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morgan n' 7
12-06-2007, 03:19 AM
Downey issues own challenge to Gamecocks

USC faces Providence in Philadelphia in initial SEC-Big East Challenge
Published: Thursday, December 6, 2007 - 2:00 am
By Rick Scoppe
COLUMBIA BUREAU



COLUMBIA -- Like the rest of his teammates, point guard Devan Downey wasn't available to talk to reporters Wednesday before the University of South Carolina flew to Philadelphia to face Providence College in the first SEC-Big East Challenge tonight.


But maybe he had said enough after questioning how hard the Gamecocks are playing and saying they wouldn't even make the NIT after an 85-74 loss at No. 18 Clemson University on Saturday.

Coach Dave Odom said he was "not terribly disappointed" with Downey's comments and didn't sense they caused any problems with his teammates.

"Sometimes you stick your foot in your mouth before you know what it tastes like," Odom said, "and I think that's kind of what happened. I don't look at that as a bad thing.



"It's kind of like my mother used to say to me, 'I love your taste, but I question your judgment.' I liked the fact that he challenged everybody, but maybe he could have done it in a little different way."


Odom said he addressed Downey's comments with the team but did not ask Downey to apologize to his teammates.

The best way to make amends, Odom said, "is you show them" by playing hard and better, especially on defense, where Downey has struggled while continuing to lead USC in scoring (18.1 points), assists (38) and steals (26).

Odom said Downey, who often takes chances that leave USC's defense in trouble, isn't alone in the need to play better. Odom said defense had been a "huge emphasis" as the Gamecocks (4-4) prepared for Providence (5-2).

"We must get tougher on defense," he said.


In his search for a "real, true stopper," Odom challenged his players. So far, no one has emerged, although he said senior Dwayne Day, known more for his shooting, has "taken a baby step" toward that.

"We've got to get to the point where it really matters if we give up baskets," Odom said. "Sometimes you give up a basket and it's like, 'Play on, play on.' And it can't be that. It's got to make a difference. When it makes a difference, then it'll stop." Briefly: Odom was unsure about his starting lineup, saying he might give freshman center Mike Holmes his first start since the Southern Cal game. ...

USC guard Brandis Raley-Ross is hitting 67.9 percent of his 3-pointers (19 of 28). ... Providence has five players averaging in double figures and is forcing opponents into an average of 20 turnovers per game. ... The Friars have wins against Temple (66-64), Arkansas (67-51) and Boston College (98-89 in overtime) but are coming off a 77-60 loss at Rhode Island.

jstrom
12-06-2007, 02:41 PM
I must have missed what Downey had to say, but there's something in the Bible about getting the log out of your own eye before you complain about the speck in someone else's.

CaptainCrunch
12-06-2007, 02:46 PM
alright big game tonight, we really need a W can't wait

bgallup
12-06-2007, 02:47 PM
From what i read Downey included himself in everything he said. Why would Odom question him about stepping up and challenging himself and the team?

jstrom
12-06-2007, 02:50 PM
It would depend on what he said, how he said it and his intent, wouldn't it?

CockySpurrier85
12-06-2007, 03:33 PM
I've watched the games this year and until Downey can start hitting easy layups and stop letting people get by him on defense he can keep quiet.

ShutTheSuccop
12-06-2007, 03:37 PM
Sounds like Odom does not like being called out by a player...I agree that Downey included himself so why the hell was it not diamond dave issuing the challenge?

bgallup
12-06-2007, 03:40 PM
I've watched the games this year and until Downey can start hitting easy layups and stop letting people get by him on defense he can keep quiet.

Leaders dont always have to be the best producers. Downey at least hustles the majority of the game. I thought it was a good thing for him to stand up and chalange everyone. Its a hell of alot better than saying we arent ready to win at this level. What kind of message does that send!

USCMusicMan
12-06-2007, 06:57 PM
Leaders dont always have to be the best producers. Downey at least hustles the majority of the game. I thought it was a good thing for him to stand up and chalange everyone. Its a hell of alot better than saying we arent ready to win at this level. What kind of message does that send!

