Odom: "...we're not a team that can win at this level.."

[Forkcock]

Here are some quotes from yesterday's game. (Post & Courier)

http://www.charleston.net/news/2007/...o_clemso23889/ (http://www.charleston.net/news/2007/dec/02/south_carolina_no_match_clemsonno_clemso23889/)


"It was like they came out and punched us and we were like, 'Oh, man. We're in a fight,'" said South Carolina point guard Devan Downey. "It took us a whole half to match their intensity."
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"I think we're going to be a good basketball team," Odom said. "We're not now. We're a team that can compete but we're not a team that can win at this level."
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"We did expect to see a quicker team," said freshman point guard Demontez Stitt, who scored 13 points and went 9-of-10 on free throws. "At times it did seem like they weren't in it. ... They're not used to pressure defense. We knew they were going to bring their best shot. We thought they were going to come out with a lot more fire."
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Said Downey: "In the first half, we weren't ready to play. And it showed."
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I'm not happy.

[gamecock1125]

Odom's comments take the cake it also doesnt help when your team is makin a run and your coach gets a tech and gives the other team two points and the ball, strap yourselfs in its gonna be a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong year:thumbs:

[bhall]

Dave Odom. Dave friggin Odom.

[brat]

I know McGee was a short timer and just hired Dave to get the task taken care of, but I still cannot fathom how you look at someone who was already on a four year slide at his old school, was on his last year of his contract, and it wasn't going to be renewed.

Out of all the hires McGee ever made, that is the one I cannot forgive.

[bgallup]

Im sitting here is shock. I cant figure why in the hell a coach would say we cant win at this level?? We have plenty of talent Mr. Odom, always have. What does all that say!

[The Gamecock Outlaw]

we should have never gotten to the point where we are playing catch up to Clemson. They are head and shoulders above us in Basketball right now....not to mention football (maybe not head and shoulders there but they are above us). The only sport we are equal to or better than them at is baseball. This has become tiresome. We should be better than them for all the obvious reasons and not so obvious ones. I am ready for things to start changing and the only way they will do that is if we quit accepting being average and start demanding more from our coaches.

[USC Class of 1972]

Well, people could just stop buying tickets. Many already have. I doubt that Eric Hyman could ignore that for much longer. Of course, some will blast me for being a "bad" fan but, really, most fans have no influence on the AD other than through their wallets.

[Forkcock]

Well, people could just stop buying tickets. Many already have. I doubt that Eric Hyman could ignore that for much longer. Of course, some will blast me for being a "bad" fan but, really, most fans have no influence on the AD other than through their wallets.

I've already been labeled a "fairweather" fan by some on another thread. I've even been told that I'm worse than a Clemson fan. All because I expect our football team to be better than thinking that we "deserve" a bowl because we're 6-6, and because I think that our basketball team should be able to win at this level.

[firecock]

Not trying to support Dave but the technical was good in my opinion (other than giving up 2 points). Our guy shot a three and missed but the clemson blocker took our guy out of bounds and into the Carolina bench shoulder first. They broke away to comercial and when they came back mentioned Dave got the tech. I can only imagine that he was furious with one of the officials for not calling that. Terrible no call on that one. We sould have just returned the favor and put one of their guys into the bench.

[TheGuitarCock]

O RLY?

[mickeyrivers]

i'm sorry, but how much longer do we have to put up with this bull****?

i can't wait for sec play to start. did you see what vanderbilt did to georgia tech? have you seen tennessee?

[hardcock2]

This right here is THE reason I'm a Gonzaga fan this time of year and the rest of you just about are either UNC or Duke fans.

Odom is a JOKE!!...can I already suggest the guy from VCU!

[COCKDIESEL]

Go Get Zam from Calhoun County.

[gamecockfinatic2007]

this just seems to be the general concensus about carolina sports

[COCKDIESEL]

BTW when will we have the team that can play at that level. Year 10 or 15 maybe.

[cboom4250]

i agree that this is somewhat ridiculous.

but, here's my opinion on the team. we play street ball. just about every possession we throw up stupid shots. granted, we pass the ball some and SOMETIMES work the big men, but usually it is devan or zam driving in and taking a stupid circus shot. i'm tired of seeing it, and i think that this is what odom was trying to say. you can't run a street ball style offense against a set defense. it doesn't work. you'll get shut down everytime. we have a lot of talent on this squad. i didn't say team b/c we aren't a team. we have 5 guys playing 1-on-1 out there. if we play a game as a team and without a "i'm gonna make my guy look silly" style, we'll be fine. sometimes, that is needed for team morale or even to spark the crowd...but to do it every time down the court just makes me wonder what's going on at practice.

