New Defense ad years to prime?

[SNEEZ]

will a new D coordinator, who likely will have a variation on the D and his type of players have a negative affect on our progression in the SEC.

I believe it will add a year or two until our prime. We have an undersized D withn little to no intensity. undersize is recruiting and intensity is PLAYERS

what does everyone think.

[JAYBEZ]

We should have the depth to handle a change. (if it even is a big enough change to warrant concern).

Since we run a base 4-3, we should be ok. A lot this trouble comes when you have a 3-4 D (like what strong ran) and your switch to a 4-3 (what we had after strong). There wasn't a lot of depth at the D-line because we didn't need as many players before.

But as I was saying. Since we run a base 4-3, we should be fine with any transition.

[YankeeGamecock]

I wonder if a new D-Coord will add a year or two to how long the HBC planned on staying in the game? We all know Spurrier has the killer instinct to win, and if a new D-Coord will allow him to sit atop supremacy for a few more years, maybe this will keep the HBC a few more years from hitting the golf clubs daily?

[snoopcockycock]

agreed. we have a lot of depth and talent on this defense. also, we have a ton of very young defensive players with experience now. i think who ever steps in as the new dc, they are inheriting an excellent opportunity.

[Click]

agreed. we have a lot of depth and talent on this defense. also, we have a ton of very young defensive players with experience now. i think who ever steps in as the new dc, they are inheriting an excellent opportunity.

I agree. Just hope the new DC will use the talent more, be more aggressive with whatever scheme he uses. We have the talent to have a great D.

[superstar90]

I agree. Just hope the new DC will use the talent more, be more aggressive with whatever scheme he uses. We have the talent to have a great D.

That's why I want Bud! He believes in pressure, and he actually practices what he preaches. Our coaches at USC has said since the fire ant Defenses that we were going to pressure, and each season it never happens. I know a lot has been due to talent, but a lot of times the prior coaches have been scared to get burned. I'm tired of this bend but don't break defense. All that does is keep you around .500! We need to be dominating as a D, and that only comes with pressure and more pressure!

[Click]

That's why I want Bud! He believes in pressure, and he actually practices what he preaches. Our coaches at USC has said since the fire ant Defenses that we were going to pressure, and each season it never happens. I know a lot has been due to talent, but a lot of times the prior coaches have been scared to get burned. I'm tired of this bend but don't break defense. All that does is keep you around .500! We need to be dominating as a D, and that only comes with pressure and more pressure!

Me & you think alike. I don't think a D should sit back waiting to see what the offense is gonna do. I'd rather have an attacking defense that forces the offense to adjust, not the other way around. I remember Joe Lee Dunn's defense in '87. It wasn't that talented except for Brad Edwards, but b/c of the scheme it was a dominating defense. We finished the season that year ranked 2nd in the country in total D.

[Blake]

I dont think it matters to much who the next d cordinater will be bc of the talent we have coming back. We arent really that undersized if we have jasper back, we were really inexperienced and undersized at the linebacker spot last year. Theres about 3 inches and 40lb difference between sapp and jasper. But i think this year helped out sapp alot and he will be primed to have a good year at an outside spot. I think we will have a great defense next year, we lacked alot of sec experience and we will have that next year. I think next year we are going to be amazing on defense. We just need to put some pressure on the qb, we very rarely blized this year.

[roosterrizk1]

Where are we undersized..??? LB maybe....I will go with the inexperience but our DLine was bigger than allot of other schools in the conferrence...

[Click]

I dont think it matters to much who the next d cordinater will be bc of the talent we have coming back. We arent really that undersized if we have jasper back, we were really inexperienced and undersized at the linebacker spot last year. Theres about 3 inches and 40lb difference between sapp and jasper. But i think this year helped out sapp alot and he will be primed to have a good year at an outside spot. I think we will have a great defense next year, we lacked alot of sec experience and we will have that next year. I think next year we are going to be amazing on defense. We just need to put some pressure on the qb, we very rarely blized this year.

That will be the key, plus jammin the receivers on the line of scrimmage rather than playing 10 yards off and letting them have their way.

