CofC at USC GAME THREAD

[Snake]

College of Charleston Cougars at South Carolina Gamecocks
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When: 3:00 PM
Where: Colonial Center, Columbia, South Carolina
TV: Fox Sports Net
Radio: 107.5FM
Records: College of Charleston (4-5)(1-1) in Southern Conference, South Carolina (5-5)(0-0) in SEC

Coaches: Dave Odom (397-265 in 22 seasons, 119-91 in 7 seasons at South Carolina);
Bobby Cremins (480-323 in 27 seasons, 26-16 in 2 seasons at College of Charleston)

Starting Lineups:

South Carolina
F 6-9 Sam Muldrow (4.5 PPG)
F 6-7 Dominique Archie (9.7)
G 6-2 Brandis Raley-Ross (11.1)
G 6-0 Zam Frederick II (15.4)
G 5-9 Devan Downey (18.4)

College of Charleston
F 6-7 Jermaine Johnson (13.2 PPG)
F 6-8 Dustin Scott (7.4)
F 6-7 Antwaine Wiggins (9.3)
G 6-3 Marcus Hammond (4.9)
G 6-0 Tony White, Jr. (13.4)

[dgusc06]

I really hope we can turn it around starting with this game. It is so frustrating to have talent and lead by big numbers in a game and end up losing. I place it on coaching when that happens so i hope Odem sees the light today and carries it into the rest of the season.

[CaptainCrunch]

so why did Muldrow not play in the second half wed?

[The Yancey]

I was in school with Bobby. No matter who wins it looks like I'll lose.

[USCMusicMan]

Should be a decent game. I hope we demolish them after that stupid loss.

[CockyChrisCox]

i'm glad ya'll still are supporting this team. a lot of people have already given up. props to yall that follow the game today on the saturday before christmas.

[jstrom]

I really hope we can turn it around starting with this game. It is so frustrating to have talent and lead by big numbers in a game and end up losing. I place it on coaching when that happens so i hope Odem sees the light today and carries it into the rest of the season.

I really hope we can turn it around starting with this game. It is so frustrating to have talent and lead by big numbers in a game and end up losing. I place it on players not doing what they've been taught when that happens so i hope the players finally see the light today and carry it into the rest of the season. SHOT SELECTION has been very, very poor.

[JoeMorrison]

I wish we'd go with a bigger lineup. I think Raley-Ross is a great addition off the bench. Let Muldrow and Holmes play at the same time with Zam, Devin, and Nique.

[Go Cocks]

Off to the game! Let's go boys! Beat the CofC!!


:bballcoc: :bballcoc: :bballcoc: :bballcoc: :bballcoc:

[usc1]

I have nearly 30,000 on this game.


GO COCKS

[MEGA]

LETS GO GAMECOCKS !!! :bballcoc: :bballcoc: :bballcoc: :bballcoc:

[TheGuitarCock]

GO COCKS!

[morgan n' 7]

Go Cocks !:bballcoc:

[Count Cockula]

Go Cocks !

[Count Cockula]

does anyone know where Tre Kelly went, I didn't see him in my fantasy league for Pros?

[MEGA]

Come on GAMECOCKS we are down by 5 !! :-|

[Snake]

does anyone know where Tre Kelly went, I didn't see him in my fantasy league for Pros?

This is the last that I have heard of Tre'

Kelley Headed To Europe

Phil Kornblut
Published August 13, 2007

Former USC point guard Tre Kelley has signed a contract with Cibona Zagreb, the champion of the Croatian Basketball (http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?template=wiki&text=Basketball) League, and considered to be one of the top pro teams in Europe. Kelley reports for the start of practice August 16th. Kelley was not taken in the NBA Draft this summer and did not land a job as a free agent. He most recently tried out with the Miami Heat. Kelley averaged 19 points and 5 assists per game last season and was named the winner of the Francis Pomeroy Naismith Award as the best player in the country under six feet.


Here is a picture I found of him playing a couple of days ago:
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Bojan Popovic of Unicaja Malaga (R) vies with Tre Kelley of Cibona Zagreb during their Euroleague group B basketball match between Cibona Zagreb and Unicaja Malaga in Zagreb, 20 December 2007. AFP PHOTO/DENIS LOVROVIC (Photo credit should read STRINGER/AFP/Getty Images)

[carolinathru&thru]

ughh.....

down by 9

[TheGuitarCock]

Welcome to Gamecock Basketball...Dave Odom Style!

[MEGA]

down by 10 :thumbs: :sad:

[Snake]

down by 10 :thumbs: :sad: :spurrier: :-|

[bravestc10]

Were only shooting 40% and we're 1 of 8 from three...as much as everyone would like to blame Odom, that's on the players.

[wrencock88]

... this is disgraceful :angrycoc:

[ILiveInTheRoost]

Were only shooting 40% and we're 1 of 8 from three...as much as everyone would like to blame Odom, that's on the players.



You're wasting your time. People here don't want to hear that. You can't reason with them.

[carolinathru&thru]

I'm never a negative person reguarding my teams (especially USC).

But, I'm to the point of despondency and near indifference reguarding Gamecock sports. I still think that we can do well this season in b-ball. But, we need something to spark us and FAST!!!

[CoverTwo]

Welp been out Christmas shopping..doesnt sound like I missed a whole lot..

[MEGA]

Welp been out Christmas shopping..doesnt sound like I missed a whole lot..

No , unless you tolerate pain very well ! :-|

[64-37-4?]

im a citadel fan...and even i a clemson fan is pulling for the gamecocks to beat cofc...i hate cofc

[The Gamecock Outlaw]

so where are all the "THIS WILL HELP US IN THE SEC" homers at?

[ILiveInTheRoost]

No player, coach or potential recruit bashing - This is a Gamecock site. We have players and player parents who read and participate on this board. If times are tough on the field of play, the last thing they need is to read insulting comments about it on this board. Let's leave the player personnel decisions to the coaches. We don't want anything we do on CockyTalk to potentially hurt our University.

hmm...

[jstrom]

Downey 1-8 shooting. Anyone think he cares? To bad being fast and quick doesn't put points on the board. Maybe we can get Dave Odom to shoot for him.

[jstrom]

THIS IS A DISGRACE!!!! FIRE THIS IDIOT ALREADY!!!!

You cant' fire someone who's on scholarship! Even I know that.

[CoverTwo]

hmm...

Yanno. You keep posting that. But you're preaching to a choir. When it comes to basketball, no one hardly gives a damn about those rules.

[Gamecock303]

Were only shooting 40% and we're 1 of 8 from three...as much as everyone would like to blame Odom, that's on the players.

who recruited the players???

I used to be one of Odom's biggest fans but it is past time for him to be let go. Inability to recruit quality players (yea he does have 3 "Mr. Basketball's" but two of them wasted years of eligibility at other schools) and the inability to get those players that he has recruited to execute properly and win in the SEC.


Its nice to see Dustin Scott having a good game for the Cougars...we graduated from high school together, he reminds me a lot of Tarence Kinsey...good size and quickness, ability to play on the perimeter and on the inside and has the ability to blow past defenders and drive to the basket

[Spurred]

I have nothing good to say about the gamecocks right now.....therefore I will keep my mouth shut.

[Snake]

Yanno. You keep posting that. But you're preaching to a choir. When it comes to basketball, no one hardly gives a damn about those rules.Let's keep it clean guys........we still have a half to play

[ILiveInTheRoost]

Edit: Thanks

[Snake]

I have nothing good to say about the gamecocks right now.....therefore I will keep my mouth shut.:clap: Thank You!

[jstrom]

who recruited the players???

Inability to recruit quality players (yea he does have 3 "Mr. Basketball's" but two of them wasted years of eligibility at other schools) ...

Everything after that statement was "wah, wah-wah, wah, wah"...