[Dietz]

"I think we're going to be a good basketball team," Odom said. "We're not now. We're a team that can compete but we're not a team that can win at this level."
WTF?

talk about talkin' outta both sides of your mouth

[ConwayGamecock]

I don't understand....what's wrong with Odom's statements? He's just saying that the team is not ready to play with the big boys NOW, but that he feels they will be. What's so different about these comments and Spurrier's comments about the football team? Why is no one calling for SOS's head for making similar comments? We need to quit trying so hard to give ourselves reasons to bash Odom and get a life.....


:thumbs:

[ConwayGamecock]

WTF?

talk about talkin' outta both sides of your mouth

there is a difference with a team being able to play with good teams, but not having the experience AS A UNIT to put games away when we are in position to. I have seen this happen quite often in football, so I know what I'm talking about, but I guess some of us here do not really follow team sports.......

[COCKDIESEL]

I don't understand....what's wrong with Odom's statements? He's just saying that the team is not ready to play with the big boys NOW, but that he feels they will be. What's so different about these comments and Spurrier's comments about the football team? Why is no one calling for SOS's head for making similar comments? We need to quit trying so hard to give ourselves reasons to bash Odom and get a life.....


:thumbs:
He's had the better part of a decade. And the Program is actually at a lower point than it was when he was hired. This season will say a lot about what kinda coach he is. They have a lot of talent, and another season finishing 5th or 6th in the East will show that he is not the answer. Now if he turns this season around then there might be hope afterall.

[mjmiller]

Odom's comments take the cake it also doesnt help when your team is makin a run and your coach gets a tech and gives the other team two points and the ball, strap yourselfs in its gonna be a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong year:thumbs:

I couldn't believe that either. We were trying to make a run, and then a tech on the head coach. WTF?

[USCMusicMan]

Guys, a lot of this team is young. They're gonna make mistakes.

"I think we're going to be a good basketball team," Odom said. "We're not now. We're a team that can compete but we're not a team that can win at this level."

I interpret this as 'we've got talent, but we do not have experience.' We've been playing some good teams. The games we won were from where we could outmatch the opponent on talent alone. I have a feeling this team is going to get better as the season progresses. We also need to give Devan D. a rest, he seems to get more sloppy the longer he is out there. Zam sure has come around and DD had a bad game. I think if we can atleast get one more player set to consistently play good (I elect Raley-Ross, Dwayne Day, or Dominique Archie), then we'll have a decent team. Personally, I think Dominique will be great if he can stop getting all the useless fouls.

I didn't watch the game yesterday, but I did see the scores from the halves. I find it great that, for most of this team, they played against Clemson's style of O and D, didn't do too great, and then the second half they learned from their mistakes and nearly came from behind and won. The next time they play a team like Clemson, they'll be able to play from the get-go.

[mjmiller]

We are not a team. The USC basketball team is 5 individuals running around throwing up shots. Until we learn to play as a team and for fod sakes play with some intensity, we will continue to be bad. Oh yeah, and if Odom cant turn this season around and finish strong, I think he is gone.

[ConwayGamecock]

He's had the better part of a decade. And the Program is actually at a lower point than it was when he was hired. This season will say a lot about what kinda coach he is. They have a lot of talent, and another season finishing 5th or 6th in the East will show that he is not the answer. Now if he turns this season around then there might be hope afterall.

You're not posting any secrets here, but what I'm referring to is the ignorant comments being posted above by people who are disregarding common sense just so they can get their cheap shots in on our basketball coach.

There's nothing wrong with Odom's comments. Anyone who thinks we have a veteran, seasoned team with a lot of experience as a unit on the court simply do not know anything about our team. If we DID, comments like Odom's above would justify these statements. Everyone is wanting our team to take off and be 28-0 and be a world beater. I think even then you'll find negative comments about Odom and our team, because some posters are just that pathetic. But there's nothing wrong with stating the VERY BLATANT obvious right now, and doing so doesn't deserve a thread bash like Odom is getting. That's all I'm saying.......

[Forkcock]

Guys, a lot of this team is young. They're gonna make mistakes.

"I think we're going to be a good basketball team," Odom said. "We're not now. We're a team that can compete but we're not a team that can win at this level."

I interpret this as 'we've got talent, but we do not have experience.' We've been playing some good teams. The games we won were from where we could outmatch the opponent on talent alone. I have a feeling this team is going to get better as the season progresses. We also need to give Devan D. a rest, he seems to get more sloppy the longer he is out there. Zam sure has come around and DD had a bad game. I think if we can atleast get one more player set to consistently play good (I elect Raley-Ross, Dwayne Day, or Dominique Archie), then we'll have a decent team. Personally, I think Dominique will be great if he can stop getting all the useless fouls.

I didn't watch the game yesterday, but I did see the scores from the halves. I find it great that, for most of this team, they played against Clemson's style of O and D, didn't do too great, and then the second half they learned from their mistakes and nearly came from behind and won. The next time they play a team like Clemson, they'll be able to play from the get-go.