[GameC1969]

I agree with rooster that our size has greatly improved....we need a D like lsu that is nasty intense and loves to inflict pain ....a WWE attitude put to reality...I would take a dirty reputation any day if it brings championships

[crowcutta]

we should have the size to compete next year with all of our players healthy, the freshmen physically maturing and getting back the lindsey brothers and jasper. we should have the proper size no matter if we're running a 3-4 or 4-3, the next defensive coordinator should have no excuses going into the season if we have everybody available who we hope

[Click]

we should have the size to compete next year with all of our players healthy, the freshmen physically maturing and getting back the lindsey brothers and jasper. we should have the proper size no matter if we're running a 3-4 or 4-3, the next defensive coordinator should have no excuses going into the season if we have everybody available who we hope

I think we have the size to run either scheme also. I've often wondered if Marque Hall wasn't a more natural DE in a 4-3 defense. For some reason watching him play he never seemed comfortable playing inside. Just an observation. Imagine having him and Cliff Geathers at DE and Pepper and Ladi on the inside. Stand Norwood up as a LB.. just pondering is all.

[payindews]

I hope Ron Cooper is staying put..any word on him?

[foezopen]

Having Pepper back will also help greatly....seems like alot of people have forgotten that he was playing well!!! We just need to keep him away from the ENDZONE,only bad things have happened when he gets near the goalline!!

[uscnoklahoma]

I think we would have never hit our prime with 2 and 3 down lineman. I think whoever we get (well as long as it ain't someone running some weird crap like this year) will accelerate our rise to the top.

[Click]

I think we would have never hit our prime with 2 and 3 down lineman. I think whoever we get (well as long as it ain't someone running some weird crap like this year) will accelerate our rise to the top.

3 down linemen would have worked but not playing the soft prevent scheme that we mostly played all year.

[uscnoklahoma]

3 down linemen would have worked but not playing the soft prevent scheme that we mostly played all year.

Not if teams are running it on us....3 down lineman against Arky...stupid.

[Click]

Not if teams are running it on us....3 down lineman against Arky...stupid.

Nah, it'll work if the right scheme is used. In fact I've seen 3-4's be more effective stopping the option running game than the 4-3. But really it doesn't matter if you're playing back (off the line) like we did most of the year, especially against Arky. Two of the best teams in football use 3 down linemen.

[crowcutta]

I think we have the size to run either scheme also. I've often wondered if Marque Hall wasn't a more natural DE in a 4-3 defense. For some reason watching him play he never seemed comfortable playing inside. Just an observation. Imagine having him and Cliff Geathers at DE and Pepper and Ladi on the inside. Stand Norwood up as a LB.. just pondering is all.
thing about marque hall, he looked great as a dt in 2006 before he got injured. i wouldnt count him out returning to form after another healthy year off the acl injury. i think norwood is still best as a pass rusher.

he's gone uscnoklahoma, you can finally let it go now, ya know? and its not impossible to stop arkansas running a 3-4 if executed properly, does new england and pittsburgh abandon their 3-4 in the nfl when they run into a running team, no.

[Click]

thing about marque hall, he looked great as a dt in 2006 before he got injured. i wouldnt count him out returning to form after another healthy year off the acl injury. i think norwood is still best as a pass rusher.

he's gone uscnoklahoma, you can finally let it go now, ya know? and its not impossible to stop arkansas running a 3-4 if executed properly, does new england and pittsburgh abandon their 3-4 in the nfl when they run into a running team, no.

In the 80's before all the spread offenses showed up and alot of teams were still running the option and power-I formations, most every team was using an odd-man front on defense, basically a 3-4. It just has to be executed properly, like crowcutta said.

[Wazir]

Nothing new on this board!

[Spur's Addiction]

I hope it will add years to our prime. Wouldn't mind our prime being expanded from 2 to about 10 years!

[crowcutta]

i dont even think alignment was the problem in the arkansas game, look at mcfadden's 80 yard td run that sealed the game, our inside linebackers on that play, paulk and sapp, were 3 to 4 yards off the line of scrimmage. it looked like we had a safety blitz on the outside, i cant really tell who the safety was on the play tho. the bad part is, the small de in our 3-4 set got the only penetration on the play, casper brinkley.
the d-line was rushing right into the running play, BUT marque hall was the 3-4 end on the side where the play was being run too and he got taken completely out of the play by a one on one block. you could pretty much say losing that one on one battle destroyed the whole defense on the play.
the safety then couldnt take on the fullback because hall was knocked into him. then norwood took a poor angle on the play jumping inside instead of taking on the block and trying to force the run back in, he effectively took himself and paulk out of the play, but even paulk allowed himself to be sucked inside as well.
same thing basically happened on felix jones 72 yard td run, cliff matthews jumped inside of the block instead of taking it on, taking himself out of the play. the blocker then went free to pancake captain giving felix the edge for the td run.