[eklypised]

Defense cant keep letting them take wide open 3s

[ILiveInTheRoost]

Yahoo Gametracker for those interested...

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/gamechannel?c=passed&gid=200712220525

[CoverTwo]

Looks like we are rebounding better.

[jstrom]

I know Zam can't keep taking shots like that running down low pretending to be Dr. J. He should've been yanked after that boneheaded shot.

[CoverTwo]

Its also worth noting that Bobby Cremins has some TALENT on his squad..He's recruited pretty darn well at Charleston.

[jstrom]

Wow! You see that guy blow by Downey on the breakaway? Not a knock on Devan...just noting that guy's speed.

[CoverTwo]

Thats one of the reasons why we cant put on a full court press because that point guard will blow by everyone..We have got to shore up in our halfcourt defense.

[jstrom]

Thats one of the reasons why we cant put on a full court press because that point guard will blow by everyone..We have got to shore up in our halfcourt defense.

I couldn't agree more. We're not playing big/strong enough in the middle either....they're getting some really good looks when they drive (except that last play)...we got lucky on that possession ....thought it was out on our foot.

[CoverTwo]

Charleston also has some well designed set plays..Cremins has to be licking his chops..

[talon]

we have no defense

[jstrom]

They spread the court very, very wide and our defense doesn't seem to be able to keep up. Can you friggin' believe Raley-Ross though?? wow

[spur1128]

we are the most inconsistent team in the world!! If we lose the guys fire odom and hire cremins!!!!

[CoverTwo]

Is Austin Steed redshirting this year?

[TheGuitarCock]

comeback?

[CoverTwo]

Chad Gray has to dunk that ball...inexcusable..

[TheGuitarCock]

That hurt

[CoverTwo]

Fredrick with icewater in his veins right now.


Also, Conley made a good point. If our guards can get consistent shooting the rock, we are a very difficult match up.

[TheGuitarCock]

DAYYYYYUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMM

[jstrom]

I love basketball more than any other sport, but this is taking years off my life.

[jstrom]

we are the most inconsistent team in the world!! If we lose the guys fire odom and hire cremins!!!!

I we win, can we fire...um, never mind.

[TheGuitarCock]

Fire who?

[CoverTwo]

Look at Evka playing some defense haha.

[MEGA]

:clap: :woo:

[CoverTwo]

SHHHHHHHH ZAM!

He is by far my favorite player on this team.

[TheGuitarCock]

Dude, this is the best game I ever seen. How many 3's can we make?

[jstrom]

Good Grief...what's up with trying to kill Zam after that timeout?

[CoverTwo]

I think they read my thread about not playing with any intensity :]

[jstrom]

Look at Evka playing some defense haha.

Did you notice that "kind of, sort of" semi-switch on D?

[carolinathru&thru]

Come on cocks. Let's go!

[TheGuitarCock]

Can you make another?

[CoverTwo]

Did you notice that "kind of, sort of" semi-switch on D?

A+ for effort I guess..

[carolinathru&thru]

Oh! In and out.

[carolinathru&thru]

Foul C of C. Si!!!!

Or was it a timeout? who cares!

[jstrom]

Why is he shooting with 4 people covering him? It's called a P-A-S-S

[TheGuitarCock]

1 min

[TheGuitarCock]

tied 38 seconds left timeout cocks

[carolinathru&thru]

poo....

[CoverTwo]

How is that not a goaltend?

[jstrom]

I'm 5'11", I used to dunk before I got old and before 2 knee surgeries....What is a guy down low doing trying to put it up weakly like that?

[TheGuitarCock]

just dont turn the ball over....

[jstrom]

The key to that is to make good passes with good spacing. Also need to take a good shot, not make something up.

[JonneyGamecock]

In the words of marv albert.... YES!

[CoverTwo]

WOW!

[TheGuitarCock]

WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[jstrom]

Good Grief, Charlie Brown.

[TheGuitarCock]

DOWWWWWWWWWNEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[CoverTwo]

Oh and we got away with a backcourt violation too incase anyone missed that..

[TheGuitarCock]

Who gives a Sh^t? LOL. If we play like this....we can win the SEC

[Gamecock23]

Oh and we got away with a backcourt violation too incase anyone missed that..
Not on an inbounds play.

[jstrom]

I wanted to see the replay of that...not sure he did or didn't.

[TheGuitarCock]

WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! !!!

[CoverTwo]

Not on an inbounds play.

I thought it depends on where the ball is related to the player's body?

Anyway doesnt mater..WE WIN!

[MEGA]

:clap: :woo: :clap: :woo: :clap: :woo: :clap: :woo: :clap: :woo: :clap: :woo: :clap: :woo:

[jstrom]

I thought it depends on where the ball is related to the player's body?

Anyway doesnt mater..WE WIN!

It depends on where his foot landed after contact with the ball.

[Gamecock23]

I thought it depends on where the ball is related to the player's body?

Anyway doesnt mater..WE WIN!
As long as he doesn't touch it in the frontcourt first, it's not a backcourt violation.

[bgallup]

Holy cow!

[jstrom]

That is a pretty good C of C team...as usual. We should've been pulling away instead of catching up though. We can Not keep shooting that poorly and expect to keep coming back.

[USCya]

Pulled this one out of our arse....

Great shooting game by Ross and Jr.

[morgan n' 7]

What a game in the second half. Heck of a comeback!!!! Go Cocks!!!:cocky:

[ktguen]

good game! it's nice to be on the WINNING side of having a huge lead blown. haha. great job cocks!

[Cockadiddle]

we'll be tough if we learn how to shoot layups

[Mecklenburg Cock]

Wow! How 'bout the Gamecocks coming back from being down 15 to pull it out! That is the kind of emotion and passion our team should play with every game! If we get that, then we'll have a good season! Congrats to our boys for fighting back and pulling out the win!

[FoghornLeghornCock]

Very fortunate to get a win.

[ConwayGamecock]

Well, even if Downey did get a lucky break on that last game-winning shot, I'll definitely take it. Especially after trailing all game long. Good game, Gamecocks!!

[Snake]

What a second half!:happycoc:

[heathbates]

what a win for the court cocks....Zam really stepped up in the clutch...Downey hits those jumpers and i never think they are going to drop but they always do...Go Cocks

[The Brice]

After attending the game... as I do every game.... I find myself dissappointed with the win. Granted, a win is a win, but this was ugly. The talent level is there. The guys can definitely play. I do not intend for this to be considered bashing, but Dave Odom is not getting the job done. The game should not have been close. The guys look like they are running around with their heads cut off on defense, and we run the same offensive set everytime. It is time to make a change. Odom must go.

[TheGuitarCock]

After attending the game... as I do every game.... I find myself dissappointed with the win. Granted, a win is a win, but this was ugly. The talent level is there. The guys can definitely play. I do not intend for this to be considered bashing, but Dave Odom is not getting the job done. The game should not have been close. The guys look like they are running around with their heads cut off on defense, and we run the same offensive set everytime. It is time to make a change. Odom must go.

:roll:

[psychwr2]

i'll tell ya what Zam is a heck of a player.

[MEGA]

After attending the game... as I do every game.... I find myself dissappointed with the win. Granted, a win is a win, but this was ugly. The talent level is there. The guys can definitely play. I do not intend for this to be considered bashing, but Dave Odom is not getting the job done. The game should not have been close. The guys look like they are running around with their heads cut off on defense, and we run the same offensive set everytime. It is time to make a change. Odom must go.

Please don't mess up my moment , I am getting older by the minute I want to enjoy every W the GAMECOCKS will give me when it comes to :bballcoc: , get back with me tomorrow, right now I am kinda happy with a WIN !!!!:thumbsup:

[bioniccock]

We need to hire their coach!