So, we're young and we'll get em' next time.

I don't really have a problem with the loss yesterday. Even though Clemson was without their two best players, I thought that we would have to play perfect in order to win. I have a problem with the lack of effort in the 1st half followed up by DO's comments after the game. We were not ready to play in the 1st half. Our players even said so. What the hell is it going to take to get our players ready to play against our arch rival?

[TalkingHead]

What the hell is it going to take to get our players ready to play against our arch rival?

good coaching

[Cuck Flemson]

The first thing he needs to do is teach his team to Block out and quit giving the opposing teams 3-4-5-chances to score. It's sickening to watch the offensive rebounds that teams get against us.
This has been a problem for many years.

Oh yea, practicing your free throws wouldn't hurt either.

[Forkcock]

The first thing he needs to do is teach his team to Block out and quit giving the opposing teams 3-4-5-chances to score. It's sickening to watch the offensive rebounds that teams get against us.
This has been a problem for many years.

Oh yea, practicing your free throws wouldn't hurt either.


When I played ball, you kept a guy on your butt to box him out. We seem to just stand there, straight up, flat footed, with our hands in the air hoping that the ball will fall in it. I don't think that any of our guys are going to get floor burns going after a ball either.

[TalkingHead]

The first thing he needs to do is teach his team to Block out and quit giving the opposing teams 3-4-5-chances to score. It's sickening to watch the offensive rebounds that teams get against us.
This has been a problem for many years.

Oh yea, practicing your free throws wouldn't hurt either.

A buddy of mine and I were watching part of the game together and we were just amazed at how a tater would shoot from just inside the 3 point line, miss, get his own rebound without our guys being able to block out a guy from that far away, and then watch him make the follow up shot.

[TaterHater1984]

Great. It's only been 6 years. How much longer do we have to wait? I'm getting tired of this.

[garnet4ever]

all of these things we're talking about are part of the very basics of the game .. boxing out, rebounding, etc. etc. These guys have been playing ball long enough to know this ... don't give me they're young, you learn these when you first start playing ball ... why isn't it happening????

[CPAYNE]

This is true i thought this team was goin to be really good this year and dave was goin to prove y he is our coach but thats all changed now dave needs to go i mean nothin against him cause it not all his fault and devan downey is a good player but i live in Chester and when he was here he was nothin but a thug and ball hog so unless we get a new coach or better attitude with this team this season will be another long gamecock basketball season. "LETS GO BASEBALL SHOW US THAT WE CAN WIN IN ATLEAST ONE SPORT."

[Forkcock]

You guys may not like Bobby Knight but I always have and always will. Sure, he can be a jerk sometimes but he's a great coach. He preaches fundamentals, team play, and hustle. Someone would have to medicate coach Knight and put him in a straight jacket before he would be able to sit on our bench and watch us play.

[Spurred]

I could understand if he was at year 2 in his coaching tenure here .....cmon we should be competing every year by now.

[RudeCock]

"I think we're going to be a good basketball team," Odom said. "We're not now. We're a team that can compete but we're not a team that can win at this level."Well Dave, I guess it's time for you to step down. This is going on your 7th year of coaching us. This is your 6th year with the Colonial Center, and very nice looking a well built basketball facility, a big recruiting tool. Damn, I was ready to see what you can do with these new talented players you have, but this quote has me wanting you fired again. You are not a good coach, and your war chest sucks.:angrycoc:

[RudeCock]

I don't understand....what's wrong with Odom's statements? He's just saying that the team is not ready to play with the big boys NOW, but that he feels they will be. What's so different about these comments and Spurrier's comments about the football team? Why is no one calling for SOS's head for making similar comments? We need to quit trying so hard to give ourselves reasons to bash Odom and get a life.....


:thumbs:Because Spurrier is in his 3rd year and Odom is starting in his 7th, has a top notch basketball facility and can't recruit the several good players that come out of this state.

[dbcocksfan550]

Hey dave, heres a quote for you"..your not a coach that can win at this level.." -me

[Click]

Well Dave, I guess it's time for you to step down. This is going on your 7th year of coaching us. This is your 6th year with the Colonial Center, and very nice looking a well built basketball facility, a big recruiting tool. Damn, I was ready to see what you can do with these new talented players you have, but this quote has me wanting you fired again. You are not a good coach, and your war chest sucks.:angrycoc:

I think Dave was talking about how the team is playing right now, not how the program is overall and how the rest of the season will be.

[ConwayGamecock]

Because Spurrier is in his 3rd year and Odom is starting in his 7th, has a top notch basketball facility and can't recruit the several good players that come out of this state.
well, this doesn't make any sense. This is what I mean by people just wanting to get their cheap shots in, for no real reason. They don't care if what they say have anything to do with relevancy or what: they just want to bash.

