Offense Evolution

[SNEEZ]

The way CFB is changing to a dual-threat QB like White, Dixon, and then you have a phenom like Tebow who isn't a runner, the boy is a damn fast Tight End. Spurrier began it with the Fun-N-Gun from the old SEC run the ball and play D, the Spread is changing football to getting a fast, strong good QB and misdirection.

What will be the next wrinkle that blows commentators minds?

I think offenses are set for a few years. There will be a phenom in the defensive department that makes offensive coord crazy, complete misdirection on D will be what changed CFB next, what do you think

[TalkingHead]

I agree 100% We are in the early stages of a changing of college football just like we saw in the early '90s to more running. Defenses will take a while to catch up to it and then offenses will change again.

[smoovecock]

think so...but I have noticed that good defenses can stop these new offenses that run a spread type package with a good defensive package that is kinda geared to stopping the option....ie ole defenses that could stop the option....these spread attacks out now to me have alot of gadget stuff in them and when the new players start learning not to bite on the smoke and mirrows and play it like an option then it will be stopped and then the offensive cords. will move on to the next big thing...

[Ga_Gamecock]

Auburn D stifled Tebow and the spread ... just takes the right players and scheme

[Dr. Cock]

think so...but I have noticed that good defenses can stop these new offenses that run a spread type package with a good defensive package that is kinda geared to stopping the option....ie ole defenses that could stop the option....these spread attacks out now to me have alot of gadget stuff in them and when the new players start learning not to bite on the smoke and mirrows and play it like an option then it will be stopped and then the offensive cords. will move on to the next big thing...

Pretty much sums up my opinion as well. I will admit that it is a fun to system to watch though. Eventually another Football Genius will come along and redefine the game once he finds a way to exploit defenses that have adapted to stopping the spread.

[Cockholio]

The effectiveness of the spread option attack is very impressive. After watching Florida blow it up this year, I began to think of Garcia's style of play (running and passing qb) and how we may implement some of the spread option attack in our offense to suit his ability. Just like any type of option attack, it is only effective when run behind a well-coached O-line. If one lineman misses an assignment, a good defense will eat it up. I guess we'll see in the Spring.

[carolinafan53186]

The spread option is not the greatest thing since slice bread. Mizzou supposedly had an unstoppable offense, then they ran into Oklahoma. The Sooners had a good, fast, SMART defense who stuck to their assigments and be the crap out of Mizzou. And then what happened? The old OK showed up and ran the ball right down Mizzou's throats. They were getting seven yards a pop at the end of the game. OK won that game for all of us traditionalists who don't give alick about the spread offense and would rather see a team play good solid D and have a smash mouth running game. BOOMER SOONER!

[Ga_Gamecock]

OUs D gets the credit, but to me the biggest difference was they way they ran the ball and controlled the game when they were on O

years ago ppl said the RB was a dead position since the Houstion Oilers had this new "run and shoot" offense that was going to change the game ...

they put up gaudy Numbers w/ an empty set, but soon enough the league caught up with it and exposed the system

still no good substitute for a solid running running attack and a stout D

[cack]

i think they're too many running QBs ... a QB that is a passing QB but will take off running is what you need ... not an extra running back that throws the ball ... when you do a designed QB run ... it's just a running back with no hand off ... nothing special about that ... but when you have a QB that throws the ball and makes good decisions ... with the ability to run and make yards and plays on his feet ... THAT is a killer ... Tebow is a beast ... but not very impressive ... his numbers are, but not him ... Dixon is a running back that can throw the ball

[CoverTwo]

How can a player be a beast and put the numbers up that Tebow did..but yet he isnt impressive? Seems like a double-negative.

I'm sure if he was playing for us and an opposing fan said that about him, we would call them crazy.

[GAMECOCKEXPRESS]

The spread option is not the greatest thing since slice bread. Mizzou supposedly had an unstoppable offense, then they ran into Oklahoma. The Sooners had a good, fast, SMART defense who stuck to their assigments and be the crap out of Mizzou. And then what happened? The old OK showed up and ran the ball right down Mizzou's throats. They were getting seven yards a pop at the end of the game. OK won that game for all of us traditionalists who don't give alick about the spread offense and would rather see a team play good solid D and have a smash mouth running game. BOOMER SOONER! Exactly. The Sooners recruit nationally, have lots of 4 and 5 star recruits all over the team, like Southern Cal. An excellent coach, who was Spurrier's defensive coordinator at Florida, Bob Stoops. 7 time National Champions. More than Texas, more than Nebraska.

