was in the 10th grade....It will be alomst impossible to turn him...But we have to try...Just as we are trying with Dalton Freeman....Recruiting is a strange science...You never give up on the top prospects in your state....
garnet4ever
09-28-2007, 04:50 PM
you have to give them the taste of it before they commit ... showing him the real deal ...
LegalCock
09-28-2007, 05:10 PM
We need to get that high school coach down there fired. The principal is a gamecock, as I hear it. H.S. coaches should be more diplomatic and agnostic, could cost them.
bhusc2002
09-28-2007, 05:21 PM
Bowden isn't going to be fired this year. I was hoping he would but right now it looks like at worst they finish with 3 losses and thats if they split GT and VT (which they could very well sweep but odds are against them being swept), lose to BC, and lose to us. He will be around for next year barring an absolute collapse on Clemson's part. They have a decent shot to be 11-0 coming into Columbia if they play to their talent level.you mean something around the area of losing four of their last five? now i know i remember that happening to some orange clad team from south carolina recently. who was that and when did it happen?
gotrice?
09-28-2007, 05:36 PM
you mean something around the area of losing four of their last five? now i know i remember that happening to some orange clad team from south carolina recently. who was that and when did it happen?
Oh I know its happened but it happened because they couldn't throw the ball downfield and teams finally figured it out. From what I've seen of Clemson throwing the ball downfield is no problem for Harper which means as long as GT or VT does not find some extremely massive weakness that everyone has overlooked a collapse down the stretch is very very unlikely.
SportyCock
09-28-2007, 06:04 PM
Oh I know its happened but it happened because they couldn't throw the ball downfield and teams finally figured it out. From what I've seen of Clemson throwing the ball downfield is no problem for Harper which means as long as GT or VT does not find some extremely massive weakness that everyone has overlooked a collapse down the stretch is very very unlikely.
Agreed, and I think it's more likely that Clemson would be undefeated coming to the WB than having lost 3-4 games already. It's the ACC for goodness sake! GT is a "test" after losing to Virgina. Vagina Tech is considered a likely loss, despite VT getting embarrassed by LSU. BC is a likely loss too, but both these games are at home for Clemmons. Other than that you have Wake and Maryland as decent teams and a tossup between Duke, Central Mich and OPEN for easiest week on the schedule.
If I were a Clemson fan, I'd be thinking ACC champs at a minimum and BCS bowl as a possibility. It just isn't the same as playing KT, Vandy, TN, FL and potentially LSU again in the SEC championship game.
If we played this week at the WB, Clemson would be favored by a few points. By the end of the season though I expect that coaching talent will play out, with Clemson finding a way to lose some it shouldn't and Carolina getting better by leaps and bounds offensively. By game time, we may still be the underdogs but I still think we'll find a way to win.:kill:
COCKROCK
09-28-2007, 06:30 PM
Agreed, and I think it's more likely that Clemson would be undefeated coming to the WB than having lost 3-4 games already. It's the ACC for goodness sake! :kill:
You would think so, but for some reason the taters are notorious for losing one or two that they should of won.
AmonRa777
09-28-2007, 06:36 PM
Oh I know its happened but it happened because they couldn't throw the ball downfield and teams finally figured it out. From what I've seen of Clemson throwing the ball downfield is no problem for Harper which means as long as GT or VT does not find some extremely massive weakness that everyone has overlooked a collapse down the stretch is very very unlikely.
WOW!!! You do a surprisingly good job of sticking to the tater talking points...They lost those games last because they played better teams...THEY GOT BEAT...Just like they will get beat 3 or 4 times this year....Often times how good you look has more to do with who you play than anything else...I know the ACC is a crappy conference...Clempsin is one of the reasons its a sorry conference...They are not a great football team by any criteria....
FinchMcCrunkNasty
09-28-2007, 06:40 PM
no way we are taking bowers or aj green away from their schools
ricky sapp is from his high school, and if you watch his interview on rivals he is a clempson kiss ass.
and with the amount of young, nasty, defensive ends (norwood, robertson, geathers, mathews) and the possibility of getting King i doubt he would come here.
hell he can run the ball too though, maybe we could use him at running back, ha!
gotrice?
09-28-2007, 06:51 PM
WOW!!! You do a surprisingly good job of sticking to the tater talking points...They lost those games last because they played better teams...THEY GOT BEAT...Just like they will get beat 3 or 4 times this year....Often times how good you look has more to do with who you play than anything else...I know the SEC is a crappy conference...Clempsin is one of the reasons its a sorry conference...They are not a great football team by any criteria....