What about the other posters in this thread that are saying we have great talent, and have one of the better talented teams that Odom's had here? Those statements and your statement above make no sense, next to each other. And Odom's players haven't been here the whole 7 years he's had. Whether Odom's been here for 7 years or for 27 years, the players he has NOW are inexperienced and have little playing time as a team, and as a starting unit. He's got leaders that are leading for the first time.

I see teams like the defending NC Florida Gators, who are bringing an entirely new team. They're 7-1, but have played against teams like North Dakota St., Tennessee Tech, UNC Central, Rutgers, N. Fla., Stetson and Vermont. Who the hell are those teams?? The only team that I recognize that they've played if FSU, and that's the team they lost to.

The Gamecocks have already played SoCal, Penn St., NC St., George Mason and Clemson. SoCal, NCST, and Clemson are ranked teams. George Mason is getting votes. I think we still need to see how this young team gels together more before shoveling dirt onto Odom's casket. If we aren't playing better as the SEC schedule starts in early Jan., then IMO we can start criticizing......

[mickeyrivers]

I don't understand....what's wrong with Odom's statements? He's just saying that the team is not ready to play with the big boys NOW, but that he feels they will be. What's so different about these comments and Spurrier's comments about the football team? Why is no one calling for SOS's head for making similar comments? We need to quit trying so hard to give ourselves reasons to bash Odom and get a life.....
:thumbs:

maybe because odom's been here for 7 years and has yet to have a winning season in conference?

[usc89]

You're absolutely right! I watched that game yesterday and couldn't believe it. Clemson's shooting in the first half was one of those things that happens, but in the second half, we were a team without a coach. Plain and simple. The talent is here, but when we really needed the press, we only gave token pressure. Downey still made a number of steals, but that was personal effort, not coaching.

What WAS apparent was that our team CONTINUES to not practice FREE THROW shooting! When you shoot in the 30% range from the line, you're not going to win many games. Put simply, that SUCKS!

Finally, one note to Mr. Downey--when you're on the break, take the ball to the basket and when the defender gets on you, give him a head fake and go straight up to the basket. Last night, you went up with your back to the basket---even the Harlem Globetrotters couldn't make that shot! I do give you all the credit in the world for your effort, but give yourself a chance!

I LOVE my Gamecocks, but DAMMIT, something's gotta give. Would SOMEBODY please give Zam, Sr. a call. HE wouldn't let things like losing to Clemson, etc. happen!

GO COCKS! Now and always, NO MATTER WHAT!

[evilpoptart]

Downy needs to quit trying to force so many shots. Its something hes been doing all year.

[bgallup]

Downy needs to quit trying to force so many shots. Its something hes been doing all year.

What else is he going to do. There is know offense whatsoever. They stand around with there thumb up there ass. Downey and Freddrick have to drive and shoot. They have no choice

[usc89]

I've always been one of Coach O's supporters, but after last night, I'm not so sure. The reason I say this is because our team looked like a bunch of freelancers with no coach or defined style. We didn't run set plays to get folks like Zam open for jumpers, didn't convert from the free-throw line, and when we were behind and needed to pressure every foot of the court, we gave only token pressure. Then, out of the blue, Coach O gets a T--I'm not against T's in the right situation, but in that one, it took us from 11 to 13 behind if I'm right, and helped snuff out our run.

Oh, and when it comes to these coaches and Carolina, they all should be lucky I'm not the AD. I'd tell 'em all to win more than they lose and BEAT Clemson---if not, they're FIRED. Georgia Tech just fired Galey for not beating Georgia, and the list goes on and on.

I'm so tired of "coachspeak" that I can't see straight. These overpaid hucksters will tell us that our facilities suck, we don't have financial backing, etc. HOGWASH! I've seen our facilities and they're as nice as anyone's. BTW, if a kid comes to a school for ANY reason other than 1) an excellent education and 2) teams that win and are supported, then he should GO ELSEWHERE.

Likewise, coaches who don't LOVE CAROLINA and understand how WE alumni feel should also not let the door hit them in the rear as they leave.

GO COCKS!

[hardcock2]

^AMEN...bro!!



I don't understand....what's wrong with Odom's statements? He's just saying that the team is not ready to play with the big boys NOW, but that he feels they will be. What's so different about these comments and Spurrier's comments about the football team? Why is no one calling for SOS's head for making similar comments? We need to quit trying so hard to give ourselves reasons to bash Odom and get a life.....


:thumbs:

I see your point exactly....but Odom is NOT in his 3rd year either.

[bcgibson75]

As a former player/coach--here's the problems with this team, some of are fundamental, some player/coaching:

1. Block out---doesn't get much more simple than that. You don't block out on D, you go sit on the bench. Shot goes up, you find your man, and put a body on him.