[Snake]

After attending the game... as I do every game.... I find myself dissappointed with the win. Granted, a win is a win, but this was ugly. The talent level is there. The guys can definitely play. I do not intend for this to be considered bashing, but Dave Odom is not getting the job done. The game should not have been close. The guys look like they are running around with their heads cut off on defense, and we run the same offensive set everytime. It is time to make a change. Odom must go.Even though their may be many people on the board and in Gamecock nation that agree with you (including myself) let's enjoy the "W" and try to stay positive until the end of the season.

We haven't even started league play yet

Lots and Lots of basketball left to play........when the season is over with......we can all jump to conclusions on how the year went AS A WHOLE!

Maybe an "ugly" win over a mediocre C of C team is what we need to jump start our guys.

let's stay positive and avoid typing up any "Debbie Downer posts"
http://readhead.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/downer.jpg
WAH WOH

[SangareeCrew]

let's stay positive and avoid typing up any "Debbie Downer posts"

http://readhead.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/downer.jpg
WAH WOH

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbsup:

[64-37-4?]

whats carolinas record right now

[heathbates]

6-5

[Go Cocks]

After attending the game... as I do every game.... I find myself dissappointed with the win. Granted, a win is a win, but this was ugly. The talent level is there. The guys can definitely play. I do not intend for this to be considered bashing, but Dave Odom is not getting the job done. The game should not have been close. The guys look like they are running around with their heads cut off on defense, and we run the same offensive set everytime. It is time to make a change. Odom must go.

I agree with the other posters. I was there. Yes, we could've played better from start to finish, but this team needs to learn how to pull out and not give up. Just enjoy the victory.

:wink:

[Go Cocks]

does anyone know where Tre Kelly went, I didn't see him in my fantasy league for Pros?

Tre's team in Crotia played against Chuck Eidson's team the other night. I believe Coach Odom said this morning at Tip Off that Tre and Maurius Petravicius are on the same Crotian team and Chuck and Chris Warren from the 2002-03 team are playing on the same Lithuanian team. Four Gamecocks playing each other across the globe. The Lithuanian team won rather handily I believe. Coach Odom also mentioned that Tre hurt his knee, but that it isn't serious.

:wink:

[CockynTN]

After attending the game... as I do every game.... I find myself dissappointed with the win. Granted, a win is a win, but this was ugly. The talent level is there. The guys can definitely play. I do not intend for this to be considered bashing, but Dave Odom is not getting the job done. The game should not have been close. The guys look like they are running around with their heads cut off on defense, and we run the same offensive set everytime. It is time to make a change. Odom must go.
I disagree with you on that. I root for USC die-hard whenever they do not play the Vols, however, the Cocks aren't that talented this year, like it or not. They do not have what it takes to win a championship. They are inconsistent, they don't control their home floor (I will cite the Baylor game as an excellent exampe), and they aren't that deep, not to mention they only have one true goto guy in Devan Downey. Before South Carolina can hope to win an SEC Title, much less a National Title, they must get some more talented prospects. And, I mean, lets be serious. C of C is not a great ball club. If Carolina was at the level you claim they are, this fiasco would not have happened today.

[Snake]

Gamecocks come back to beat Coll. of Charleston, 85-82

The Associated Press

http://media.thestate.com/smedia/2007/12/22/16/192-uscchar2.embedded.prod_affiliate.74.jpg (http://media.thestate.com/smedia/2007/12/22/16/20-uscchar2.standalone.prod_affiliate.74.jpg)South Carolina guard Devan Downey (92) drives the lane as College of Charleston Tony White Jr. (32) defends Saturday at The Colonial Center.

COLUMBIA, S.C. --

Devan Downey's three-point play with two seconds left in the game capped a rally from 15 points down as South Carolina defeated the College of Charleston 85-82 Saturday.

Zam Fredrick II hit five 3-pointers - he was 0-for-2 before then from beyond the arc - to spark a 21-6 run by the Gamecocks (6-5), who went up 82-77 on Fredricks final trey with 2:27 left.

But the Cougars (4-6) tied it when Tony White Jr. canned a 3-pointer and was fouled. White missed the free throw, but moments later hit a layup to knot it at 82-82 with 44.5 seconds left.

With time running out, Downey drove the left side of the lane and hit a short jumper and was fouled. Downey made the free throw as the Gamecocks ran their record to 27-1 over the Cougars, who couldn't get a final shot off before the buzzer.

Fredrick led the Gamecocks with 21 points while Downey added 18. The Cougars were led by Dustin Scott, who had a career-high 20 points. White added 17 points while Jermaine Johnson had his second straight double-double with 13 points and 11 rebounds.

The Cougars scored 14 straight points as part of a 17-6 run in the final 5:18 to grab a 43-33 halftime lead. The Gamecocks led 27-23 with 6:58 left then went cold, hitting just three of their last nine shots and committing three turnovers.

The College of Charleston, meanwhile, was sizzling, hitting seven of its last eight shots - including 3-pointers by Johnson, Scott and Andrew Goudelock, whose trey gave the Cougars a 43-29 lead - their biggest lead of the half.

Down 49-34 early in the second half, the Gamecocks rallied to 51-44 on Dominique Archies dunk with 16 minutes left. But after a time out, the Cougars answered, outscoring South Carolina 10-2, capped by two straight lay-ups by White to go up 61-46 with 13:32 left.

http://www.thestate.com/local/story/265209.html

Next up for the Gamecocks:
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UC Irvine Anteaters
Day: Friday
Date: Dec. 28, 2007
Location: Columbia, S.C.
Time: 7:30 p.m. ET

[U-Dub Gamecock]

After attending the game... as I do every game.... I find myself dissappointed with the win. Granted, a win is a win, but this was ugly. The talent level is there. The guys can definitely play. I do not intend for this to be considered bashing, but Dave Odom is not getting the job done. The game should not have been close. The guys look like they are running around with their heads cut off on defense, and we run the same offensive set everytime. It is time to make a change. Odom must go.

I was there as well.. It seems obvious to me that the best prepared and best coached team was the College.. We have one of the best facilities in the nation... a pretty damn good fan base(considering the last 30 years of basketball).. and for the first time in 8-10 years.. some decent talent on the floor.. time to go out and get a coaching staff that can get us to the level we deserve..

I like Odom.. and would love to see him get moved into another roll with USC.. in the Athletics Dept.. But with him at the helm as head coach.. we wont ever compete for the SEC...

[Cuck Flemson]

I was just curious if anyone saw the end of the TV Broadcast? Looked like somebody may have said something to Cremmins when he was walking to the locker room. BC turned around ,pointed into the stands and had a real sour look on his face.

[The Brice]

I disagree with you on that. I root for USC die-hard whenever they do not play the Vols, however, the Cocks aren't that talented this year, like it or not. They do not have what it takes to win a championship. They are inconsistent, they don't control their home floor (I will cite the Baylor game as an excellent exampe), and they aren't that deep, not to mention they only have one true goto guy in Devan Downey. Before South Carolina can hope to win an SEC Title, much less a National Title, they must get some more talented prospects. And, I mean, lets be serious. C of C is not a great ball club. If Carolina was at the level you claim they are, this fiasco would not have happened today.


I entirely respect your opinion, but Zam is a top talent player. He can shoot and score from anywhere. If you saw him today, you would understand what I am saying. Brandis Raley-Ross has developed into a lights out shooter very much like Chris Lofton. Odom just hasn't been able to orchestrate ways to get him the ball. He is shooting somewhere around 65% from behind the arc. Dominique Archie is a very athletic guy with good size. He is a superb shooter for his size and has tremendous quickness on defense. Muldrow and Holmes are extremely talented, but you can see how they move on the floor that they just are not being taught the fundamentals of post play.

