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Wedge Antilles
12-02-2007, 04:30 PM
Okay before we get going on this I will say I am an ardent Odom supporter. I do believe our program is better off now then when he got here, we lacked serious talent and there was serious lethargy toward our program before Fogler left from the fan base and athletic department and now there at least seems to be some life aroudn the program even if it is int he negative in wanting to get rid of Odom and see are program make a steady rise. So I am saying even if he didnt mean to, Odom has galvenized the fan base.

All that being said I agree that if we finish below .500 with another abysmal SEC record firing him would not be without cause. I, however, have agreed with keeping him this season. You can argue over the NIT's and all that but it did bring us some national recognition playing on Nationla TV that much as well as beating quality teams and playing in the Garden helped increase our fan base. Also showing some continuity in the program is helpful rather than just firing a coach and bringing in someone new all the time.

Now I am clearl not happy with how things have turned out this season, we should have won those two games in Disney and should have showed more heart and desire yesterday, not because it was our rival (I am not big into all that rivalry crap) but because it was a quality opponent on the road and a game that could have helped our confidence.

But the question I have is what does firing Dave Odom right now do? How many times do you fire a college hoops coach during the season? Who would you replace him with immediately, one of his assitants? Well how would that be much different? So again I ask can we talk about the things relative to the current game rather than all play Eric Hyman on the internet. Can't we wait until seasons ends to evaluate that and then play Eric Hyman.

Lastly, obviously some of it has to fall on the shoulders of the coach but there were plenty of mistakes that fall directly ont he players and I am unsure what the coach can do about it. Here are some examples from last nights game:

David Potter takes the ball from the wing drives it right in the middle of the lane on Evka "O'lay" Baniulis, he shoots (no contest by Evka) then the ball hits the back rim and comes straight back toward them, Potter simply runs around Evka and grabs the rebound and puts it back in. That whole play is Evka's fault has nothing to do with coaching

Later in the first half Evka was guarding a dead eye 3 pt shooter, Oglesby, when Oglesby goes off of a flare screen, which Dave Odom and his staff teach player to go over the top of the screen and force the guy wide. What does Evka do, he goes under the screen and gets caught and Oglesby hits the three, a player again not executing what he has been properly taught to do.

Rebound comes off and the big guys are tipping it around, the ball rolls toward SC's bench, Zam stands there and watches the ball as his man runs from 10 feet behind him and grabs the loose bal right in front of Zam and Zam fouls him. Again, not a coaching problem, a lack of effort problem, a lack of wanting it bad enough problem. By the way that was one of the ZERO rebounds Zam got in 36 minutes of play.

Ona ballscreen one time our big guys are supposed to switch there men, but Mike Holmes runs with his man and Sam runs back to Mikes man also and the fire the ball under the basket and Booker dunks it. Much like the first play of the second half, where Muldrow wasnt guarding anyone as Sykes walks int he lane and dunks the ball.

That is all on the players shoulders, sorry I just can't blame the coach for that lack of execution and desire.

roosterrizk1
12-02-2007, 09:50 PM
Excuses have gotten old .... he just can't get it done .... he needs to move on ....

COCKDIESEL
12-02-2007, 10:02 PM
David Potter takes the ball from the wing drives it right in the middle of the lane on Evka "O'lay" Baniulis, he shoots (no contest by Evka) then the ball hits the back rim and comes straight back toward them, Potter simply runs around Evka and grabs the rebound and puts it back in. That whole play is Evka's fault has nothing to do with coaching

Teach him to block out the shooter. Coaching mistake.

Later in the first half Evka was guarding a dead eye 3 pt shooter, Oglesby, when Oglesby goes off of a flare screen, which Dave Odom and his staff teach player to go over the top of the screen and force the guy wide. What does Evka do, he goes under the screen and gets caught and Oglesby hits the three, a player again not executing what he has been properly taught to do.

Obviously he hasn't taught them enough to make it automatic, that is a play you don't think about you just react. To get the reaction you want you have to practice it alot.

Rebound comes off and the big guys are tipping it around, the ball rolls toward SC's bench, Zam stands there and watches the ball as his man runs from 10 feet behind him and grabs the loose bal right in front of Zam and Zam fouls him. Again, not a coaching problem, a lack of effort problem, a lack of wanting it bad enough problem. By the way that was one of the ZERO rebounds Zam got in 36 minutes of play.

A good coach will bench their stars for lack of effort.

Ona ballscreen one time our big guys are supposed to switch there men, but Mike Holmes runs with his man and Sam runs back to Mikes man also and the fire the ball under the basket and Booker dunks it. Much like the first play of the second half, where Muldrow wasnt guarding anyone as Sykes walks int he lane and dunks the ball.

Apparently they aren't taught this in practice. I know what to do, you know what to do but our players don't, who do you think is to blame.



I don't think he should be fired mid season, but with all the talent on this team I'm not sure they will be as good as the fightin tre kelleys of last year.

Bleedin'Garnet
12-02-2007, 10:32 PM
I keep hearing that Odom is a great x's and o's coach, and a great ambassador for the university. While all this may be true, and these are great qualities, I desire so much more for the program competitively.

gAmkok
12-02-2007, 11:29 PM
How is it possible that a reasonable person and fan lists problem after problem and lays 100% of the blame on the players and 0% on the players' coach? This concept really is unfathomable to me. I'm not flaming you, Wedge - you seem like that reasonable person I mentioned. I just don't understand. I know these guys have played basketball most of their lives, but each successive coach is supposed to be a teacher to them - teaching them how to play at a higher level than the one before. Our teams don't seem to be learning - maybe they're not being taught or maybe they just can't comprehend their teacher. Either way, you really can't blame the player when it's the coach who asks him to come and learn from him.

That being said, I don't want to change coaches during a season - that's too stressful on the players and the new coach (although it'd be a good way to maybe keep the higher level talent from transferring and let the new coach evaluate what's already in place).

Wedge Antilles
12-03-2007, 12:13 AM
Teach him to block out the shooter. Coaching mistake.



Obviously he hasn't taught them enough to make it automatic, that is a play you don't think about you just react. To get the reaction you want you have to practice it alot.



A good coach will bench their stars for lack of effort.



Apparently they aren't taught this in practice. I know what to do, you know what to do but our players don't, who do you think is to blame.



I don't think he should be fired mid season, but with all the talent on this team I'm not sure they will be as good as the fightin tre kelleys of last year.


Evka knows to block the guy out, that isnt rocket science, the play was a lack of effort on Evka's part and subsoquently why he was taken out and why he doesnt play more. As for getting caught on the screen again if you watch all the players who do give effort and seem to care they excute the thigns like going over the top of the flare screen, the guys who are lazy and want the easy way out like Chad, Evka, Brandis, and Dwayne dont follow the game plan and that is part of the problem. You can only give them the plan, they at some point have to execute it, Dave can't go out there and drag Evka over the top at some point it is up to Evka.

As fo benching your "stars" yeah I guess you could do that in certain cases, but if you had benched Zam for lack of defensive effort yesterday you would have lost by 30. Also, he did bench a guy liek that all the time back a few years ago named Renaldo Balkman, and still to this day he is getting creamed for doing that. So he is damned if he does damned if he doesn't.

uscnoklahoma
12-03-2007, 12:28 AM
Here is all you guys need to know...over the last 7 years there has been one constant in our program....I will give you a hint...it ain't the players...it's that damn Colonial Center. Just Kidding....most of us recognize the problem