Its looking at something without bias. Last year they had one of the worst QBs in the nation. This year Harper has proven he can throw the ball downfield which opens up their running game. The conference as a whole is weak however Clemson is a very very talented team. The teams they lost to last year made an adjustment last year to focus on taking out the running game after the VT loss and Bowden's lack of coaching ability in terms of not making adjustments to counter successfully. It was never due to a lack of talent. You can choose not to admit that if you want but its the truth Bowden is not a good gameday coach but is very good in at bringing in loads of talent. The conference as a whole does not have a bearing on the talent of one team in the conference. When I look at teams I try to look at them without bias and right now without bias Clemson looks like a beast of a team to have to contend with.
AmonRa777
09-28-2007, 06:59 PM
Its looking at something without bias. Last year they had one of the worst QBs in the nation. This year Harper has proven he can throw the ball downfield which opens up their running game. The conference as a whole is weak however Clemson is a very very talented team. The teams they lost to last year made an adjustment last year to focus on taking out the running game after the VT loss and Bowden's lack of coaching ability in terms of not making adjustments to counter successfully. It was never due to a lack of talent. You can choose not to admit that if you want but its the truth Bowden is not a good gameday coach but is very good in at bringing in loads of talent. The conference as a whole does not have a bearing on the talent of one team in the conference. When I look at teams I try to look at them without bias and right now without bias Clemson looks like a beast of a team to have to contend with.
tater puhleezee....The Cocks ripped them for 500 yards offense...Did Proctor play defense...We beat them 31-28, i don't think offense was theri issue....VaTech rushed for 300 yards and routed them by 30...UK went up and down the field and beta the in a high scoring affair...If Proctor was so bad and Cullie Hopper is so good why didn't they just play last year and win the BCS Championship...Dude you are not unbiased...You are deluded!!! Stop drinking the tater koolaid for goodness sakes...We'll see what Cullie Hopper does when GaTech hits him in the mouth tomorrow
longcock
09-28-2007, 07:04 PM
I don't think SOS would have invited this kid if he didn't think we had a shot. Remember the cold shoulder he gave GG last season after he committed. Let's be respectful of this kid, and at least consider the possibility that he could play for us.
gotrice?
09-28-2007, 07:09 PM
tater puhleezee....The Cocks ripped them for 500 yards offense...Did Proctor play defense...We beat them 31-28, i don't think offense was theri issue....VaTech rushed for 300 yards and routed them by 30...UK went up and down the field and beta the in a high scoring affair...If Proctor was so bad and Cullie Hopper is so good why didn't they just play last year and win the BCS Championship...Dude you are not unbiased...You are deluded!!! Stop drinking the tater koolaid for goodness sakes...We'll see what Cullie Hopper does when GaTech hits him in the mouth tomorrow
Don't ask me why Harper didn't play last year because I couldn't tell you. Maybe he needed another year to understand the playbook but I really don't know. Their defense got shredded late but it was a product of their offense not holding onto the ball for very long. Remember all 4 of their TDs against us were quick strikes. And I'm far from being a Clemson fan I'm just looking at things in an unbiased way. Its hard for a defense to stop teams when its on the field the entire game and thats what happened against us, VT, and UK. You can say what you want about them but you can't deny their talent.
Clempson's record, whatever it turns out to be, will not be too impressive because of the ever weak ACC.
If most HS kids are honest with themselves, it can't be nearly as fun playing football in that conference as compared to playing in the SEC. Never understood how some could turn down the chance to go play away games at places like the Swamp, the real Death Valley of LSU, UT, Bama, Auburn, etc, as compared to such venues they have at Duke or Wake, or NC State, Maryland, etc. To each their own, I guess.
Tammy will never be a popular coach, although he will always pull the wool over the eyes of a few youngsters in recruiting. Clempson would love to ditch him, given the slightest excuse. Probably are still kicking themselves for that fat contract extension after he went to talk to Bama a few years ago. Gullible, ain't they?
Hopefully, Bowers will have his eyes opened by the atmosphere at W-B. If he comes back for more visits, we'll know our chances to turn him toward us have really increased.
chiken
09-28-2007, 07:27 PM
There is a Santa Clause!!!!!!!!
FinchMcCrunkNasty
09-30-2007, 06:31 PM
Anyone know how the visit went. I think Tammy sent him down here as a spy personally. Maybe us winning and Clampson losing helps? Still think he is 100% Clampson though.