The major problems on the court are a lack of intensity and direction. We run the same offensive set every time. They have not been shown how to properly transition up and down the court. However, I do not think we are have the talent yet to win the SEC, but we do have the talent to beat George Mason and Baylor. We have been with every team we have lost to except Clemson. We should be playing a lot better than we are.

[Cuck Flemson]

I was just curious if anyone saw the end of the TV Broadcast? Looked like somebody may have said something to Cremmins when he was walking to the locker room. BC turned around ,pointed into the stands and had a real sour look on his face.

Did anyone see this??

[TheGuitarCock]

Did anyone see this??

I didn't see it Cuck! I was too excited and shocked!:wink:


BTW, Merry Christmas man! Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[yorkgamecock05]

You cant' fire someone who's on scholarship! Even I know that.

I was talking about coach odom...sorry if that wasn't clear...ill be sure to make sure i pick apart at your next comment too and make u look like a fool...

[superstar90]

I disagree with you on that. I root for USC die-hard whenever they do not play the Vols, however, the Cocks aren't that talented this year, like it or not. They do not have what it takes to win a championship. They are inconsistent, they don't control their home floor (I will cite the Baylor game as an excellent exampe), and they aren't that deep, not to mention they only have one true goto guy in Devan Downey. Before South Carolina can hope to win an SEC Title, much less a National Title, they must get some more talented prospects. And, I mean, lets be serious. C of C is not a great ball club. If Carolina was at the level you claim they are, this fiasco would not have happened today.

I'm not saying we are loaded, but here is what we do have.

Three guards averaging 15ppg. At this moment the #1 3pt shooter. IMO, the best PG in the SEC. There is more talent around, but they are young. If we can keep winning a few every now and then, we should get better. I wouldn't be surprised to see us win more than 5 or 6 other teams in the SEC. I'm not impressed with the SEC at all. UT is good, but from what I saw today they can be beat. They won't run away from USC when we do play.

[Gamecock History]

Lack of talent is NOT the problem, we have have PLENTY of that.

[Snake]

Lack of talent is NOT the problem, we have have PLENTY of that.Three "Mr. Basketball" players to be exact

[CockynTN]

I entirely respect your opinion, but Zam is a top talent player. He can shoot and score from anywhere. If you saw him today, you would understand what I am saying. Brandis Raley-Ross has developed into a lights out shooter very much like Chris Lofton. Odom just hasn't been able to orchestrate ways to get him the ball. He is shooting somewhere around 65% from behind the arc. Dominique Archie is a very athletic guy with good size. He is a superb shooter for his size and has tremendous quickness on defense. Muldrow and Holmes are extremely talented, but you can see how they move on the floor that they just are not being taught the fundamentals of post play.

The major problems on the court are a lack of intensity and direction. We run the same offensive set every time. They have not been shown how to properly transition up and down the court. However, I do not think we are have the talent yet to win the SEC, but we do have the talent to beat George Mason and Baylor. We have been with every team we have lost to except Clemson. We should be playing a lot better than we are.
I do think South Carolina has the potential, but I still, respectfully, disagree. Devan is a great player, works hard, much like Tre did, but he is maybe an above average guard. As for Raley-Ross, again, I respectfully disagree with you. There is nobody in the country that is as lights out as Chris Lofton (promise that is not the orange kool-aid talking). I am not disrespecting South Carolina; they do have some good players. But I just do not believe you can argue a point that they are capable of competing for a championship.

I'm not saying we are loaded, but here is what we do have.

Three guards averaging 15ppg. At this moment the #1 3pt shooter. IMO, the best PG in the SEC. There is more talent around, but they are young. If we can keep winning a few every now and then, we should get better. I wouldn't be surprised to see us win more than 5 or 6 other teams in the SEC. I'm not impressed with the SEC at all. UT is good, but from what I saw today they can be beat. They won't run away from USC when we do play.
Your three guards averaging those points means nothing if wins aren't produced. Obviously, defense is an issue. If you can score but can't defend, it means nothing. No offense meant byt hat comment. As for the #1 3pt shooter, that guy resides in Gibbs Hall in Knoxville and wears jersey #5. Like you, I am not impressed with the SEC either. Tennessee, Ole Miss, and Florida, IMO, appear to be the teams to beat, along with Vandy. Miss. State is tough, as is Kentucky, but they are average teams. USC will be tough when we play them, but USC is always tough. Also, what you saw today was UT go into a hostile arena and beat a team that had a 14 game winning streak on it's home floor. We can be beat, no doubt about that. If you watched the Texas game, you would know that by now :). However, we are far and away the best team in the conference and I think we'll be there in march. Not smack talking; just giving my opinion (without the kool-aid). We have, arguably, the deepest bench in the country and if one player is cold, another will catch fire (I cite J.P. Prince as my example from today).

[scfan2001]

I do think South Carolina has the potential, but I still, respectfully, disagree. Devan is a great player, works hard, much like Tre did, but he is maybe an above average guard. As for Raley-Ross, again, I respectfully disagree with you. There is nobody in the country that is as lights out as Chris Lofton (promise that is not the orange kool-aid talking). I am not disrespecting South Carolina; they do have some good players. But I just do not believe you can argue a point that they are capable of competing for a championship.


Your three guards averaging those points means nothing if wins aren't produced. Obviously, defense is an issue. If you can score but can't defend, it means nothing. No offense meant byt hat comment. As for the #1 3pt shooter, that guy resides in Gibbs Hall in Knoxville and wears jersey #5. Like you, I am not impressed with the SEC either. Tennessee, Ole Miss, and Florida, IMO, appear to be the teams to beat, along with Vandy. Miss. State is tough, as is Kentucky, but they are average teams. USC will be tough when we play them, but USC is always tough. Also, what you saw today was UT go into a hostile arena and beat a team that had a 14 game winning streak on it's home floor. We can be beat, no doubt about that. If you watched the Texas game, you would know that by now :). However, we are far and away the best team in the conference and I think we'll be there in march. Not smack talking; just giving my opinion (without the kool-aid). We have, arguably, the deepest bench in the country and if one player is cold, another will catch fire (I cite J.P. Prince as my example from today).

Not much to disagree with there.

[Cockhornleghorn]

We need a Bruce Pearl type of coach - someone who will get the team and the fans fired up and act a bit wacko if need be. Someone who will paint a Gamecock on his chest at a women's basketball game and have some damn personality. Dave is a great guy, but man he's boring. I'm not surprised he is such a mediocre recruiter.

[ertman420]

I do think South Carolina has the potential, but I still, respectfully, disagree. Devan is a great player, works hard, much like Tre did, but he is maybe an above average guard. As for Raley-Ross, again, I respectfully disagree with you. There is nobody in the country that is as lights out as Chris Lofton (promise that is not the orange kool-aid talking). I am not disrespecting South Carolina; they do have some good players. But I just do not believe you can argue a point that they are capable of competing for a championship.


Your three guards averaging those points means nothing if wins aren't produced. Obviously, defense is an issue. If you can score but can't defend, it means nothing. No offense meant byt hat comment. As for the #1 3pt shooter, that guy resides in Gibbs Hall in Knoxville and wears jersey #5. Like you, I am not impressed with the SEC either. Tennessee, Ole Miss, and Florida, IMO, appear to be the teams to beat, along with Vandy. Miss. State is tough, as is Kentucky, but they are average teams. USC will be tough when we play them, but USC is always tough. Also, what you saw today was UT go into a hostile arena and beat a team that had a 14 game winning streak on it's home floor. We can be beat, no doubt about that. If you watched the Texas game, you would know that by now :). However, we are far and away the best team in the conference and I think we'll be there in march. Not smack talking; just giving my opinion (without the kool-aid). We have, arguably, the deepest bench in the country and if one player is cold, another will catch fire (I cite J.P. Prince as my example from today).

