Poll: Cremins?

[cocknblue]

Just out of curiosity, I would like to know how many people on this board would consider giving Bobby Cremmins another shot at our head coaching job.

I think it would be a huge mistake to offer him the job, but I'm not opposed to talking to him to get his thoughts on other coaches.

[usc90grad]

Not just NO, but HELL NO! Bobby "Benedict" Cremins stabbed us in the back before and he shouldn't be given the time of day.

:-x

[ductman2]

he had his chance.

[Forkcock]

Hell NO! Absolutely NOT! He had his chance and embarrassed our university.

[Hondocock]

I have no animosity toward Cremins. He is a great Gamecock, and I forgave him years ago for his mistake. He is not who we need as our next coach though.

[carolinathru&thru]

Listen. You can only hold a grudge for so long. He loves the University. He repped us as a commentator before he took the C of C job. He's a good guy. I don't know why everyone would be so up in arms if he came here. He PLAYED here. How can you cheer for someone when they play for your team but then boo them if they are coaching?


But, I don't know that he should become our coach because I'm sure it would be a bad start right from the get-go BECAUSE so many fans harbour a strong grudge against him.

I'm also not sure that he would leave College of Charelston. And, even if he wanted to come here, I'd rather have a young coach (ie Marshall or Anthony Grant) over Cremmins.

[Forkcock]

Listen. You can only hold a grudge for so long. He loves the University. He repped us as a commentator before he took the C of C job. He's a good guy. I don't know why everyone would be so up in arms if he came here. He PLAYED here. How can you cheer for someone when they play for your team but then boo them if they are coaching?


But, I don't know that he should become our coach because I'm sure it would be a bad start right from the get-go BECAUSE so many fans harbour a strong grudge against him.

I'm also not sure that he would leave College of Charelston. And, even if he wanted to come here, I'd rather have a young coach (ie Marshall or Anthony Grant) over Cremmins.


I'm very well aware that he played here. I watched him play here. I also remember the fallout that came after he accepted the job for a few days and then hauled ass back to Atlanta. People all over the country where wondering just what it was that Bobby saw that caused him to turn us down.

[PyroPepper]

Mike Dunleavy. Just sayin.

[usc90grad]

Someone said in another thread that a coach's conference record is what matters the most. Well Cremin's conference record in the ACC was 134-150.

Next.....

[airforcecocky]

I dont know if it's him or not but I just want someone who has REAL ties to the university.

[Snake]

He had his chance........we need a young coach to bring some energy to the sidelines

[mickeyrivers]

i vote "no," but not for any reason other than that i don't think he is the right coach. he's old and past his coaching prime. we already have a coach like that in dave odom.

it would have been a great hire like 15-20 years ago. not now.

for the record i think all gamecock fans that are still angry with him need to get over themselves and go ahead and forgive cremins and welcome him back... just not as coach.

[roosterrizk1]

Too old. Marshall or Grant .....

[Snake]

for the record i think all gamecock fans that are still angry with him need to get over themselves and go ahead and forgive cremins and welcome him back... just not as coach.I agree.....he spent more years in Atlanta than he did here.

We all make mistakes......those that are still angry need to get a life.

Keep in mind that we did win an SEC Title 4 years after he decided not to coach......so it wasn't like we missed a beat because of his decision to stay at Georgia Tech.

I like Cremins and I would rather him change his mind and stay where his heart was than coach here when he didn't want to be here

[PyroPepper]

I dont know if it's him or not but I just want someone who has REAL ties to the university.

Mike Dunleavy

[FoghornLeghornCock]

I have no animosity toward Cremins. He is a great Gamecock, and I forgave him years ago for his mistake. He is not who we need as our next coach though.

I love Bobby Cremins, but Gamecock basketball is sick and fragmented we need a candidate like Spurrier or Brian VanGorder that we all can come together on. We need somebody to give our full support to and will bring fans back into the fold not cause bickering from day one.

[diehardgamecock]

i think the poll question is unfair.....just because the thread's author (apparently) harbors ill-will towards cremins because of his past actions, doesn't mean that the whole of gamecock nation, or the posters on this site, does.



with that said, i do not think that cremins is the right hire at this point in time. i also do not think that he will be a serious candidate.

to be honest, i'm more worried about dougherty being hired than i am cremins.....i think that one is more likely to happen.