CoverTwo
09-30-2007, 07:08 PM
He didnt make the trip.
Rooster3233
09-30-2007, 07:18 PM
He didnt make the trip.
He didn't? Where did you hear that from? Thanks in advance.
johnmcclane
09-30-2007, 11:57 PM
but seriously...Clemson? What do they have to offer?
(rhetorical)
Dr. Cock
10-01-2007, 12:01 AM
but seriously...Clemson? What do they have to offer?
(rhetorical)
*Must resist urge to talk Smack...*
The best thing I can think of is Gaines Adams' NFL draft stock. He can rack up some good stats against bad competition and get a selected high for good money. And, I will certainly admit, Bowers has the talent to do that... IF he gets the proper coaching. Ricky Sapp hasn't played near up to his potential so far.
johnmcclane
10-01-2007, 12:22 AM
***i'm a recruit***
"Yeah mom, I think Clemson is where I want to go. I want to beat up on girls in the ACC and think my team is great, but when we play competition or a half-decent team, we can lose!
Man, I cannot wait to dissapoint our fanbase! You know what's even better? I probably won't ever live up to my potential! Isn't the coaching staff just awesome? I mean, I'm a physical freak of nature, but I won't be worth a darn because my coaches suck! Yay! And hopefully, I can try and transfer back to my homestate after I realize how big of a dissapointment the whole program is, and how good we are at underachieving, then my sleezy coach can beg me and buy me stuff until I change my mind!
Oh, I and love losing to the Gamecocks! I can't wait to be dominated until Steve Spurrier leaves!"
johnmcclane
10-01-2007, 12:25 AM
......and off to smack talk this thread goes......
gamecockfootball09
10-01-2007, 04:54 AM
He didn't? Where did you hear that from? Thanks in advance.
From Tony Morrell on Gamecockcentral.com
longcock
10-01-2007, 05:18 AM
Probably a good thing he didn't visit anyhow... between the lack of fan support and the fact that he's still a Tiger commitment.
I'm guessing, if our coaching staff wants to bring him in, they'll reschedule.
AmonRa777
10-01-2007, 09:17 AM
Bowers HS coach has been brainwashing him for Clempsin the past 3-4 years.....
big cock fan
10-01-2007, 12:31 PM
he needs to come in for the florida or kentucky game. Then he will see a real carolina crowd.
FeartheSpur
10-01-2007, 12:48 PM
let him go to taterville, he plays at Bamberg they play 1A football...I have not seen him but I know there competition now at the high school level and it would be like Southern Cal vs. a D 3 School
FeartheSpur
10-01-2007, 12:48 PM
that being said i would still like him to come to USC
smoovecock
10-01-2007, 12:49 PM
Bowers HS coach has been brainwashing him for Clempsin the past 3-4 years.....I am origanially from Bamberg and Bowers has like clempstank since he was very little but yea....Duncan the coach down there for some reason or the other has a thing about clempstank.....talk tho one of my old HS buddies last Tues night and stated this as fact...:thumbs:
TalkingHead
10-01-2007, 01:16 PM
let him go to taterville, he plays at Bamberg they play 1A football...I have not seen him but I know there competition now at the high school level and it would be like Southern Cal vs. a D 3 School
He plays at the same level as Blackville-Hilda where Isaacs came from and a much hiogher level than Gaines Adams played in high school and a thousand other small school guys who have played in the NFL.
smoovecock
10-01-2007, 01:30 PM
let him go to taterville, he plays at Bamberg they play 1A football...I have not seen him but I know there competition now at the high school level and it would be like Southern Cal vs. a D 3 SchoolWrong my friend...Bowers is for real....I hate it but he is outstanding....returns kickoffs...punts...QB...DE...and he carries the damn Gator Aide cooler to the sidelines before the games with one pinky......the Div they play in is the toughest in 1A ball and has a whooooooole bunch of Gamecocks tiggers ....and jawja dawgs come from down in there...
FeartheSpur
10-01-2007, 01:33 PM
Bamberg was a mediocre 2 a that moved down they used to win about 5 games at the 2 a level... they may be good at the A level but still their competition is not strong at all.