Wasn't it in baseball last year that one of the seniors who never played a lot named team captain?

just empahsizing your point!

jstrom
12-06-2007, 10:52 PM
Sounds like Odom does not like being called out by a player...I agree that Downey included himself so why the hell was it not diamond dave issuing the challenge?

I can't be authoritative about this because I'm not in the locker rooms, practices or team meetings. Maybe it's because Odom is more cerebral than 99.9 % of everyone else related to basketball and nobody outclasses him. I'm sure he challenges his players in ways even they don't realize, much less us.

ConwayGamecock
12-06-2007, 10:56 PM
It looks like the extra practice on defense may have helped. Now they have 2 weeks of more practice to get ready for a good Baylor team. Hopefully this win will help them get some confidence......

AtlGAMECOCK
12-06-2007, 11:12 PM
you can tell by the way we played something is up b/c we are always out of position and we let a guy get free and hit an easy shot and we can't box off ppl on rebounds.

Spur20001
12-07-2007, 04:33 PM
Sounds like Odom does not like being called out by a player...I agree that Downey included himself so why the hell was it not diamond dave issuing the challenge?

And you know what all goes on in our practices and team meetings? Why would Dave go public with anything he tells his team?

John79
12-07-2007, 04:40 PM
What ever it takes to get this team going , then do it.

evilpoptart
12-07-2007, 06:04 PM
What ever it takes to get this team going , then do it.

agreed.

usc89
12-09-2007, 12:29 AM
There's nothing wrong with the team and their captain saying whatever they feel to each other. If Downey needed to challenge these guys, so be it. At times like that, the coaches need to go into their office, close the door and not get into that conversation at all.

Unlike coaches, players don't have to answer to the media and are therefore exempt from "political correctness."

Whatever it was, it worked!

GO COCKS!

scfan2001
12-09-2007, 12:44 AM
^barely.

Will4144
12-09-2007, 12:47 AM
Looks like Dave had to think of something to talk about to fill his time since he's obviously not coaching in that spare time.

Devan Downey stuck his foot in his mouth? Is this the same guy that has been regularly leading our team in rebounds, steals, assists, and points in a good bit of our games?!

Leave now, Dave. Please give us time to find a good coach to coach the great talent we have in Devan Downey, Zam Fredrick, Sam Muldrow, Michael Holmes, Evan Banilius, Mitchell Carter, Chad Grey, etc.

tgobbel
12-09-2007, 12:56 AM
DO seems to not like Downey getting the credit for firing up his team...I'm all about a VOCAL leader if he can back it up with his play...so go ahead...chew some a$$ if that's what it takes to get the boys fired up...This is what is sorely missing in USC sports now a days...we need to recruit some LEADERS...Let them be LOUD I say..

superstar90
12-09-2007, 01:58 AM
Ya'll are sure taking things out of context. It looks like things worked out well. The boys played harder, and we executed well in the game.

Will4144
12-09-2007, 02:07 AM
Ya'll are sure taking things out of context. It looks like things worked out well. The boys played harder, and we executed well in the game.

Thanks to Coach Downey.

jstrom
12-09-2007, 12:14 PM
Looks like Dave had to think of something to talk about to fill his time since he's obviously not coaching in that spare time.

Devan Downey stuck his foot in his mouth? Is this the same guy that has been regularly leading our team in rebounds, steals, assists, and points in a good bit of our games?!

Leave now, Dave. Please give us time to find a good coach to coach the great talent we have in Devan Downey, Zam Fredrick, Sam Muldrow, Michael Holmes, Evan Banilius, Mitchell Carter, Chad Grey, etc.

Funny stuff. What's his shooting percentages? Not just made vs attempted either. We were getting schlacked the other night at halftime and just his MISSED shots were more than 6 or 7 of the other guys shots (total shots taken) COMBINED. And, he'd only made one. To be honest about everything though, at 5'9", it's tough to realistically think he'll ever be a major defensive force though.