There are a couple points that are actually not statistically accurate:

1) Brandi Raley-Ross, percentage-wise, is THE BEST 3 pt shooter in the country. Before this game he was shooting 68%, the best in the country. Period. I know he went over 50% in this game, but I'm honestly not sure what the updated stats are after this game.
2) Statistically, Downey leads the SEC in PPG, APG, and steals per game. They showed a little graphic during the game, and his numbers were better than all the other SEC PGs they compared him to (which I believe included the Vols PG.

Not talking trash, but the stats speak for themselves. I'm positive that BRR is the best 3 point shooter in the country statistically speaking. Obviously, those numbers can change as the season progresses. I realize this. There is also a chance that the point guard stat comparison they showed in game didn't include the Vols PG, but they were talking about who the best PG in the SEC was, so that should've included the guy from UT.

Someone mentioned something that happened at the end of the game with Coach Cremins. I saw what you were talking about, but I didn't see who said it to him, and obviously there was no audio so I didn't hear either. I did think it was odd that Cremins was seemingly bolting for the locker room. To be honest, my gut reaction was that he was pissed at the ref's, but that's just based on the feeling I got from his reaction, not on any basis of fact.

We showed a lot of heart tongiht, we hung in there and kept fighting. Zam was unblievable tongiht, and Devan came through in the clutch. It was nice to see Chad Gray contributing tonight. I also have to say that Evka was disappointing, he's GOT to learn how to play D... he got stuffed on a lazy layup and then let a guy blow right by him on the next D series. He just looked lazy. 'Nique continues to be a steady performer. All in all, I feel like we took a step forward tonight. We showed more maturity, and our guys seem to be trusting each other more and more. I think this win bodes well for our SEC schedule, despite the fact that this was obviously an inferior opponent. I will remind you guys that CoC made it to their conference championship game last year, so they're weren't a pushover by any means. Great win for our team! Go Cocks!!!

[CockySpurrier85]

My main complaint with Odom is that he can't make game changing/saving adjustments like most coaches can and I don't feel like he develops young players quickly enough. By the time they're developed they're in their last game as a senior and it is too late for us to enjoy. Yet the player is good enough to catch on with an NBA team. That is the most frustrating thing and looking back the team under Odom hasn't had too many exciting things happen. I enjoyed the NIT championships but I looked at them as building blocks Odom looked at them as the pinnacle......

[jstrom]

I was there as well.. It seems obvious to me that the best prepared and best coached team was the College.. We have one of the best facilities in the nation... a pretty damn good fan base(considering the last 30 years of basketball).. and for the first time in 8-10 years.. some decent talent on the floor.. time to go out and get a coaching staff that can get us to the level we deserve..

I like Odom.. and would love to see him get moved into another roll with USC.. in the Athletics Dept.. But with him at the helm as head coach.. we wont ever compete for the SEC...

Then suffice it to say that with fans like you we will never win either. "Considering" the last 30 yrs??? Are you kidding me??? I was there when we beat a great KY team TWICE to win the SEC. We also had an Alabama team totally beaten in the SEC tourney final before a certain referree stepped in (and who was subsequently banned from ever calling another Carolina game again)...and gave bama the game. You say we'll never win with DO? Why don't you just go and start up your own psychic hotline with all the other madames out there? When a certain player on this team decides that he's not the be-all and end-all, this team will become much, much better. We have a great, great coach in Odom and a couple of streetballers who got lucky today. You say we could do without Odom...I say there are others we can do without too.

[jstrom]

I was talking about coach odom...sorry if that wasn't clear...ill be sure to make sure i pick apart at your next comment too and make u look like a fool...

Aww...as if I didn't understand what you were saying. You should've seen that in mine...it wasn't exactly sublte.

[jstrom]

My main complaint with Odom is that he can't make game changing/saving adjustments like most coaches can and I don't feel like he develops young players quickly enough. By the time they're developed they're in their last game as a senior and it is too late for us to enjoy. Yet the player is good enough to catch on with an NBA team. That is the most frustrating thing and looking back the team under Odom hasn't had too many exciting things happen. I enjoyed the NIT championships but I looked at them as building blocks Odom looked at them as the pinnacle......

In case you haven't noticed, he has one or two players that are COMPLETELY one dimensional. These players are totally opposed or unable to adjust. I can NOT be the only one to see this.

[jstrom]

There are a couple points that are actually not statistically accurate:

1) Brandi Raley-Ross, percentage-wise, is THE BEST 3 pt shooter in the country. Before this game he was shooting 68%, the best in the country. Period. I know he went over 50% in this game, but I'm honestly not sure what the updated stats are after this game.
2) Statistically, Downey leads the SEC in PPG, APG, and steals per game. They showed a little graphic during the game, and his numbers were better than all the other SEC PGs they compared him to (which I believe included the Vols PG.

Not talking trash, but the stats speak for themselves. I'm positive that BRR is the best 3 point shooter in the country statistically speaking. Obviously, those numbers can change as the season progresses. I realize this. There is also a chance that the point guard stat comparison they showed in game didn't include the Vols PG, but they were talking about who the best PG in the SEC was, so that should've included the guy from UT.

Someone mentioned something that happened at the end of the game with Coach Cremins. I saw what you were talking about, but I didn't see who said it to him, and obviously there was no audio so I didn't hear either. I did think it was odd that Cremins was seemingly bolting for the locker room. To be honest, my gut reaction was that he was pissed at the ref's, but that's just based on the feeling I got from his reaction, not on any basis of fact.

We showed a lot of heart tongiht, we hung in there and kept fighting. Zam was unblievable tongiht, and Devan came through in the clutch. It was nice to see Chad Gray contributing tonight. I also have to say that Evka was disappointing, he's GOT to learn how to play D... he got stuffed on a lazy layup and then let a guy blow right by him on the next D series. He just looked lazy. 'Nique continues to be a steady performer. All in all, I feel like we took a step forward tonight. We showed more maturity, and our guys seem to be trusting each other more and more. I think this win bodes well for our SEC schedule, despite the fact that this was obviously an inferior opponent. I will remind you guys that CoC made it to their conference championship game last year, so they're weren't a pushover by any means. Great win for our team! Go Cocks!!!

Great Post...the only thing I can add to it is that you missed one aspect of our point guards and their avgs. One in particular just seems to keep shooting regarldess. His percentages absolutely are in the toilet, but he keeps shooting til he gets warm/hot and eventually gets his points. By the time he gets hot (Clemson game for one), we're in a hole that we have to dig out of.

[KadCock]

If we were playing in the Southern Conference this year, I would be excited about our team. But we play in the SEC, a tough, physical conference. If we continue to play defense like we did against CofC, we will be blown off the floor in all 16 conference games.

Do we have talent? Yes, I think we do. But definitely not the top half of the SEC.

[usc1]

I do think South Carolina has the potential, but I still, respectfully, disagree. Devan is a great player, works hard, much like Tre did, but he is maybe an above average guard. As for Raley-Ross, again, I respectfully disagree with you. There is nobody in the country that is as lights out as Chris Lofton (promise that is not the orange kool-aid talking). I am not disrespecting South Carolina; they do have some good players. But I just do not believe you can argue a point that they are capable of competing for a championship.


Your three guards averaging those points means nothing if wins aren't produced. Obviously, defense is an issue. If you can score but can't defend, it means nothing. No offense meant byt hat comment. As for the #1 3pt shooter, that guy resides in Gibbs Hall in Knoxville and wears jersey #5. Like you, I am not impressed with the SEC either. Tennessee, Ole Miss, and Florida, IMO, appear to be the teams to beat, along with Vandy. Miss. State is tough, as is Kentucky, but they are average teams. USC will be tough when we play them, but USC is always tough. Also, what you saw today was UT go into a hostile arena and beat a team that had a 14 game winning streak on it's home floor. We can be beat, no doubt about that. If you watched the Texas game, you would know that by now :). However, we are far and away the best team in the conference and I think we'll be there in march. Not smack talking; just giving my opinion (without the kool-aid). We have, arguably, the deepest bench in the country and if one player is cold, another will catch fire (I cite J.P. Prince as my example from today).