FeartheSpur
10-01-2007, 01:35 PM
He plays at the same level as Blackville-Hilda where Isaacs came from and a much hiogher level than Gaines Adams played in high school and a thousand other small school guys who have played in the NFL.
not knocking small schools..(2A) ...i went to one my self and was 43-1 when we were there but i have seen who they play and they are not good competion the starting guards are like 5 foot tall...
smoovecock
10-01-2007, 01:40 PM
Bamberg was a mediocre 2 a that moved down they used to win about 5 games at the 2 a level... they may be good at the A level but still their competition is not strong at all.Dude they have won 5 state championships.....played in at least 10 in the last 25 years....and in the playoffs every year except a few......in either Conf or level...Oh they also ownen 14 state baseball Championships...7 of those were in a row....good athletes in Bamberg...
FeartheSpur
10-01-2007, 01:43 PM
we used to beat them by 40/50 when i played there they were in our region you think i dont know about bamberg?? they have not been good lately until they moved down that is all i am saying...baseball not what it used to be...and all i was saying is the kids they are playing are not that good
FeartheSpur
10-01-2007, 01:44 PM
Dude they have won 5 state championships.....played in at least 10 in the last 25 years....and in the playoffs every year except a few......in either Conf or level...Oh they also ownen 14 state baseball Championships...7 of those were in a row....good athletes in Bamberg...
plus that school has been around forever so those #s are a little curved
smoovecock
10-01-2007, 01:47 PM
25 tears aint curved.......they usally have about 1 maybe 2 DIV1 players every 3 years....
TalkingHead
10-01-2007, 02:10 PM
Daquan Bowers is a stud and about 30 Division 1A teams would love to have him...including us.
smoovecock
10-01-2007, 02:12 PM
Daquan Bowers is a stud and about 30 Division 1A teams would love to have him...including us.LOOOOOOOOVE to have him......
gamecockfandrew
10-01-2007, 02:17 PM
not knocking small schools..(2A) ...i went to one my self and was 43-1 when we were there but i have seen who they play and they are not good competion the starting guards are like 5 foot tall...
I played with Gaines. We played eight man. Guards were sometimes under 180 pounds. I was 165 in high school and played some defensive end. Some teams had 10 players. It doesn't matter where you come from sometimes or the size of the school. It's the talent and heart.
Curt Geezus
10-02-2007, 08:27 PM
Because he is a great prospect....Whatever minute chance we have must be taken....Who knows how he will react when Tommy Bowden is fired in November...Lets just win some games and see what happens in February
Tommy is not going to be fired. Get over it.
SCGamecock90
10-02-2007, 08:30 PM
Tommy is not going to be fired. Get over it.
I would believe that if he was a good coach.
Gamecockfanatic4
10-02-2007, 08:49 PM
Tommy is not going to be fired. Get over it.
he will after y'all finish 7-6 again
gotrice?
10-02-2007, 09:25 PM
he will after y'all finish 7-6 again
If they finish 7-6 he would get fired because that would be a huge collapse after starting 4-0 but that would mean they would have to lose alot of games that they probably won't. Plus they didn't finish 7-6 last year they finished 8-5 like we did.
Dr. Cock
10-02-2007, 11:07 PM
Tommy is not going to be fired. Get over it.
Why? Not smack, btw. Just really curious... since most Clemson fans at least want Spence gone right now.
gotrice?
10-02-2007, 11:14 PM
Why? Not smack, btw. Just really curious... since most Clemson fans at least want Spence gone right now.
He won't get fired because Clemson is a better team than you give them credit for being. They will end this year with a minimum of 8 wins in my opinion and I think the only way he gets fired is 7 wins or less. Now Spence may be a different story if his offensive play calling is as bad as it was against GT a few more times. Still look at the schedule even with bad play calling they should win at least 4 more games. VT and BC are their last real tests in the ACC. Nothing against Maryland but they aren't that good.
Dr. Cock
10-02-2007, 11:38 PM
He won't get fired because Clemson is a better team than you give them credit for being. They will end this year with a minimum of 8 wins in my opinion and I think the only way he gets fired is 7 wins or less. Now Spence may be a different story if his offensive play calling is as bad as it was against GT a few more times. Still look at the schedule even with bad play calling they should win at least 4 more games. VT and BC are their last real tests in the ACC. Nothing against Maryland but they aren't that good.
But what about Wake? They only lost by 10 to a good BC team, and got screwed out of a win vs. Nebraska. Regardless of what one thinks of Clemson as a team (my opinion would get this thread moved to smack because it's fairly brutal), one must admit they have always been very emotionally frail under Bowden. I personally don't think they recover, but regardless of what anyone believe, the VT game will be a real telling sign on whether this team has the guts to actually do something this season... regardless of whether they win or lose.
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