2. Players that score 20-25 points a game, but give up 20-25 points game on defense, don't deserve playing time. I don't care what your daddy did at this school---give the same effort/intensity on the defensive end as you do getting open & creating your shot on offense. Jordan won MVP's and Defensive Player of the Year during the same seasons---learn from that lesson.

3. Post players - While Muldrow/Holmes may develop their post game, we have had NO post players who can post up, get an entry pass, make a drop step move, and score. This was Carlos Powell's bread & butter---his game from 10 feet and in around the rim.
Look at Trevor Booker's game up at Clemson. That kid has a few post moves, but plays like his life depended on it when he gets around the basket---rebounding/scoring.

4. Strength coach - Need a new one. While Holmes is physcially ready, our players do not play "strong". Look at our players, Archie, Day, Brandon Wallace. They look long & lean, with no muscle mass. You need to have at least ONE physcially dominating player on the floor who can get through screens or anchor the post position. Carolina has not had one under Coach Odom.

[Singaporecock]

Note to AD...didnt we get rid of one coach for basically saying it wasnt realistic to think we should be in the NCAA every year. What odom says here really isnt that different is it??? I realize its a different AD, but still...and this isnt the first time mr. NIT has said something like this. Things that make you go hmmmmm....(yes...I dated myself with that reference)

[gettcocky]

I have been patient with Odom for a long time, and I will hold final judgement til seasons end..but I've about had it with Dave. He is a good man, good ambassador for the University, but that can only go so far. Outside of the 03-04 season, when we started 18-3 or so against a schedule loaded with cupcakes, our regular seasons have been the picture of mediocraty. Only NIT runs in 02,05 and 06, and this past recruiting season have kept him here this long. Dave Odom is good enough not to be fired, and not good enough to take this program to the next level. And for the love of pete, look at the centers and big men he has recruited..Paulius Joneliunas, Ousman Konate, Keving Palacious, John Chappel, Mitchell Carter..all fine young men and good basketball players..but not at this level..Joneluinas was a 5 point scorer for American University last year..why did DO believe he was SEC callibur??..and Konate is playing for Shaw University last I heard?? This program, even with the new blood, seems even more stagnant as it was last year if that is possible. I will take all this back if DO leads us to the NCAA, but at 4-4..with several tough pre-SEC schedule games coming up..even with a winning SEC record, which is a stretch since we have YET to have one under DO, it is a longshot this year. Warchest of Credibility or not, it is NCAA or bust this year, and if Eric Hyman does not get rid of DO, they both should hit the dusty trail!

[FinchMcCrunkNasty]

we don't have a coach that can compete at this level, out team is just fine

[roosterrizk1]

To have a winner we need new facilities ... wait a minute ... wrong sport ...

[jellafever]

IMO it is time to start looking for a new coach. Im not going to say anything bad about Dave Odom, but he is just not getting the job done. We won 2 consecutive NIT titles and the next season when everyone was saying we would make the NCAA tourney we couldnt even get into the NIT. This year hasnt started any better. Time for a new coach.

[uscnoklahoma]

After looking at the schedule and crunching the numbers...11 wins is realistic and the media nailed us as last place..especially in the East. No way we finish above last in the East. If we do then DO will have pulled some kind of miracle out of his you know what.

[uscnoklahoma]

As a former player/coach--here's the problems with this team, some of are fundamental, some player/coaching:

1. Block out---doesn't get much more simple than that. You don't block out on D, you go sit on the bench. Shot goes up, you find your man, and put a body on him.

2. Players that score 20-25 points a game, but give up 20-25 points game on defense, don't deserve playing time. I don't care what your daddy did at this school---give the same effort/intensity on the defensive end as you do getting open & creating your shot on offense. Jordan won MVP's and Defensive Player of the Year during the same seasons---learn from that lesson.

3. Post players - While Muldrow/Holmes may develop their post game, we have had NO post players who can post up, get an entry pass, make a drop step move, and score. This was Carlos Powell's bread & butter---his game from 10 feet and in around the rim.
Look at Trevor Booker's game up at Clemson. That kid has a few post moves, but plays like his life depended on it when he gets around the basket---rebounding/scoring.

4. Strength coach - Need a new one. While Holmes is physcially ready, our players do not play "strong". Look at our players, Archie, Day, Brandon Wallace. They look long & lean, with no muscle mass. You need to have at least ONE physcially dominating player on the floor who can get through screens or anchor the post position. Carolina has not had one under Coach Odom.

:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:

[uscnoklahoma]

I don't understand....what's wrong with Odom's statements? He's just saying that the team is not ready to play with the big boys NOW, but that he feels they will be. What's so different about these comments and Spurrier's comments about the football team? Why is no one calling for SOS's head for making similar comments? We need to quit trying so hard to give ourselves reasons to bash Odom and get a life.....