Ummmm wake up man. Maybe that was the case last year but have you paid attention to this year? Chris Lofton is shooting 37%. So I'm not sure where you get him being the no.1 3pt shooter. Raley Ross is the better player...at least he is this year.

[garnet4ever]

Ummmm wake up man. Maybe that was the case last year but have you paid attention to this year? Chris Lofton is shooting 37%. So I'm not sure where you get him being the no.1 3pt shooter. Raley Ross is the better player...at least he is this year.

according to the stats last night Ross is 78% 3 pt shooter ... I believe they also said he is #1 in the nation regarding that stat. you're right usc1 ...

[yorkgamecock05]

gee jstrom...why don't you keep drinking that DO kool-aid...the players have talent...ALL OF THEM...its his fault they arent playing to their potential, thats what coaches are supposed to do, get players to play to their potential

[jstrom]

gee jstrom...why don't you keep drinking that DO kool-aid...the players have talent...ALL OF THEM...its his fault they arent playing to their potential, thats what coaches are supposed to do, get players to play to their potential

They are talented, I agree. Certain players in certain positions dictate the style of play on offense and defense. It is becoming painfully apparent that our pace setters are one dimensional. I do blame DO for allowing the freestyle play to continue though. This is a very undisciplined team, talented or not. It's too bad because as much potential as MOST of these players have to compete in conference play, one bad apple can ruin the bunch.

[WeHailTheeCarolina]

There is nobody in the country that is as lights out as Chris Lofton (promise that is not the orange kool-aid talking).

As for the #1 3pt shooter, that guy resides in Gibbs Hall in Knoxville and wears jersey #5.

Chris Lofton needs to shoot above 40% this season from behind the arc in order to have that title.

[JoeMorrison]

But I just do not believe you can argue a point that they are capable of competing for a championship.

Are you kidding me? Have we not watched enough this year to see that parity exists in so many sports. Yeah, you need talent, but more importantly, you need role players. If we could establish roles with our current lineup, then we are definitely capable. That, and learning how to get back on D.

[CockynTN]

Ummmm wake up man. Maybe that was the case last year but have you paid attention to this year? Chris Lofton is shooting 37%. So I'm not sure where you get him being the no.1 3pt shooter. Raley Ross is the better player...at least he is this year.
Raley-Ross is in no way, shape, or form a better player then Chris Lofton. If you want to rely all of your information on statistics, then be my guest. But if you ask people around the country if they would rather have Brandis Raley-Ross or Chris Lofton...maybe one person would say Brandis, and I would say that only if they were a Cocks fan. I have been watching alot of ball this year and Brandis is a good player, but come on man, he is not better then Chris Lofton. Get real my friend.

There are a couple points that are actually not statistically accurate:

1) Brandi Raley-Ross, percentage-wise, is THE BEST 3 pt shooter in the country. Before this game he was shooting 68%, the best in the country. Period. I know he went over 50% in this game, but I'm honestly not sure what the updated stats are after this game.
2) Statistically, Downey leads the SEC in PPG, APG, and steals per game. They showed a little graphic during the game, and his numbers were better than all the other SEC PGs they compared him to (which I believe included the Vols PG.

Not talking trash, but the stats speak for themselves. I'm positive that BRR is the best 3 point shooter in the country statistically speaking. Obviously, those numbers can change as the season progresses. I realize this. There is also a chance that the point guard stat comparison they showed in game didn't include the Vols PG, but they were talking about who the best PG in the SEC was, so that should've included the guy from UT.
Thats why I don't always rely on statistics; because they are deceiving. Chris Lofton is doing right now what he did last year; starting slow, mainly because we added some more good players and thus, more people are getting more touches. At the end of the year, I promise you Lofton will be one of the best 3 shooters in the country, if not the best. As for your second statement, I don't doubt him being any better then J.P. or Ramar statistically. Again, I attribute this not only to Devan being a good player, but, again, to the fact that we added better players to our roster this year and more players are getting looks. Also, Raley-Ross is not the best 3-point shooter percentage wise in the country according to espn.com; he is 85. However, Robert Wilder (It says he plays for Carolina) is tied for #1 in the country.

Are you kidding me? Have we not watched enough this year to see that parity exists in so many sports. Yeah, you need talent, but more importantly, you need role players. If we could establish roles with our current lineup, then we are definitely capable. That, and learning how to get back on D.
I realize Parity exists and Carolina, according to Parity, is certainly capable of doing what you say they are. However, if we are realistic, they are not capable of it. The way Carolina is playing right now, they maybe lucky to get an N.I.T. bid. Not talking smack, just giving my opinion.

[roosterrizk1]

I realize Parity exists and Carolina, according to Parity, is certainly capable of doing what you say they are. However, if we are realistic, they are not capable of it. The way Carolina is playing right now, they maybe lucky to get an N.I.T. bid. Not talking smack, just giving my opinion.

You are very right. I am expecting we might be good enough to slide into the NIT...

[usc1]

Raley-Ross is in no way, shape, or form a better player then Chris Lofton. If you want to rely all of your information on statistics, then be my guest. But if you ask people around the country if they would rather have Brandis Raley-Ross or Chris Lofton...maybe one person would say Brandis, and I would say that only if they were a Cocks fan. I have been watching alot of ball this year and Brandis is a good player, but come on man, he is not better then Chris Lofton. Get real my friend.


Thats why I don't always rely on statistics; because they are deceiving. Chris Lofton is doing right now what he did last year; starting slow, mainly because we added some more good players and thus, more people are getting more touches. At the end of the year, I promise you Lofton will be one of the best 3 shooters in the country, if not the best. As for your second statement, I don't doubt him being any better then J.P. or Ramar statistically. Again, I attribute this not only to Devan being a good player, but, again, to the fact that we added better players to our roster this year and more players are getting looks. Also, Raley-Ross is not the best 3-point shooter percentage wise in the country according to espn.com; he is 85. However, Robert Wilder (It says he plays for Carolina) is tied for #1 in the country.


I realize Parity exists and Carolina, according to Parity, is certainly capable of doing what you say they are. However, if we are realistic, they are not capable of it. The way Carolina is playing right now, they maybe lucky to get an N.I.T. bid. Not talking smack, just giving my opinion.

Wow dude. You said Chris Lofton is the no.1 3 pt shooter in the SEC. I could quote you but i dont feel like it.

HE IS NOT THE NO.1 3 POINT SHOOTER IN THE SEC.

Brandis Raley-Ross has been lights out this year. He's shooting a very high percentage and doesnt score 20 a game because he doesnt get the ball enough. You can't say Chris Lofton is better.

Robert Wilder is 1 for 1 this year. I cant believe you mentioned that.

Nobody in the country has even come close to what Raley-Ross has done 3-pt shooting wise. 30-44 is without a doubt the best.

Take a look at this and tell me who is the best on here. And dont be ignorant about it.

http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncb/leaders?groupId=50&cat=3pt&sort=PCT

[usc1]

3-pt

Raley Ross- 30-44
Chris Lofton- 37-107

[Spur20001]

The Tenn. guy has it ALL WRONG. Raley-Ross is the number one 3 point shooter in the nation, and I would think he will still be ahead of Lofton at season's end.

Side note: We badly beat Tenn. last season in Columbia and came very close to beating them on the road. I think we will at least split with them this season. Let's see how big, bad Tenn. does when they play Memphis also. I think Memphis will win easily.