[TheGuitarCock]

:lol: :thumbs:

[UgSaCmecocks]

Listen. You can only hold a grudge for so long. He loves the University. He repped us as a commentator before he took the C of C job. He's a good guy. I don't know why everyone would be so up in arms if he came here. He PLAYED here. How can you cheer for someone when they play for your team but then boo them if they are coaching?


But, I don't know that he should become our coach because I'm sure it would be a bad start right from the get-go BECAUSE so many fans harbour a strong grudge against him.

I'm also not sure that he would leave College of Charelston. And, even if he wanted to come here, I'd rather have a young coach (ie Marshall or Anthony Grant) over Cremmins.

Right on man! I was one who when it happend thought how could he do this to us. But there were family issues guys. I respect a man who listens to his family over a JOB. I would love to forgive the past and hire him but I also agree w/ this post that we need to build for a future and not for someone looking for a retirement home as the last two BB coaches. I would love to have someone w/ a Gamecock background as well someone who has the same heart and feelings we do about our University. All these filler coaches who graduated from somewhere else and loyaltys lie elsewhere just rub me the wrong way. IMO

[usc90grad]

i think the poll question is unfair.....just because the thread's author (apparently) harbors ill-will towards cremins because of his past actions, doesn't mean that the whole of gamecock nation, or the posters on this site, does.

How is a "YES/NO" poll unfair?

Just because you don't agree with cocknblue's comments about Cremins doesn't mean this isn't a great poll and discussion.

[TheMule]

to be honest, i'm more worried about dougherty being hired than i am cremins.....i think that one is more likely to happen.

That would be the death knell of USC basketball.

As for Cremmins...too old, not to mention the previous incident. Definitely someone under 50, preferably younger. We need someone with the energy to back up his enthusiasm.
IF Hyman wants someone with ties to the university, I'd go after Alex English, Mike Dunleavy, or "Grits" Winters.
My preferences are Grant or Marshall. Would prefer Marshall only because I feel that he would stay here for the rest of his career...assuming that he is successful.

[UgSaCmecocks]

Mike Dunleavy. Just sayin.

Hey I'm all for that....but it will never happend!
Just like we will never get Spurrier..oops we did!

[hardcock2]

NO!...it's time for a younger, firery coach.....and please GOD....NO Matt Dougherty!!!!!:-x


Grant or Marshall!

[UgSaCmecocks]

Sorry to post again, but I was just thinking.. Cremins loves the University, that is why he took the job to begin with. As I stated above it was family issues that kept him away.
Now on a more serious note: While I would love to hire a younger coach, why not Cremins? He at this point would have so much more motivation than anyone to prove himself. He more than anyone knows the mental obstical he has to get over for those who have turned their backs on him as a Gamecock. Sadly but true we can't change the past but to hire him wouldn't be as bad as so many of you are making it out to be!

[garnet4ever]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO forget him ...

[diehardgamecock]

How is a "YES/NO" poll unfair?

Just because you don't agree with cocknblue's comments about Cremins doesn't mean this isn't a great poll and discussion.




my point wasn't tough to understand.....perhaps you didn't read the poll options clearly enough.


they are:


"yes. he is a proven winner and an alumnus"

"no. he had his shot and turned it down"





so, if i don't think cremins is the right coach, yet i harbor no ill-will towards him or have reasoning that extends beyond the fact that he "had his shot", i cannot vote in the poll.

that makes the poll question biased and unfair. there are other reasons not to hire the man other than because he "had his shot and turned it down"






again, it wasn't really a difficult point to understand....perhaps you just didn't read the poll options clearly enough.

[Spur's Addiction]

I don't have a problem with Cremins for what he did some 15 years ago. I'm over it. BUt I just feel like he is not what we need right now.

We need a young guy that is energetic and will build this program and stay here for the long haul. Not someone who will retire in 5-6 years.

[diehardgamecock]

I don't have a problem with Cremins for what he did some 15 years ago. I'm over it. BUt I just feel like he is not what we need right now.



same here, but that's not a poll option.



that was my point, usc90grad.....

[usc90grad]

my point wasn't tough to understand.....perhaps you didn't read the poll options clearly enough.


they are:


"yes. he is a proven winner and an alumnus"

"no. he had his shot and turned it down"





so, if i don't think cremins is the right coach, yet i harbor no ill-will towards him or have reasoning that extends beyond the fact that he "had his shot", i cannot vote in the poll.

that makes the poll question biased and unfair. there are other reasons not to hire the man other than because he "had his shot and turned it down"






again, it wasn't really a difficult point to understand....perhaps you just didn't read the poll options clearly enough.