:thumbs:

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

If Spurrier were in his 7th year and we had not improved since 2006 then hell yeah...he should be fired. Can you not see the difference? Seriously? DO cannot DO the job.

[roosterrizk1]

Damn Okie I have to agree with you for once..... I'll cut through the chase and say it ..... Dave Odom is washed up..... Can't blame it on facilities and the youth is all his fault which goes back to his lack of recruiting ....

[gAmkok]

This past Spring about half the posters in Fowl Shots said this is the team that will show how good a coach Odom is, pinning a whole lot of hopes and expectations on the transfers. So far, I'd have to say they haven't helped his credibility (warchest or not). I hope once the conference schedule starts things turn around but I just don't know. We can blow out the cupcakes, but can't beat teams on our supposed level? Something about that doesn't seem right. Maybe we should petition the NCAA to drop down a level since our coach admits we can't win at this one. Experience or not, a D1 coach SHOULD have a team that he feels CAN win at their level whether they do or not. Ours apparently doesn't have that. Facilities aren't the problem like they supposedly were 7 or 8 so years ago. I guess maybe the buildings might not be THAT important after all (and they won't be for football either).

The AD needs to take a lesson from the American auto makers in the 80's and realize that arrogantly overcharging for inferiority with no clear commitment to improvement can backfire in the end, even years later if improvements are eventually made - the car companies still haven't recovered.

[mickeyrivers]

Damn Okie I have to agree with you for once..... I'll cut through the chase and say it ..... Dave Odom is washed up..... Can't blame it on facilities and the youth is all his fault which goes back to his lack of recruiting ....
i never got the facilities argument to begin with. our bball facilities are on par with the rest of the league... and probably better than a lot of schools in the sec.

[The Yancey]

I'll support the coaches and the players for the rest of the season. I reserve the right to revisit that support at season's end.

[roosterrizk1]

Being sarcastic. Some people think charging more $$$ for dues and building new facilities is the answer to all our problems !!

[garnet4ever]

As a former player/coach--here's the problems with this team, some of are fundamental, some player/coaching:

1. Block out---doesn't get much more simple than that. You don't block out on D, you go sit on the bench. Shot goes up, you find your man, and put a body on him.

2. Players that score 20-25 points a game, but give up 20-25 points game on defense, don't deserve playing time. I don't care what your daddy did at this school---give the same effort/intensity on the defensive end as you do getting open & creating your shot on offense. Jordan won MVP's and Defensive Player of the Year during the same seasons---learn from that lesson.

3. Post players - While Muldrow/Holmes may develop their post game, we have had NO post players who can post up, get an entry pass, make a drop step move, and score. This was Carlos Powell's bread & butter---his game from 10 feet and in around the rim.
Look at Trevor Booker's game up at Clemson. That kid has a few post moves, but plays like his life depended on it when he gets around the basket---rebounding/scoring.

4. Strength coach - Need a new one. While Holmes is physcially ready, our players do not play "strong". Look at our players, Archie, Day, Brandon Wallace. They look long & lean, with no muscle mass. You need to have at least ONE physcially dominating player on the floor who can get through screens or anchor the post position. Carolina has not had one under Coach Odom.

good post ... I totally agree ...

[gAmkok]

Being sarcastic. Some people think charging more $$$ for dues and building new facilities is the answer to all our problems !!

But then what will those people think when it turns out not to be true?

[uscgamecocks09]

Dave Odom in Basketball = Tommy Bowden in Football

[GapoGamecock51]

This right here is THE reason I'm a Gonzaga fan this time of year and the rest of you just about are either UNC or Duke fans.

Odom is a JOKE!!...can I already suggest the guy from VCU!


While I am a Duke(Basketball) Fan, Im a Carolina fan first and foremost and that personally will never change.


Gapo

[Singaporecock]

Dave Odom in Basketball = Tommy Bowden in Football
I would love to have a basketball coach that wins as much as Tommy does in football!!! Hell...I'm not even talking winning percentage...I'm talking total number of conference wins...:rotfl:

[Cockhornleghorn]

How can you not be ready to play as hard as you possibly can against your arch rivals? I was livid while watching the game yesterday as we gave up layup after layup and open three after open three. Dave needs to sit down any player not giving their all out on the court. I don't believe in calling out players, but there is one in particular that has not given much effort in his entire time as a Gamecock. I think Downey and Fredrick are playing hard.

[Forkcock]

Dave Odom in Basketball = Tommy Bowden in Football

Not really. Bowden beats his rival almost every year.

[JRob]

Now that Odom has said what has gotten a number of us labeled "haters" we can just sit back and watch his swan song play out.