[roosterrizk1]

Fredrick finished with a game high 21 points, and Brandis Raley-Ross, who went 4-6 from behind the arc, chipped in 16 points. Raley-Ross is now shooting 68% on three-point attempts this season, best in the nation. In the second half, the Gamecocks went 8-8 from three point land, after going just 1-8 in the first half. The other halftime swing for Carolina was on the glass. The Cougars had a 24-16 rebounding edge, but ....

This was in a article on www.gamecockanthem.com (http://www.gamecockanthem.com) According here Raley - Ross is numero uno. Now I guess it could be wrong but this article is on their home page so I doubt it.

[usc1]

he is no.1 end of story

[uscnoklahoma]

Who cares....I would gladly take Lofton in place of Ross and if you think otherwise....put down the crackpipe.

Jeez...we have one really good player this year and that's it. Just admit it....deep down we all know its true.

We might can beat a few teams from the SEC West if we are lucky and maybe KY.

Unless things change we are going to be below .500. However, the great thing about basketball is you can get on a hot streak. Hopefully, we hit a hot streak soon.

Oh and if there was ever a year to make a run it is this one..the SEC is not very good.

[CoverTwo]

Tennessee will hang with Memphis because they are just as athletic as the Tigers.

The Vols are just lucky that they have those 2 transfers (especially JP Prince) because they would be very average without them

[jstrom]

Who cares....I would gladly take Lofton in place of Ross and if you think otherwise....put down the crackpipe.

Jeez...we have one really good player this year and that's it. Just admit it....deep down we all know its true.



I won't go so far as to say anything personal toward you the way so many on here do when they disagree with people, but both of these statements are ridiculous, IMO. We have 3 SC POY's on the team, not to mention Chad Gray, Archie and Raley-Ross. These guys are extremely good players on any given team.

[usc1]

Who cares....I would gladly take Lofton in place of Ross and if you think otherwise....put down the crackpipe.

Jeez...we have one really good player this year and that's it. Just admit it....deep down we all know its true.

We might can beat a few teams from the SEC West if we are lucky and maybe KY.

Unless things change we are going to be below .500. However, the great thing about basketball is you can get on a hot streak. Hopefully, we hit a hot streak soon.

Oh and if there was ever a year to make a run it is this one..the SEC is not very good.

you've always been a pessimist.

[spartcock77]

RIGHT NOW i probably would like to have Lofton because he is going to get hot most likely and Ross will have to cool down because his numbers are sick, but one thing to remember is that Lofton is a senior and Ross is only a sophmore and with a smart coach that will run plays to get him the ball he has the ability to be better than lofton by the time he is a senior

[Spurred]

I know people are happy about this win. However, I am not. This reminds me of the UNC football game this year. We were playing a team we should have killed but barely won.

[jstrom]

RIGHT NOW i probably would like to have Lofton because he is going to get hot most likely and Ross will have to cool down because his numbers are sick, but one thing to remember is that Lofton is a senior and Ross is only a sophmore and with a smart coach that will run plays to get him the ball he has the ability to be better than lofton by the time he is a senior

To get the ball to Raley-Ross means someone else is going to have to do without. I don't think that player is going to allow that to happen. At this point in the season, it's becoming a trend. Just MO.
Also...to have a guy shooting 70% from 3pt land yet having another guy continually go 1-8 (or worse)...just refuses to stop shooting.

[U-Dub Gamecock]

Did anyone see this??


I looked over at BC when he and Odom were shaking hands.. Cremmins had a smile on his face.. When Downey hit that shot with 2 seconds to go.. BC threw his hands up.. and smiled.. kinda like saying "Damn, hell of a shot"..

[U-Dub Gamecock]

Then suffice it to say that with fans like you we will never win either. "Considering" the last 30 yrs??? Are you kidding me??? I was there when we beat a great KY team TWICE to win the SEC. We also had an Alabama team totally beaten in the SEC tourney final before a certain referree stepped in (and who was subsequently banned from ever calling another Carolina game again)...and gave bama the game. You say we'll never win with DO? Why don't you just go and start up your own psychic hotline with all the other madames out there? When a certain player on this team decides that he's not the be-all and end-all, this team will become much, much better. We have a great, great coach in Odom and a couple of streetballers who got lucky today. You say we could do without Odom...I say there are others we can do without too.


Okay.. 2 decent GD years since 1972.. And both of those years.. we f**ked up and lost to Coppin State and Richmond.. We made history allright.. by being the first team to lose 2 years in a row to a 13 seed or higher..

Come on.. I like Odom.. but look at the Colonial Center.. The place holds 18,000.. and it is usually only 1/3 full.. (There was NO WHERE NEAR 10,841 there yesterday) If you are happy with 1 NCAA appearance every 7 years.... and never being better than 8-8 in the SEC.. Then Odom is your man.. I expect better than that.. and judging by the empty seats in the stands.. so do most Carolina fans..

I dont expect to be a top 10 team.. but there is no excuse we shouldnt be in the top half of the SEC on a routine basis..

[jstrom]

Okay.. 2 decent GD years since 1972.. And both of those years.. we f**ked up and lost to Coppin State and Richmond.. We made history allright.. by being the first team to lose 2 years in a row to a 13 seed or higher..

Come on.. I like Odom.. but look at the Colonial Center.. The place holds 18,000.. and it is usually only 1/3 full.. (There was NO WHERE NEAR 10,841 there yesterday) If you are happy with 1 NCAA appearance every 7 years.... and never being better than 8-8 in the SEC.. Then Odom is your man.. I expect better than that.. and judging by the empty seats in the stands.. so do most Carolina fans..

I dont expect to be a top 10 team.. but there is no excuse we shouldnt be in the top half of the SEC on a routine basis..

I don't think you should conclude the value of a team based solely upon getting into the NCAA tourney nor necessarily how deep a team goes in the tourney. When NC State won the NC with Coach V, they were really not a great team. Some of the teams they beat were great though. Also, Richmond has a history of going deep in the tourney and has been Bobby Cremin's achille's heel over the years...with some outstanding GTech teams. I'm not happy with our record of late, especially with DOdom running things. I do believe he can and will do great things for us given time. He has the best players he's had since being here...and it's a very, very young team. If he can only get Holmes and Muldrow to become BIG players, along with on more outstanding big man, there's not telling what this team can accomplish. Lastly, I also believe Devan has to mature and come to an understanding about his role and even his abilities. Several games he's continued to shoot despite abysmal shooting percentages only to warm up later and "get his points". IMO, that along with improved board play and defensive execution, are our main issues. I do trust that DOdom can do his part. There has to be reasons we're starting to get some premiere players....have to think that DOdom and a new facility are the main ones.

[CockynTN]

Wow dude. You said Chris Lofton is the no.1 3 pt shooter in the SEC. I could quote you but i dont feel like it.

HE IS NOT THE NO.1 3 POINT SHOOTER IN THE SEC.

Brandis Raley-Ross has been lights out this year. He's shooting a very high percentage and doesnt score 20 a game because he doesnt get the ball enough. You can't say Chris Lofton is better.

Robert Wilder is 1 for 1 this year. I cant believe you mentioned that.

Nobody in the country has even come close to what Raley-Ross has done 3-pt shooting wise. 30-44 is without a doubt the best.

Take a look at this and tell me who is the best on here. And dont be ignorant about it.

http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncb/leaders?groupId=50&cat=3pt&sort=PCT
How is it any different then what you are doing? You are just going on statistics. Thats what I am doing. If we go by your system, then I can't believe you said Raley-Ross is the best three-point shooter in the nation, but you did. He has been better, statistically, this year. But hes still not better then Lofton. I'll argue that to the grave with you and at the end of the year, you will see I am correct. Oh, and just because you said I couldn't do it: Chris Lofton is better then Brandis Raley-Ross. However, I really don't care about particular individuals. The team comes before individual players. Do you want to get into a discussion on comparisons between Tennessee and Carolina?