So when two candidate are running for office and you don't like either one of them, what do you do?

[NYCGamecox]

How is a "YES/NO" poll unfair?

Just because you don't agree with cocknblue's comments about Cremins doesn't mean this isn't a great poll and discussion.

I can't speak for Diehard, but I think I know what he's saying...

Do I think we should "consider hiring Bobby Cremins as head basketball coach?" - No, I don't think he should be at the top of the list. We should look for a young coach who can bring some excitement to the program (I believe Cremins made a similar comment when asked recently)

However, the poll options don't allow for that answer. It's basically, "yes" because he's a proven winner or "no" because he said "no" to us in the past. To answer "no" to the poll question lends the opinion that one doesn't want to hire him because he jilted us once before (when, in fact, many don't feel that way).

EDIT: Looks like Diehard answered himself while I was typing. So, to your question about two candidates and choosing... your choice and your reasoning for making the choice are two different things. Many would say don't go with Cremins at this point. However, the reasoning behind making that choice is what this particular poll is about... and we're lacking one major choice ("No, because we need a young coach to build the program.")

[diehardgamecock]

So when two candidate are running for office and you don't like either one of them, what do you do?


that makes no sense....certainly not as it relates to my point.

[diehardgamecock]

I can't speak for Diehard, but I think I know what he's saying...

Do I think we should "consider hiring Bobby Cremins as head basketball coach?" - No, I don't think he should be at the top of the list. We should look for a young coach who can bring some excitement to the program (I believe Cremins made a similar comment when asked recently)

However, the poll options don't allow for that answer. It's basically, "yes" because he's a proven winner or "no" because he said "no" to us in the past. To answer "no" to the poll question lends the opinion that one doesn't want to hire him because he jilted us once before (when, in fact, many don't feel that way).



thank you.

[usc90grad]

that makes no sense....certainly not as it relates to my point.

It makes perfect sense. If you don't like the choices, you don't vote. Pretty simple really.

[diehardgamecock]

It makes perfect sense. If you don't like the choices, you don't vote. Pretty simple really.




unfair. biased. period.

[willy]

Why do you ask a bunch of immature teenagers, such as we have on this board such a difficult question. Most of them do not know who Bobby Cremins is Much less the circumstances that were involved when he told us no, thanks once again to McGee. BOBBY CREMINS IS A USC ALUMNI, AND LOVES THE SCHOOL VERY MUCH. No lets go out and hire another Dave Odom.

[diehardgamecock]

the question of whether or not we want cremins is not a difficult one to answer, but unfortunately the poll questions only allow for two very specific answers...

[TheGuitarCock]

What happened 15 years ago?

[diehardgamecock]

thanks once again to McGee.



how was it mcgee's fault? bobby had a change of heart due to several reasons, but i don't know that mcgee was one of them...

[PyroPepper]

I say hire no one whose hair is whiter than my ass!

[Spur's Addiction]

What happened 15 years ago?
Long story short... He signed up to be our next coach, then about two days later he said no thanks and went back to G.Tech. Some fans have not gotten over it. I was upset with him for a while but honestly, I am over it now.

[Spur's Addiction]

I added a third option for those of us who felt like "none of the above" . But the poll is probably too skewed already since it was not an option fromt he start.

[diehardgamecock]

i think the poll question is unfair.....just because the thread's author (apparently) harbors ill-will towards cremins because of his past actions, doesn't mean that the whole of gamecock nation, or the posters on this site, does.




just so there's no misunderstanding later (after i'm away from this thread), i wasn't trying to bang on the thread's author.....i'm sure he just didn't think about any other options when he started the poll.

[diehardgamecock]

I added a third option for those of us who felt like "none of the above" . But the poll is probably too skewed already since it was not an option fromt he start.



thanks for that.....i have now voted.

[CoverTwo]

If we decided to hire him, I wouldnt be disappointed..I think he is still a solid coach that will be able to recruit with the best..but I just worry about how long he is going to be energized...It seems that the only drawback is his age..Also, he is a step down from Odom as far as X's & O's..Dont get it twisted, he won a lot of those games at Tech because of talent that he brought in (Dennis Scott, Kenny Anderson, Stephon Marbury, etc)

But he does fit the type of coach some Gamecock fans want:

1. USC Alum
2. Proven winner
3. Recruiter

[usc90grad]

Long story short... He signed up to be our next coach, then about two days later he said no thanks and went back to G.Tech. Some fans have not gotten over it. I was upset with him for a while but honestly, I am over it now.