i dont buy the 4-3, 5-2, whatever solving whatever problems we had last year or in the future, or simply blitzing more. it is going to come down to guys being where theyre supposed to be and getting off blocks and making plays. theres going to be read and react to whatever defense youre running. especially against a wildhog offense or florida's spread.
if youre not playing as a unit and being disciplined aggressiveness will get you burned. our guys still have to get stronger and become better football players, and im confident they will.
taking proper angles, being disciplined against the run, taking on blocks and making plays, tackling, are going to be a lot more important than what scheme we run.
and yes the responsibility of all those things will fall on the dc.

[madj0]

will a new D coordinator, who likely will have a variation on the D and his type of players have a negative affect on our progression in the SEC.

I believe it will add a year or two until our prime. We have an undersized D withn little to no intensity. undersize is recruiting and intensity is PLAYERS

what does everyone think.

In 09 we should be loaded with Jr and Sr talent, If spurrier cannot win the east that season, he may never do so.

[GeathersFan]

will a new D coordinator, who likely will have a variation on the D and his type of players have a negative affect on our progression in the SEC.

I believe it will add a year or two until our prime. We have an undersized D withn little to no intensity. undersize is recruiting and intensity is PLAYERS

what does everyone think.

Please explain to me how are we undersize?

[SNEEZ]

Please explain to me how are we undersize?

I shouldn't need to. undersize meams exactly that.

[Click]

i dont even think alignment was the problem in the arkansas game, look at mcfadden's 80 yard td run that sealed the game, our inside linebackers on that play, paulk and sapp, were 3 to 4 yards off the line of scrimmage. it looked like we had a safety blitz on the outside, i cant really tell who the safety was on the play tho. the bad part is, the small de in our 3-4 set got the only penetration on the play, casper brinkley.
the d-line was rushing right into the running play, BUT marque hall was the 3-4 end on the side where the play was being run too and he got taken completely out of the play by a one on one block. you could pretty much say losing that one on one battle destroyed the whole defense on the play.
the safety then couldnt take on the fullback because hall was knocked into him. then norwood took a poor angle on the play jumping inside instead of taking on the block and trying to force the run back in, he effectively took himself and paulk out of the play, but even paulk allowed himself to be sucked inside as well.
same thing basically happened on felix jones 72 yard td run, cliff matthews jumped inside of the block instead of taking it on, taking himself out of the play. the blocker then went free to pancake captain giving felix the edge for the td run.

i dont buy the 4-3, 5-2, whatever solving whatever problems we had last year or in the future, or simply blitzing more. it is going to come down to guys being where theyre supposed to be and getting off blocks and making plays. theres going to be read and react to whatever defense youre running. especially against a wildhog offense or florida's spread.
if youre not playing as a unit and being disciplined aggressiveness will get you burned. our guys still have to get stronger and become better football players, and im confident they will.
taking proper angles, being disciplined against the run, taking on blocks and making plays, tackling, are going to be a lot more important than what scheme we run.
and yes the responsibility of all those things will fall on the dc.


Yea, it always comes down to fundementals, no matter what game you're in or what scheme you're running. Good post.

[GeathersFan]

I shouldn't need to. undersize meams exactly that.

Well then undersized compared to whom? When I look at our roster I don’t see undersize! The problem with a lot of posters is that they have no validity to their posting. Compare our size to the number one defense in the country, who are in back to back national championship games! Compare us to the best in the country and show me how we are undersized! (Ohio State have the number one ranked defense)

Our DL
We have the bigger DL according to weight. We have more 300lbs DTs!