[uscnoklahoma]

Exactly. The Sooners recruit nationally, have lots of 4 and 5 star recruits all over the team, like Southern Cal. An excellent coach, who was Spurrier's defensive coordinator at Florida, Bob Stoops. 7 time National Champions. More than Texas, more than Nebraska.

Man what you smoking? Ask our fans....those stars don't mean jack. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Ask some of our fans on here.....they only mean something when we are ranked 4th or 5th...when we are 45th or whatever then they don't mean anything.

[TalkingHead]

Tebow is a beast ... but not very impressive ... his numbers are, but not him

:rotfl:

[Flameout12]

I always use what the NFL is doing as a preview of what will happen in CFB. While the spread will be successful for a while, there is no substitute for a hot passing attack that has playmakers working it. I look at the top NFL teams and this is their bread & butter....Manning, Favre, Romo & Brady.
Most of these guys are also quite mobile. We ran the old triple option when I was in HS...it was successful with lesser talented teams until the opposition learned how to stop it. The wishbone was hot for a while, but faster defenses killed.
And just like those, the running spread will fade and something else will replace it.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

Sneez, I agree with you on this. I think Spurrier has brought in Garcia and Hillary because of their mobility and expect he'll have a package available that gives the QB the choice to run with it, etc. I don't think he'll use it all the time, I think that it'll be there, and Spurrier will use it when needed.

Similarly speaking, Mack Brown tends to use a more drop-back passing offense, but when he had Vince Young he used Vince's skills with his feet as another element of the offense.

It's that 3rd variable that defenses have to prepare for....If you got it you use it.

[USCMusicMan]

Sneez, I agree with you on this. I think Spurrier has brought in Garcia and Hillary because of their mobility and expect he'll have a package available that gives the QB the choice to run with it, etc. I don't think he'll use it all the time, I think that it'll be there, and Spurrier will use it when needed.

Similarly speaking, Mack Brown tends to use a more drop-back passing offense, but when he had Vince Young he used Vince's skills with his feet as another element of the offense.

It's that 3rd variable that defenses have to prepare for....If you got it you use it.

I can't wait to see the package for Garcia. I have a feeling Spurrier is going to make a blend of a lot of what we are seeing right now in CFB...like a more complex version of the package we used with S. Newton, mixed with the Fun'n'Gun.

I don't know too much about schemes and such, but the package will be like giving the QB a back door if the Cock'N'Fire play goes down in flames...like an emergency exit in a way. But, he'll also used designed plays for SG to run the ball and create misdirection.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

I can't wait to see the package for Garcia. I have a feeling Spurrier is going to make a blend of a lot of what we are seeing right now in CFB...like a more complex version of the package we used with S. Newton, mixed with the Fun'n'Gun.

I don't know too much about schemes and such, but the package will be like giving the QB a back door if the Cock'N'Fire play goes down in flames...like an emergency exit in a way. But, he'll also used designed plays for SG to run the ball and create misdirection.

The upside to Garcia in a package like the one Newton ran, is that Garcia is more of a polished passer than Newton. Newton didn't seem to have the touch that Garcia supposedly has. Having a QB that's a threat to run on any given play is always going to work in your favor. You can really keep defenses off balance if they have to worry about the QB running.

[Ga_Gamecock]

Sneez, I agree with you on this. I think Spurrier has brought in Garcia and Hillary because of their mobility and expect he'll have a package available that gives the QB the choice to run with it, etc. I don't think he'll use it all the time, I think that it'll be there, and Spurrier will use it when needed.

Similarly speaking, Mack Brown tends to use a more drop-back passing offense, but when he had Vince Young he used Vince's skills with his feet as another element of the offense.

It's that 3rd variable that defenses have to prepare for....If you got it you use it.