You got the jest, except how he snuck out of town without telling anyone.

[SC Sandlapper]

I am not "over" his flaky behavior several years ago. I revere BC as a former Gamecock great but I don't trust his character or his judgment after that episode.

Second, I would rather see us get an up-and-coming coach on the rise than one who's already peaked and very possibly has his best years behind him.

[diehardgamecock]

Second, I would rather see us get an up-and-coming coach on the rise than one who's already peaked and very possibly has his best years behind him.


bingo.

[NYCGamecox]

You got the jest, except how he snuck out of town without telling anyone.

Well, that's true to an extent. He did drive back to Atlanta before announcing his decision to return to GT, but we weren't in the dark as to what was going on.

The New York Times

March 28, 1993

COLLEGE BASKETBALL; Cremins Makes An About Face


Bobby Cremins was the only coach who could have made South Carolina basketball players and fans so happy.

But today he stunned them when he spurned his alma mater and decided to quit the Gamecocks job he had for only three days and return to Georgia Tech.

Cremins, who starred at South Carolina from 1968 to 1970, was welcomed with a festive news conference Wednesday that resembled a homecoming more than a simple coach hiring.

'I Made a Mistake'

This time, a simple handwritten statement to his agent, Richard Howell, outlined what Cremins said was his desire to live up to the values he had preached to his Georgia Tech players.

"I made a mistake and this is the most embarrassing moment of my life," said Cremins, who returned to Atlanta with his wife on Friday.
He said he was amazed at his reception here, but spent the next two days thinking of his players at Georgia Tech.

"I felt I had broken my promise and had deserted them," Cremins said. "Everything I preached to them about, I went against."

Overture From Tech

South Carolina Athletics Director Mike McGee said he got a call from Cremins at 8:30 A.M. Friday, in which the coach said he was offered the chance to come back to Georgia Tech by the athletic director, Homer Rice.

McGee said he and Cremins met for most of the morning. McGee also talked to Rice and asked that Cremins be given more time to decide about returning to Atlanta. Rice agreed to allow Cremins an extra 24 hours before deciding, McGee said.

"I was concerned Bobby had not slept over a period of several days, and that he was obviously in a good deal of distress," McGee said. "We tried to support him in every way possible."

A Long Drive

Cremins went back to the basketball office at the Carolina Coliseum and met his wife, Carolyn. The two drove back to Atlanta on Friday night.
McGee said he got a call from Cremins at 7:30 this morning and received a statement detailing his decision about two hours later.

McGee said that he knew Cremins had talked with Georgia Tech several times, but that Rice never called South Carolina's athletic department.
"He had agreed to become our coach and I received no contact from Georgia Tech for permission to communicate with him," McGee said.

No Further Action

Cremins had agreed to a five-year contract worth $106,928 a season but had not signed the pact. McGee said the coach assured him before the welcoming news conference on Wednesday that he was certain of his decision and a signed deal would soon follow.

South Carolina's president, John Palms, speaking from a conference in St. Petersburg, Fla., said that Cremins's choice was a personal matter and that the university would not pursue action against him.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CEFDE123CF93BA15750C0A9659582 60

[roosterrizk1]

To old ... simple as that ...

[cocknblue]

just so there's no misunderstanding later (after i'm away from this thread), i wasn't trying to bang on the thread's author.....i'm sure he just didn't think about any other options when he started the poll.
Hmmm....do I harbor ill-will towards Bobby?

Not really. I just don't think he's the right man for the job. Like others, I wish we had hired him back in 1980 when he was still at App State. But, we went with Foster instead. Hindsight 20-20, I guess

[65-38-4?]

cremins isnt even doing that good a job at cofc..i live down here in charleston and they lost to a bottom dwellar furman who is 3-15...hes washed up

[NYCGamecox]

cremins isnt even doing that good a job at cofc..i live down here in charleston and they lost to a bottom dwellar furman who is 3-15...hes washed up

At 9-9, they have some work to do to have a good year. However, they were 22-11 last year (they hadn't even reached 20 wins in the two seasons preceding Cremins' arrival last year). They're not having a great year, but he's far from washed up.