Ladi Ajiboye (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=76735)DT 91So.1V6-1/294 Jamarial Brown (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=385750)DT60Jr.Tr6-2/300 Kenrick Ellis (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=63803)DT97So.1V6-5/3279

Clifton Geathers (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=76737) DESo.1V6-7/270 Marque Hall (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=36242)DTSr.3V6-3/302 Jordin Lindsey (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=36246)DESr.3V6-3/254

Byron McKnight (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=83826)DEFr.RS6-5/220 Donte'e Nicholls (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=83816)DTFr.RS6-1/307 Eric Norwood (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=63806)DEJr.2V6-0/264

Nathan Pepper (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52969)DTJr.2V6-1/290 Travian Robertson (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=76738)DESo.1V6-4/250 Jonathan Williams (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=76739)DLSr.1V6-2/273


Ohio States DL.

Nader Abdallah (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=33768)DTJr.SQ6-5/297 Alex Barrow (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=3741)DEJr.1V6-5/275 Brett Daly (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=36419)DLSr.SQ6-6/255

Todd Denlinger (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52940)DLSo.1V6-3/286 Vernon Gholston (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=3774)DEJr.1V6-4/264 Bryan Gray (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=63128)DLSo.RS6-1/286

Cameron Heyward (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=84260)DLFr.HS6-6/282 Tom Ingham (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=84839)DESo.SQ6-1/252 Dexter Larimore (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=63934)DTFr.RS6-3/304

Chris Rietschlin (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=84462)DLJr.SQ6-4/265 Robert Rose (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=63937)DESo.1V6-5/294 Solomon Thomas (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=84268)DEFr.HS6-5/225

Lawrence Wilson (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52952)DEJr.2V6-6/276 Doug Worthington (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52953)DTSo.HS6-7/281


Our LBs.
LBs are pretty much even.

Yvan Banag (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52954)LBSr.3V5-10/223 Jasper Brinkley (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=62730)LBSr.1V6-2/262 John Guerry (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=63815)LBJr.SQ6-0/221

Melvin Ingram (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=83825)LBSo.1V6-2/250 Dustin Lindsey (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=36245)LBSr.2V6-4/239 Cliff Matthews (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=83831)LBSo.1V6-4/234

Rodney Paulk (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=63807)LBJr.2V6-0/217 Marvin Sapp (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52971)LBSr.3V5-11/222 Vandaral Shackleford (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=63809)LBJr.1V6-0/238

Gerrod Sinclair (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52972)LBJr.2V6-0/233 Alonzo Winfield LBFr.RS6-0/200 Damien Wright (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52979)LBJr.SQ6-0/221


Ohio States LBs.


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Jermale Hines (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=84261)LBFr.HS6-2/209 Ross Homan (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=63129)LBSo.1V6-1/230 Mark Johnson (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=63933)LBFr.RS6-4/243

James Laurinaitis (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52943)LBJr.2V6-3/244 Kyle Libby (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=63131)LBFr.SQ6-2/224 Ryan Lukens (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=36415)LBJr.SQ6-0/223

Tyler Moeller (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=63414)LBFr.RS6-1/203 Brian Rolle (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=84264)LBFr.HS5-11/212 Austin Spitler (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52948)LBSo.1V6-3/234

Curtis Terry (http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=33775)OLBSr.3V6-2/236

[sc455]

I dont think it matters to much who the next d cordinater will be bc of the talent we have coming back. We arent really that undersized if we have jasper back, we were really inexperienced and undersized at the linebacker spot last year. Theres about 3 inches and 40lb difference between sapp and jasper. But i think this year helped out sapp alot and he will be primed to have a good year at an outside spot. I think we will have a great defense next year, we lacked alot of sec experience and we will have that next year. I think next year we are going to be amazing on defense. We just need to put some pressure on the qb, we very rarely blized this year. since we have talent and it doesnt matter who the d coordinator is i think i am going to interview. if i blitz more than we have to win. i mean any idiot can coach the d, right?

[Hippiegamecock]

Actually, we blitzed a lot early in the season, especially against Georgia, but in the 2nd half of the season (the only part that people seem to remember any more), the injuries in the secondary and being behind all the time (because of early turnovers by the offense) seemed to make Nix gun-shy with blitzes, which I can actually understand although it's still frustrating as hell to watch.

Defensive schemes & effort aren't the only culprits for our defensive collapse. We need all three phases of the game (off., def., st) to play well from the start of the game so that we can play with momentum and finishing strong means putting a game away early instead of fighting for a tight comeback.

[willy]

We should have the depth to handle a change. (if it even is a big enough change to warrant concern).