The Tenn. guy has it ALL WRONG. Raley-Ross is the number one 3 point shooter in the nation, and I would think he will still be ahead of Lofton at season's end.

Side note: We badly beat Tenn. last season in Columbia and came very close to beating them on the road. I think we will at least split with them this season. Let's see how big, bad Tenn. does when they play Memphis also. I think Memphis will win easily.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Raley-Ross is 85th in the nation in three-point percentage and shooting. And if you think Memphis will kill us, you are badly mistaken. We are just as athletic as them. They may beat us, but kill us? Go on somewhere with that. Carolina may have beat us last year in Columbia and played us tough in Knoxville, but what does it matter??? We came a point away from being in the Elite 8. Carolina didn't even make the post season. Not smack talking. Just trying to get you to put down the Garnet-Kool-aid and stop being such a homer.

he is no.1 end of story
Wrong again, my friend.

Tennessee will hang with Memphis because they are just as athletic as the Tigers.

The Vols are just lucky that they have those 2 transfers (especially JP Prince) because they would be very average without them
I concur. Prince has been a tremendous contributor.

you've always been a pessimist.
You've always been a homer. You would take Blake Mitchell over Peyton Manning if given the oppurtunity.

[usc1]

How is it any different then what you are doing? You are just going on statistics. Thats what I am doing. If we go by your system, then I can't believe you said Raley-Ross is the best three-point shooter in the nation, but you did. He has been better, statistically, this year. But hes still not better then Lofton. I'll argue that to the grave with you and at the end of the year, you will see I am correct. Oh, and just because you said I couldn't do it: Chris Lofton is better then Brandis Raley-Ross. However, I really don't care about particular individuals. The team comes before individual players. Do you want to get into a discussion on comparisons between Tennessee and Carolina?


Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Raley-Ross is 85th in the nation in three-point percentage and shooting. And if you think Memphis will kill us, you are badly mistaken. We are just as athletic as them. They may beat us, but kill us? Go on somewhere with that. Carolina may have beat us last year in Columbia and played us tough in Knoxville, but what does it matter??? We came a point away from being in the Elite 8. Carolina didn't even make the post season. Not smack talking. Just trying to get you to put down the Garnet-Kool-aid and stop being such a homer.





You've always been a homer. You would take Blake Mitchell over Peyton Manning if given the oppurtunity.

I wasnt talking to you.






Thats so ignorant. Wake up and smell the roses. You know he's not the 85th best 3 pt shooter in the nation and you know Robert Wilder is not the best in the nation.
Raley Ross has played a lot better and shot a lot better than Lofton this year.

[uscnoklahoma]

I won't go so far as to say anything personal toward you the way so many on here do when they disagree with people, but both of these statements are ridiculous, IMO. We have 3 SC POY's on the team, not to mention Chad Gray, Archie and Raley-Ross. These guys are extremely good players on any given team.

Those 3 SC POY aren't looking too hot now are they? Why some of you can't admit we like crap is beyond me. We are staring .500 or sub .500 in the face and some of you are just blissful about it....oh well...extend Odom's contract. :woo::thumbsup:

[jstrom]

[quote=uscnoklahoma]Those 3 SC POY aren't looking too hot now are they? Why some of you can't admit we like crap is beyond me. We are staring .500 or sub .500 in the face and some of you are just blissful about it....oh well...extend Odom's contract. :woo::thumbsup:[/quote

Actually, I think the 3 of them do look pretty good. The weakest of the 3 is the youngest and needs to play physically, the strongest. I don't, however, believe our point guard play best suits the team...actually taking away from it. Yeah, I know he's one of the 3, but his shooting percentages get us into major holes. No, I don't think we look like crap (or like crap...or whatever), but in some areas, we're playing like a bunch of freshmen (which we are). To the point though, we are getting some very good recruits lately. The one area DOdom has lacked since being here, however, is the good inside BIG man.

[CockynTN]

I wasnt talking to you.






Thats so ignorant. Wake up and smell the roses. You know he's not the 85th best 3 pt shooter in the nation and you know Robert Wilder is not the best in the nation.
Raley Ross has played a lot better and shot a lot better than Lofton this year.
I don't care if you were talking to me or not, uscnoklahoma is the most objective poster on this board; everyone of you attack him if he ever says the first bad thing about Carolina. So I have his back anytime anyone of you homers attack him. As for your love affair with Raley-Ross, if we go by what you seem to like doing, and thats basing all of your information on stats, then Brandis Raley-Ross is the 85th best shooter in the nation. My common sense tells me other wise, but according to your system of unreliable statistics, he is. So don't chastise me for doing the very thing you have been doing throughout this whole little debate. Agreed, he has shot better then Lofton this year, but is he better then Lofton? Hell no. And it is ignorant to think that he is.

[CockynTN]

Actually, I think the 3 of them do look pretty good. The weakest of the 3 is the youngest and needs to play physically, the strongest. I don't, however, believe our point guard play best suits the team...actually taking away from it. Yeah, I know he's one of the 3, but his shooting percentages get us into major holes. No, I don't think we look like crap (or like crap...or whatever), but in some areas, we're playing like a bunch of freshmen (which we are). To the point though, we are getting some very good recruits lately. The one area DOdom has lacked since being here, however, is the good inside BIG man.
Hard to justify that statement.

[IBleedGarnetandBlack]

I don't care if you were talking to me or not, uscnoklahoma is the most objective poster on this board; everyone of you attack him if he ever says the first bad thing about Carolina. So I have his back anytime anyone of you homers attack him. As for your love affair with Raley-Ross, if we go by what you seem to like doing, and thats basing all of your information on stats, then Brandis Raley-Ross is the 85th best shooter in the nation. My common sense tells me other wise, but according to your system of unreliable statistics, he is. So don't chastise me for doing the very thing you have been doing throughout this whole little debate. Agreed, he has shot better then Lofton this year, but is he better then Lofton? Hell no. And it is ignorant to think that he is.

I'm not here to argue with you but that statistic page you showed doesn't take into effect the number of shots taken. For example in punting last year Ryan had to few punts to be considered statistically. You have half of those 84 above BRR that have shot like 1 three.

[CockynTN]

I'm not here to argue with you but that statistic page you showed doesn't take into effect the number of shots taken. For example in punting last year Ryan had to few punts to be considered statistically. You have half of those 84 above BRR that have shot like 1 three.
Yes, I agree with you, but when this debate kind of sprung up, I was trying to make the point that stats are deceiving. However, usc1 was conflicting what I was trying to prove, so I made my point by saying that about BRR. Hopefully, my point has made itself by now.

[uscnoklahoma]

[quote=uscnoklahoma]Those 3 SC POY aren't looking too hot now are they? Why some of you can't admit we like crap is beyond me. We are staring .500 or sub .500 in the face and some of you are just blissful about it....oh well...extend Odom's contract. :woo::thumbsup:[/quote

Actually, I think the 3 of them do look pretty good. The weakest of the 3 is the youngest and needs to play physically, the strongest. I don't, however, believe our point guard play best suits the team...actually taking away from it. Yeah, I know he's one of the 3, but his shooting percentages get us into major holes. No, I don't think we look like crap (or like crap...or whatever), but in some areas, we're playing like a bunch of freshmen (which we are). To the point though, we are getting some very good recruits lately. The one area DOdom has lacked since being here, however, is the good inside BIG man.

I guess my definition of good and crap is different than yours....our football team looked like crap, our basketball team looks like crap.....watch the Yardcocks and you will see the meaning of good. :woo: No crap from Tanner :-x