[65-38-4?]

At 9-9, they have some work to do to have a good year. However, they were 22-11 last year (they hadn't even reached 20 wins in the three seasons preceding Cremins' arrival last year). They're not having a great year, but he's far from washed up.

he was playing with herons recruits..hes playing with his recruits right now

[evilpoptart]

We dont need another coach who has already peaked. We need someone young/energetic that will get people excited about Carolina basketball.

[NYCGamecox]

he was playing with herons recruits..hes playing with his recruits right now

I don't really follow CofC basketball too closely... mostly just take notice of their game scores. However, given that this is only his second season there, if "he's playing with his recruits", that tells you what was left when he got there (a good senior class without much depth in the classes that followed). As he was hired in July 2006, he didn't have time to put together much of a recruiting class his first year. That's why he has 6 freshmen on the roster this year.

Of the 7 players who have played every game, here's the class breakdown:

Freshmen: 3
Sophomores: 1
Juniors: 3He also has 1 freshman who has seen a good number of minutes in 14 games.

So, from that, it tells me that the team is young (as would be his recruits).

[willy]

That would be the death knell of USC basketball.

As for Cremmins...too old, not to mention the previous incident. Definitely someone under 50, preferably younger. We need someone with the energy to back up his enthusiasm.
IF Hyman wants someone with ties to the university, I'd go after Alex English, Mike Dunleavy, or "Grits" Winters.
My preferences are Grant or Marshall. Would prefer Marshall only because I feel that he would stay here for the rest of his career...assuming that he is successful.



Cremins is to old and you want Mike Dunleavy?

[Cruzer]

I dont know if it's him or not but I just want someone who has REAL ties to the university.

Why someone with ties to the University? I think we need the best coach we can get. No matter where he's from.

[Hondocock]

Why someone with ties to the University? I think we need the best coach we can get. No matter where he's from.

I agree. Why on earth would you eliminate well over 95% of the potential candidates? I too want the best one we can hire, not just the best one who has some tie to USC.

[USCya]

Message thread name = "Poll Cremins"

Synonymous with "Screw Cremins"

[TheMule]

As for Cremmins...too old, not to mention the previous incident. Definitely someone under 50, preferably younger. We need someone with the energy to back up his enthusiasm.
IF Hyman wants someone with ties to the university, I'd go after Alex English, Mike Dunleavy, or "Grits" Winters.
My preferences are Grant or Marshall. Would prefer Marshall only because I feel that he would stay here for the rest of his career...assuming that he is successful.

Cremins is to old and you want Mike Dunleavy?

Read it again, chief. My preference is someone under 50, ie, Grant or Marshall. The guy at Baylor, age 37, has done an unbelievable job but I get a gut feeling that he's probation waiting to happen.
Many have mentioned someone with ties to USC. IMO, the three I mentioned are the only viable candidates unless Hyman would like to give George Felton a second tour. BTW, all four are over 50. For my money, they're all too old.

[ShutTheSuccop]

I'll take choice #4....HELL NO

Even though SC is somewhat of a retirement location, we sure as hell don't need to be the school where coaches come to retire...plus his ship sailed years ago

[usc89]

Bobby Cremins IS a Gamecock, will ALWAYS be one, and I don't view his acceptance and change of heart as anything but just what he said it was at the time---he had some kids at Tech who were counting on him and he decided not to let them down. I don't care who you are, you've gotta respect that!

IF Bobby would be so kind as to come home again, WE, the Gamecock community and alumns, should EMBRACE him! ONCE a Gamecock, ALWAYS a Gamecock! THIS sort of loyalty is what's been sadly missing from our U for a long time! We can and should reclaim it by asking Bobby to either be our head coach or help us search for one HE would hire!

Then, we can reclaim our place as a GREAT university!

GO COCKS! NOW AND FOREVER!

[bioniccock]

He had his chance........we need a young coach to bring some energy to the sidelines

Yes, sigh, we wouldn't want a Roy Williams! As for Bobby, we would be lucky to have him for a coach. If we hire Gregg Marshall, we will be hiring his replacement within 5 years.

[diehardgamecock]

If we hire Gregg Marshall, we will be hiring his replacement within 5 years.



and if we hire bobby cremins, we'll be doing the same thing.