While i agree its beneficial to have a QB who can pick up critical 1st downs with his feet, i dont think the masses - including us/spurrier - are going to scrap the playbook for the spread option.

Heck, sos even said in an interview this week that he likes having a QB who can run from time to time, but to think SOS is going to buy into urban's system is completely off base.

IMO all we will see in the future is the offense we saw with syvelle, just with better blocking ... keep in mind, the only reason Syvelle was under center was due to our OL issues. Once we have those problems fixed - which will come with time and recruiting/depth - we will have the O sos is known for running, plus the option of a scrambling QB

but SOS isnt going to call garcias number play after play like Dan Kendra Jr down there in gainesville ... thats just not going to happen. and even if SOS wanted to, SG doesnt have the frame/build Tebow does. Garcia is faster, and that will pay off bigger dividends for us when hes beating a DE to the marker ... not pounding it up the middle like a FB

[Mecklenburg Cock]

While i agree its beneficial to have a QB who can pick up critical 1st downs with his feet, i dont think the masses - including us/spurrier - are going to scrap the playbook for the spread option.

Heck, sos even said in an interview this week that he likes having a QB who can run from time to time, but to think SOS is going to buy into urban's system is completely off base.

IMO all we will see in the future is the offense we saw with syvelle, just with better blocking ... keep in mind, the only reason Syvelle was under center was due to our OL issues. Once we have those problems fixed - which will come with time and recruiting/depth - we will have the O sos is known for running, plus the option of a scrambling QB

but SOS isnt going to call garcias number play after play like Dan Kendra Jr down there in gainesville ... thats just not going to happen. and even if SOS wanted to, SG doesnt have the frame/build Tebow does. Garcia is faster, and that will pay off bigger dividends for us when hes beating a DE to the marker ... not pounding it up the middle like a FB




Don't get me wrong. I don't at all think Spurrier is going to scrap his offense, I just think he's going to add new wrinkles to provide the option to run the QB when needed. I think when you've got a QB like Garcia (And I'm not saying Garcia is definitely the man (that would be unfair to Smelley and Beecher)) smart coaches/innovative coaches will adjust their playbook to feature the player's strengths.

[TStone]

Tebow is a beast ... but not very impressive ... his numbers are, but not him ...

It's all about the numbers, right? Can't argue with them?

[Hopefultiger]

I think that the spread will be hot for a year or two at the most. Defenses have been focused on stopping the pocket passer lately and you have a 'pin your ears back and come' kind of attitude. This opens things up for a run/pass QB to have great success if he can avoid the out of control rush. There are two problems with this scheme:

Your most critical player on offense (QB) is now running around getting tackled all the time. Tebow has been incredably lucky this year IMO and he's still been hurt a couple of times. To pull off this scheme you've got to have 3 or 4 guys that have skills at QB. Anyone think Fl would be any good w/o Tebow? Check out Oregon for the answer.

Defenses will start lane rushing with the concentration on keeping contain and staying home. The will concentrate on good fundamentals and tackling one on one. End of the spread.

[Barry_gamecock]

I think what makes the spread effective for florida is they have a fullback who can run over ppl in the backfield and a bunch of really fast athletic wide receivers...its the players in my opinion...

[CoverTwo]

Florida's offense is going to get scarier because they will finally have a running back that can carry the ball 20+ times a game in Emmanuel Moody.

Tebow wont have as near as many rushing attempts/yards/touchdowns next year because Moody will take the load of the production and allow Tebow to concentrate on throwing the ball.

[Ga_Gamecock]

moody could make them a very dangerous team ... couple him with harvin in the backfield. lots of athleticism there

[lynesjc]

Regardless of what kind of offense you run, having a mobile QB is always a bonus and can alleviate alot of O line issues you might have.

Look at Montana and Young out in SF for example. Even if you don't have alot of designed runs, the ability to evade the rush results in making plays.

More current examples would include McNabb.

I think Spurrier prefers a classic drop-back passer in the mold of Marino or Manning, but given our O-line situation he knows perfectly well we could use a little more mobility at the QB position.

Hopefullly Garcia can provide that.

Still, at the end of the day, no QB is going to have much of a chance when blitzers are running free every 3rd play.

Fix the O-line, QB will take care of itself.