Roger Clemens Thread

[SpurFever2009]

Is anyone listening or watching this on ESPN?

Mr. Clemens is screwed.

[WayzUp]

I'm not...can you give a nutshell update??

[kokocock]

he's trying to make it sound like everyone else is either lying, misunderstood a conversion, misheard a conversion, he forgot a conversation, he forgot an event....yeah, he's screwed!!!

[The Dude]

I'm watching it on CSPAN3

He loved to explain Pettite's testimony as him "misremembering"
LOL

[ShutTheSuccop]

nice, keep the updates coming...I hate it that I forgot to record it this AM. I hate that f'er. When he son was playing rookie league ball here in the Appalachain league, he came to see his son's astros team play here in kingsport...I was at the game and he yelled at a little kid who dared to ask him for an autograph...

I hope his ass rots in jail

[SpurFever2009]

If you want a recap...here's a link to Jayson Starks blog

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3243182&name=congressional_hearings

[SpurFever2009]

all i hear from roger is "uhh...well...misremember...uhh...blah"

[usc90grad]

He's finished....especially after running his mouth and telling everyone he never used HGH.

:loser:

[usc90grad]

nice, keep the updates coming...I hate it that I forgot to record it this AM. I hate that f'er. When he son was playing rookie league ball here in the Appalachain league, he came to see his son's astros team play here in kingsport...I was at the game and he yelled at a little kid who dared to ask him for an autograph...

I hope his ass rots in jail

you can listen online....

[hardcock2]

It's funny how Clemens and Pettite are such close friends.....yet, it's Pettite's words that are ultimately gonna shoot the Rocket down.

...and good!

[Gearhead]

I don't believe Clemens or Mcnamee. I think they are both hacks.

[ChucktwnLawCock]

I dont think Clemens is a screwed as it seems...this hearing has made McNamee look like a liar...What jury can believe McNamee who is no stranger to lying, and is cleary changing is story everytime it benifits him. But yes, the Petite deal, does hurt him...

...and why save ciringes for 7-8 years if you truley do not want to HURT someone? thats odd to me.... anyways...

[The Dude]

Rep. Bruce Braley (D-Iowa) just asked if Clemens had ever been a vegetarian, Clemens said "No sir"
He then asked if he had ever been a vegan

Clemson juust kind of stammers, and then says "I dont know what that is..."

LOL funny stuff

the reason for asking is apparently medical studies have showed B-12 shots are helpful to vegetarians and vegans due to their bodies stop producing it naturally.

[97srad750]

I dont think Clemens is a screwed as it seems...this hearing has made McNamee look like a liar...What jury can believe McNamee who is no stranger to lying, and is cleary changing is story everytime it benifits him. But yes, the Petite deal, does hurt him...

...and why save ciringes for 7-8 years if you truley do not want to HURT someone? thats odd to me.... anyways...

None of those lies have been under oath.

[gamecockfinatic2007]

I thought the "If you want to find me you can" spill was awesome...Being found in a ground blind in South Texas is no easy feat.

[usc90grad]

...and why save ciringes for 7-8 years if you truley do not want to HURT someone? thats odd to me.... anyways...

It's called COA....cover your azz. And I read he was a cop, so he knows about evidence, etc.

And for what it's worth, Monica Lewinsky still has the blue dress.

[FinchMcCrunkNasty]

Why is it that I really care if these baseball guys are doing this stuff but I know all NFL guys are and I could care less? I really think it is stupid congress is involved with this though. This whole administration doesn't have a great track record for getting anything right.

[gamecockfinatic2007]

pushing the political line....

[uscnoklahoma]

Hear that sound......that's your tax dollars being flushed down the toilet. Can we go ahead and raid Congress, 1600 PA, etc. and save billions on this upcoming election. I think we could get 500 people off the street with better sense than what we have now.

Steroids and baseball, football, etc.....who cares? I know people who can't work without taking lortabs for pain, mostly back.....take away the medicine and they can't function in their jobs. A younger person would get the job. What in the hell is the difference in a pitcher taking some HGH to prolong his career and a firefighter popping some lortabs for his back? Not one damn bit.

[gamecockfinatic2007]

I'd have to say i agree half heartly. But then we get cases of abuse and people die. I.E. heath ledger.

[The Dude]

Why is it that I really care if these baseball guys are doing this stuff but I know all NFL guys are and I could care less? I really think it is stupid congress is involved with this though. This whole administration doesn't have a great track record for getting anything right.

"this whole administration"?

Really? You're going to try and bring the White House into this?

This is a CONGRESSIONAL Oversight Committee...absolutely NOTHING to do with the Executive branch.

[uscnoklahoma]

"this whole administration"?

Really? You're going to try and bring the White House into this?

This is a CONGRESSIONAL Oversight Committee...absolutely NOTHING to do with the Executive branch.

Actually, you could stretch it to the Executive Branch....see Bush banned Prohormones, which a lot people, me included, took. Now people are forced to look elsewhere.....and you can guess what the alternatives are.

[uscnoklahoma]

I'd have to say i agree half heartly. But then we get cases of abuse and people die. I.E. heath ledger.

Hate it for people who mix pain medications, etc....but there are warnings for almost every medication. If you don't heed the warnings then you are assisting evolution. Exceptions being doctors and pharmacies who don't warn....if you are warned and still screw up.....like I said....evolution in progress.

[The Dude]

Actually, you could stretch it to the Executive Branch....see Bush banned Prohormones, which a lot people, me included, took. Now people are forced to look elsewhere.....and you can guess what the alternatives are.

well there is something we actually might agree upon...the entire War on Drugs is absurd.