[Cockfucius]

[quote=brat]I know McGee was a short timer and just hired Dave to get the task taken care of, but I still cannot fathom how you look at someone who was already on a four year slide at his old school, was on his last year of his contract, and it wasn't going to be renewed.

McGee a short-timer? what do you mean? No smack, just asking...

[brat]

"Short timer' meaning he knew he wasn't going to be AD too much longer and would be gone before DO succeeded or needed to be replaced. So, he hired a coach after a few "big" coaches backed away, then washed his hands.

[evilpoptart]

Dave Odom in Basketball = Tommy Bowden in Football

Thats not fair to Tommy Bowden. At least he has a winning conference record and his team isnt picked to finish LAST.

[Go Cocks]

Seems to me the only ones are here that consider this a rivalry are the fans. The coaches and players in both basketball and football just consider this another game. Clemson seems to consider it a rivalry which shows when the games starts. They come out fighting! Where's our passion to win?
:mad:

[Dr. Cock]

He's similiar to Tommy Bowden in the aspect that he'll be ready to pack it up and leave, then he'll pull a "miracle" at the end of the season (NIT runs) that keep his job.

Unfortunately for Odom, those runs haven't amounted to anything. It's just hard to get excited about Gamecock Basketball... I find more entertainment in recruiting. It's time to bring in a young coach to put some energy into this program, and with some of the young talent we have (Downey, Fredrick), he could come in and develop a solid team right away.

Let me also state I'm not bashing Odom in anyway. He's a great guy and he's had my support for a while. But I think it's time for his tenture at the University of South Carolina to come to a close unless he gets us to the Sweet 16 or better.

[usc89]

Agreed. We need a Carolina graduate who REALLY loves USC. IMO, we should call Zam, Sr. NOW!

[hardcock2]

While I am a Duke(Basketball) Fan, Im a Carolina fan first and foremost and that personally will never change.


Gapo

I understand Gapo, I am completely Carolina first with everything as well, but this sh!t gets old....and hard to follow when there are signs of NO improvement from the coaching staff.

...and as said before, and I mentioned last season...WE NEED A NEW STRENGTH COACH NOW!!!!



Seems to me the only ones are here that consider this a rivalry are the fans. The coaches and players in both basketball and football just consider this another game. Clemson seems to consider it a rivalry which shows when the games starts. They come out fighting! Where's our passion to win?
:mad:

Evidently there is none!!!

[ILiveInTheRoost]

Oh yea, practicing your free throws wouldn't hurt either.


What makes you think we don't? We are pretty much in the middle of the SEC in free throw shooting (ahead of Alabama, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Auburn and Georgia...behind Vandy, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Florida and Arkansas).


...............I love posts like this. I'm sure the problem is that our team doesn't practice free throws. Great idea.


This is BY FAR the most ignorant message board on the internet.

[ILiveInTheRoost]

I don't understand....what's wrong with Odom's statements? He's just saying that the team is not ready to play with the big boys NOW, but that he feels they will be. What's so different about these comments and Spurrier's comments about the football team? Why is no one calling for SOS's head for making similar comments? We need to quit trying so hard to give ourselves reasons to bash Odom and get a life.....


:thumbs:


This post makes way too much sense. You won't make it much longer here with stuff like this.

He wasn't saying we won't compete this year. He is saying at this point in the season, we aren't good enough to win games against teams like Clemson (ranked). We will improve quickly during the course of the season.

[Wazir]

I've never been a fan of Odom. I thought it was a poor hire from the get go. He's never produced and unfortunately he never will. His statements and our play only bodes worse. If one can imagine that.

Hyman giving him an extension is the worst thing that happened. I know he's a good man etc. But he sure can't coach worth two cents.

[ucock]

like downey said i dont want to hear we are young. that is the most overrated statement in basketball. u get open u shoot it aint like football where u got to read defenses. im tired of this circus . we playin our rivals and we cant get motivted. give me a break.

[Cuck Flemson]

What makes you think we don't? We are pretty much in the middle of the SEC in free throw shooting (ahead of Alabama, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Auburn and Georgia...behind Vandy, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Florida and Arkansas).


...............I love posts like this. I'm sure the problem is that our team doesn't practice free throws. Great idea.


This is BY FAR the most ignorant message board on the internet.

We can't block out and we are shooting a team 66% from the stripe. Is that great in your opinion?


If this message board is so ignorant then don't come back we wont miss you.

[COCKROCK]

This is Odom's seventh year, we are picked to finish last in the east and our two brightest spots on the team are transfers..... It's hard to get excited about the program.

What was Odom's plan had Zam and Devan not decided to transfer to USC?

[Forkcock]

This is Odom's seventh year, we are picked to finish last in the east and our two brightest spots on the team are transfers..... It's hard to get excited about the program.