Since we run a base 4-3, we should be ok. A lot this trouble comes when you have a 3-4 D (like what strong ran) and your switch to a 4-3 (what we had after strong). There wasn't a lot of depth at the D-line because we didn't need as many players before.

But as I was saying. Since we run a base 4-3, we should be fine with any transition.



I am with you all the way.

[roosterrizk1]

We are much bigger than allot of Defenses in the SEC. The bad thing, is we also were really young.

[jstrom]

Not if teams are running it on us....3 down lineman against Arky...stupid.

Was terrible against the run as a whole all year long this year. Nix ran 3 down to help prevent anything big from breaking. The same thing worked a lot better against clumbersom farms the last two years, but even they got their yards too. 4-3 or 3-4...it's all speculation now.

[HHBC]

i dont even think alignment was the problem in the arkansas game, look at mcfadden's 80 yard td run that sealed the game, our inside linebackers on that play, paulk and sapp, were 3 to 4 yards off the line of scrimmage. it looked like we had a safety blitz on the outside, i cant really tell who the safety was on the play tho. the bad part is, the small de in our 3-4 set got the only penetration on the play, casper brinkley.
the d-line was rushing right into the running play, BUT marque hall was the 3-4 end on the side where the play was being run too and he got taken completely out of the play by a one on one block. you could pretty much say losing that one on one battle destroyed the whole defense on the play.
the safety then couldnt take on the fullback because hall was knocked into him. then norwood took a poor angle on the play jumping inside instead of taking on the block and trying to force the run back in, he effectively took himself and paulk out of the play, but even paulk allowed himself to be sucked inside as well.
same thing basically happened on felix jones 72 yard td run, cliff matthews jumped inside of the block instead of taking it on, taking himself out of the play. the blocker then went free to pancake captain giving felix the edge for the td run.

i dont buy the 4-3, 5-2, whatever solving whatever problems we had last year or in the future, or simply blitzing more. it is going to come down to guys being where theyre supposed to be and getting off blocks and making plays. theres going to be read and react to whatever defense youre running. especially against a wildhog offense or florida's spread.
if youre not playing as a unit and being disciplined aggressiveness will get you burned. our guys still have to get stronger and become better football players, and im confident they will.
taking proper angles, being disciplined against the run, taking on blocks and making plays, tackling, are going to be a lot more important than what scheme we run.
and yes the responsibility of all those things will fall on the dc.

Very good I see someone else has a DVR

[CockOla]

I agree with rooster that our size has greatly improved....we need a D like lsu that is nasty intense and loves to inflict pain ....a WWE attitude put to reality...I would take a dirty reputation any day if it brings championships

Let's hope we can still win with class...leave that dirty reputation to the FSUs and Clemson Tigers of the world. Always remember that SOS is a man of excellent character, and in him I trust to discard any coaches that may wish to institute dirty playing habits here.

[Order 66]

I'll take football-smarter players over bigger at this point.

[crowcutta]

Very good I see someone else has a DVR
actually i just looked at the plays on youtube, i'm still in the stone ages in regards to cable. you pick up so many things watching a game a 2nd time when the emotion of watching it live has passed and you are actually looking for specific things. plus it gets annoying listening to some of us repeat the same untrue things over and over.
you can call the right play, have a slant directly into where they are running but if your players dont execute, it doesnt matter. but it is of course the job of the dc to make sure guys execute and if they arent executing, to get guys out there who will.

our new guy's defenses at georgia were one of the best in the nation, especially against the run, and we have still have ron cooper in the secondary who most everybody thought has done a good job there. all makes me think our transition will be smooth

[superstar90]

thing about marque hall, he looked great as a dt in 2006 before he got injured. i wouldnt count him out returning to form after another healthy year off the acl injury. i think norwood is still best as a pass rusher.

he's gone uscnoklahoma, you can finally let it go now, ya know? and its not impossible to stop arkansas running a 3-4 if executed properly, does new england and pittsburgh abandon their 3-4 in the nfl when they run into a running team, no.

Definitely not impossible to stop, but to run a 3-4 you have to have three of the most dominating Dlinemen around. Plus you need two beefcake ILB and two beefcake OLB with speed. And that is just the starters. A 4-3 is easier to run when you aren't stacked with talent.

btw,
New Englands weakness, that is if you call it a weakness, is stopping the run.