[upstate gamecock]

Thanks but no thanks....Bobby C is not a good fit. We need a young and exciting guy to relate to the young high school kids. (Anthony Grant)

[usc90grad]

Bobby Cremins IS a cock, will ALWAYS be one

fixed it for ya

[bioniccock]

and if we hire bobby cremins, we'll be doing the same thing.

Give Bobby 5 years at C of C and he will be handing us our asses in basketball!

[roosterrizk1]

Bobby was stinking it up his last few years at GT, don't know why you would expect him to come in here and do any different. He is not a good fit anymore. I do not dislike Bobby and IF he was 45-50 years old I would maybe agree with you but his time has came and went. You need to research his last few years at Tech and you will see that his career was on its way down .... Like I said, I have no problem with Cremins but I just don't feel he is the right man for the SC job.

[willy]

Give Bobby 5 years at C of C and he will be handing us our asses in basketball!



It won't take Bobby 5 years, I would say by next year that will happen.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[SwampFox]

What Bobby did to his alma mater was something that you just do not do. You can forgive, but you cannot forget, and you sure as sh!t don't give someone that has done something as low as what he did a second chance.

[willy]

What Bobby did to his alma mater was something that you just do not do. You can forgive, but you cannot forget, and your sure as sh!t don't give someone that has done something as low as what he did a second chance.



I doubt that you even know what he did or why he did it, what you are spouting is just what you have heard. HE IS A GAMECOCK AND DESERVES BETTER.

[ColaCock]

uh oh...

IBTL

[dshocker]

I wanted him back when, but not now. BTW...I have forgiven him.

[usc89]

I prefer my original quote, thanks very much. Bobby Cremins was a member of some of the greatest teams SC has EVER put on the floor, and just because McGee talked him into coming here and he had second thoughts, you really shouldn't "ding" him for that. If he had stayed but not given us 100%, you'd be even more upset.

I didn't like this situation any more than you did, but I do understand that, in life, there are times when you have a great situation but the timing isn't right. Now that times have changed, Cremins deserves our consideration, should he desire to come here.

News flash! Since what happened to Odom, he may NOT want to come to Carolina. In fact, all good coaches may take a deep breath before they give us a second look.

We're going to be lucky to get a decent coach here, given how stupid our fans began to act with Coach Odom, on message boards, etc. We all have the right to demand excellence, but said excellence begins with the players themselves. If they won't give it their all, USC should be empowered to revoke scholarships. That would resolve this "don't care attitude" problem once and forever.

Go Cocks!

[bioniccock]

Bobby was stinking it up his last few years at GT, don't know why you would expect him to come in here and do any different. He is not a good fit anymore. I do not dislike Bobby and IF he was 45-50 years old I would maybe agree with you but his time has came and went. You need to research his last few years at Tech and you will see that his career was on its way down .... Like I said, I have no problem with Cremins but I just don't feel he is the right man for the SC job.

Coach McGuire did a little stinking at times also. What's your point? So did Smith! Casey as well! Knight! Bobby also won a few ACC championships and NCAA games in a real conference!

[bioniccock]

I doubt that you even know what he did or why he did it, what you are spouting is just what you have heard. HE IS A GAMECOCK AND DESERVES BETTER.

What Willy said and said well!

[roosterrizk1]

Bobby is washed up guys. I hate that you cannot see it but most can. The guy is 60 years old. He was not getting things done his last 3/4 years at Tech. Why would you think he has gotten better all of a sudden. He left GT on the down swing of his career, not the up swing. Personally, I could careless about what he did to anyone in the past including USC and yes he is a great Gamecock but that does not make him the right Coach for the job. As far as him leaving USC at the alter who cares, thats been over a decade ago. Anyhow, if we hire someone older than 50 Bobby would be at the top of my list BUT I prefer to go with a younger guy.

[diehardgamecock]

Give Bobby 5 years at C of C and he will be handing us our asses in basketball!




dave odom just retired...

[Luke Skycocker]

nobody really wants him here

[Forkcock]

Maybe Bobby could just help us get Grant.

[SwampFox]

I doubt that you even know what he did or why he did it, what you are spouting is just what you have heard. HE IS A GAMECOCK AND DESERVES BETTER.

Willy, I know good and damn well what he did. I lived in Columbia then and was on staff at the University. Where were you when this happened?

Bobby got our hopes up and then he smashed them. He gave his word to his alma mater and then went back on it. Just what good is a person who will do something like that?