What was Odom's plan had Zam and Devan not decided to transfer to USC?

I'm not sure that Odom had a plan to begin with.

[gococks3111]

I understand Gapo, I am completely Carolina first with everything as well, but this sh!t gets old....and hard to follow when there are signs of NO improvement from the coaching staff.

...and as said before, and I mentioned last season...WE NEED A NEW STRENGTH COACH NOW!!!!





Evidently there is none!!!


what is wrong with the strength coach?

[evilpoptart]

our boys are skinny and they get pushed around inside the key.

[Spur]

If this message board is so ignorant then don't come back we wont miss you.
Good grief, Amen....do us a favor

[eklypised]

our boys are skinny and they get pushed around inside the key.

yep

[Cockhornleghorn]

Didn't our strength coach just get named the USC coach of the year?

[Order 66]

Hyman had his chance to make his first big hire, and give that coach a very talented team. He should be punched in the face for his "war chest of credibility" comment.

[NastyNash]

we should have never gotten to the point where we are playing catch up to Clemson. They are head and shoulders above us in Basketball right now....not to mention football (maybe not head and shoulders there but they are above us). The only sport we are equal to or better than them at is baseball. This has become tiresome. We should be better than them for all the obvious reasons and not so obvious ones. I am ready for things to start changing and the only way they will do that is if we quit accepting being average and start demanding more from our coaches.


is there anyway we can get you to talk to the AD and tell him that

[mickeyrivers]

our boys are skinny and they get pushed around inside the key.
that's because we have to put freshman and wings under there against quality sec big men. i don't think a strength coach is going to fix that.

[jstrom]

Not trying to support Dave but the technical was good in my opinion (other than giving up 2 points). Our guy shot a three and missed but the clemson blocker took our guy out of bounds and into the Carolina bench shoulder first. They broke away to comercial and when they came back mentioned Dave got the tech. I can only imagine that he was furious with one of the officials for not calling that. Terrible no call on that one. We sould have just returned the favor and put one of their guys into the bench.

I agree with you...only I thought it could have come a lot sooner. Anyone thinking clearly and who understands the tool that technicals are and can be, should understand that we were getting hammered down low without any calls...EVER, and we weren't catching up score wise. THEY had possession and two points (not guaranteed points either) wouldn't make a difference in the long run. The possible benefits are enormous though. It was a good call by a very cerebral coach.

[jstrom]

Hyman had his chance to make his first big hire, and give that coach a very talented team. He should be punched in the face for his "war chest of credibility" comment.

You should be careful with the "punch in the face" comments. Easy to say behind a computer, but this is a small state, and you never know who you'll run into in the fairgrounds....speaking from experience!

[bgallup]

Something will change after this year with basketball. With the way they are playing right now we wont put 8k people in the stands for home games. We have to nice of a arena to let that happen. We should be filling the place night after night.

[jstrom]

Something will change after this year with basketball. With the way they are playing right now we wont put 8k people in the stands for home games. We have to nice of a arena to let that happen. We should be filling the place night after night.

It's been a long time since we filled an arena...and didn't always fill it when we had McKie and Watson.

[hardcock2]

what is wrong with the strength coach?
Other than we don't have ANY muscle or physical players....I don't know.



that's because we have to put freshman and wings under there against quality sec big men. i don't think a strength coach is going to fix that.
Please explain Brandon Wallace then. With his frame, he should have added 30+ lbs. of muscle. Did he gain 10 lbs. period while he was here?




Didn't our strength coach just get named the USC coach of the year?

Maybe our baseball team's strength coach.

[sc455]

Post clemson PC...Spurrier said "if we could have made a couple first downs at the end offensively we could have stayed on the field, but we just arent good enough to do it." Sounds eerily similiar to DO

[COCKROCK]

Post clemson PC...Spurrier said "if we could have made a couple first downs at the end offensively we could have stayed on the field, but we just arent good enough to do it." Sounds eerily similiar to DO

If SOS had made those comments during his 7th season as our head football coach then I would be just as disturbed.

[Sides]

It's been a long time since we filled an arena...and didn't always fill it when we had McKie and Watson.

Different arenas.

[bgallup]

There is a way to fill that arena every night!!! Dont tell me it couldnt be done either. When McKie, Watson and Davis wont the SEC they packed the house!!

[sc455]

If SOS had made those comments during his 7th season as our head football coach then I would be just as disturbed.yeah, me too.

[jstrom]

Why is everyone trying to make this out to be something completely out of the context it was meant? DOdom was being realistic and honest regarding the PLAY of the team right now. He is still very optimistic about this team and where they are headed. He's disappointed in their play right now and that is the basis and summation of that part of his statement. Also I do believe SOS has constently said harsh things about even HIS players, but we're so much more ready to accept his evaluation as honest and motivational in intent.