[bioniccock]

nobody really wants him here

Speak for yourself! Bobby Knight(68 years old) is too old also, isn't he? Someone needs to tell that to his employer in Texas. I know Bobby Cremins personally, and he is not close to being "washed up"!

[bioniccock]

Willy, I know good and damn well what he did. I lived in Columbia then and was on staff at the University. Where were you when this happened?

Bobby got our hopes up and then he smashed them. He gave his word to his alma mater and then went back on it. Just what good is a person who will do something like that?

He also had made promises FIRST to his players at Tec and decided he had to keep his word to them. He answered Carolina with his heart and not his head. Sounds like he did the right thing even if I and others didn't like it. Bobby is obviously a better person than you. He doesn't hold grudges which is something you can't say. He made a mistake. Get over it! He has. I have and so have many others. Sorry I even got into this thread. Bobby doesn't need me to defend him.

[Cocky2001]

Wow...the hatred being expressed here to one of our own is downright depressing. Yes Bobby caused us a little embarassment back 15 years ago. Yes, I was appauled at the time. When I heard his reasoning, I felt bad for the guy. He wanted to help his alma mater...he wanted to try and fill his mentor's shoes...but, his family, his wife and kids, revolted...and he did what he had to do.

Sure he should have discussed it with them more before announcing...but, he acted with his heart and their initial approval.

What saddens me is the venom expressed to someone that has walked the same halls, slept in the same dorms, and sat in the same classrooms as we have. Not only that, but he helped Frank in building that house that everyone seems to want our basketball team to move back to.

He made a mistake, it's time for a few stragglers to get over it!

Do I think he is the direction we need to go? No.

I do see a scenario where he could come in...recruit (which he does quite well!), build the team up, get us a 'big man'...and then pass it off to a young up and comer.

He would improve our basketball program...immensely!

Not only that, but his presence on our sidelines would go a long way in rebuilding some bridges that were burned long ago...even if he were only here two years. It would also show a really good face to the public in that we (the university) had put the events of the early 90's behind us.

But, if we could get ...Marshall and Grant are the two that I keep hearing... why not let them come in and do it themselves.

Keep in mind, Holderman snubbed Bobby first...that is not why Bobby did what he did, but, it weighs heavy on my mind.

I would welcome Bobby Cremins with open arms as our new HC...and I could see it really helping us. But, I don't see that happening. I will say that if I heard that news tomorrow, I would be as happy as I was the day that I heard that Spurrier was coming here.

What saddens me though, is the venom...the hatred...the inability to forgive that I see expressed throughout this thread. That's bigger than sports...and that is sad.

[SwampFox]

He also had made promises FIRST to his players at Tec and decided he had to keep his word to them.
I agree he made a mistake in accepting the job with USC. While I did get over it, I don't see BC ever getting another chance to coach Carolina. He stepped on too many toes and made too many people very mad, (but then some people take getting dumped personally).

[roosterrizk1]

Bobby Cremins is no Bobby Knight ....

[usc89]

Bioni,
You did an excellent job of putting into words what I thought as well.

I've found that a lot of people on these sites don't understand sports or the psychology that surrounds them. Thanks for the clarification!

[bioniccock]

Bobby Cremins is no Bobby Knight ....

He certainly isn't and thank god for that! But, he is just as good a coach and a hell of a better person.

[bioniccock]

Bioni,
You did an excellent job of putting into words what I thought as well.

I've found that a lot of people on these sites don't understand sports or the psychology that surrounds them. Thanks for the clarification!

Thanks. Bobby was a mess that day, especially after Coach chewed on his arse for a good while. His heart said Carolina, his head and moral fiber said "keep your word to the players," His marriage and family said "we aren't moving now, etc". Easily the worst day of his life trying to make all he loved happy. In the end, noone was happy. I believe that Bobby was never completely himself after that. It may have been why things went bad for him at Tech! Anyway, to know Bobby is to love him. He is a good guy. One last thing: I could out rebound him. He will deny it, but it's true!:thumbsup: :wink:

[poopsidoo]

I would definately give him the job. Everyone wants to embrace our successful past.....

[saxcock]

NO. Cremins is too old and he is basically finished. He would only buy us a year or two maybe. Love the alumni thing, but bring him back as an administrator or something like that.

[ucan'tlickourcocks]

Bobby who?

LOL