But thats all I'm going to say about that...runnin the risk of moving into the political world...LOL

[uscnoklahoma]

I am an equal opportunity party basher.....I bash my own and I bash usc90grad's as well. LOL!

Why the FDA and Bush decided to ban the alternative to steroids was beyond me. They indirectly are fueling the demand for steroids....sad thing is I can actually still order some from overseas...but get caught and it carries the same penalty as steroids....absurd.

Some countries actually require a prescription for aspirin and freely sell steroids OTC. I think they are smarter than we are. Aspirin causes more deaths every year than all steroids combined.

Also is it right for women to receive hormone replacement therapy and men to suffer? HELL NO! Our test levels are going down as soon as we hit 20 and yet we don't get any replacement.

Guess I better end my rant. LOL!

[USCya]

The "Nanny" is the smoking gun... Why did Clemons bring her to his house on Sunday prior to turning over her contact info to the committee? Clemons hasn't spoke with her in 9-10 years but brings her to his house to get the story straight????

kinda feel sorry for McNamee in a way... they are trying to make him out to be a liar.

Clemons is using the "Star" power to blind these committee members IMO.

[uscnoklahoma]

The "Nanny" is the smoking gun... Why did Clemons bring her to his house on Sunday prior to turning over her contact info to the committee? Clemons hasn't spoke with her in 9-10 years but brings her to his house to get the story straight????

kinda feel sorry for McNamee in a way... they are trying to make him out to be a liar.

Clemons is using the "Star" power to blind these committee members IMO.

Trying to make him out a liar.....you're kidding me right? He is lying but I got a feeling we are looking at two liars.

[ChucktwnLawCock]

None of those lies have been under oath.

you dont have to lie under oath to destroy your charactor....

[ChucktwnLawCock]

The "Nanny" is the smoking gun... Why did Clemons bring her to his house on Sunday prior to turning over her contact info to the committee? Clemons hasn't spoke with her in 9-10 years but brings her to his house to get the story straight????

kinda feel sorry for McNamee in a way... they are trying to make him out to be a liar.

Clemons is using the "Star" power to blind these committee members IMO.

what attorney on the planet would not want to get info out of a witness before she becomes a witness?

**and yes oklahoma, i agree that we may me looking at two liars here

[USCya]

Lying is lying.... but was McNamee holding back somethings to try to protect at first... yes.

Is Clemons lying about taking HGH.... IMO YES

I would hate to think that the the government sole witness in the report has not been corroborated.

[USCya]

what attorney on the planet would not want to get info out of a witness before she becomes a witness?


Attorney yes... but DEFENDANT???? His attouney was not there.... he did this under the direction of them but on his own.

[ChucktwnLawCock]

It's called COA....cover your azz. And I read he was a cop, so he knows about evidence, etc.

And for what it's worth, Monica Lewinsky still has the blue dress.

i never knew that he was a cop as well.. thanks 90 grad

[ChucktwnLawCock]

Attorney yes... but DEFENDANT???? His attouney was not there.... he did this under the direction of them but on his own.

you dont think the attorney told roger what to ask her? what to find out from her?

and it probably made the nanny feel more comfotable without a TEAM of lawyers present...

[ChucktwnLawCock]

by the way, on a side note... have you guys seen how short the chairman is? he must be less than 5 feet tall? haha

[USCya]

you dont think the attorney told roger what to ask her? what to find out from her?

and it probably made the nanny feel more comfotable without a TEAM of lawyers present...

Funny how the Lawyers were quick to standup and defend the decision... like there was something to hide and the charman put them in their place.

basically - they both are lying... Canseco and Mcnamee are the same mold. Do I think what they say is 100% accurate? Nope. But 80%+ Yes.

Baseball has lost Institutional Control.....

You know what they say about oppinions...<grin>

[ShutTheSuccop]

To me the real villain in all of this is BUD SELIG....how baseball has not gotten rid of him as the commissioner by now is way beyond my grasp...can anyone explain?

[cboom4250]

To me the real villain in all of this is BUD SELIG....how baseball has not gotten rid of him as the commissioner by now is way beyond my grasp...can anyone explain?

they gave him a freaking contract extension to top that! how in the world is this guy continually retaining his position?

on the topic of the thread though -- does it seem like McNamee is slowly losing credibility as the day wears on?

[USCya]

To me the real villain in all of this is BUD SELIG....how baseball has not gotten rid of him as the commissioner by now is way beyond my grasp...can anyone explain?


He has good talents...

http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/cm/goodhousekeeping/images/god-housekeeping-1106-de.jpg

[ChucktwnLawCock]

Funny how the Lawyers were quick to standup and defend the decision... like there was something to hide and the charman put them in their place.

basically - they both are lying... Canseco and Mcnamee are the same mold. Do I think what they say is 100% accurate? Nope. But 80%+ Yes.

Baseball has lost Institutional Control.....

You know what they say about oppinions...<grin>

I do pretty much agree with ya USCya...

I was just saying that it isnt exactly "proof" of roger trying to hide something by merely talking to the nanny before the committe did...

but yes, i think we are pretty much on the same page

[usc1]

Clemens of McNamee?





Clemens is a liar IMO.

[USC_DOGHUNTER]

McNamee, although I think there are holes in his story also.

[JAYBEZ]

So, if roger thought McNamee was such a horrible person, why did he insist the yankees hire him while roger was with NY?

[ShutTheSuccop]

I don't believe Clemens, and only believe McNamee about 75%

[hardcock2]

To me the real villain in all of this is BUD SELIG....how baseball has not gotten rid of him as the commissioner by now is way beyond my grasp...can anyone explain?

I wonder the same damn thing. Selig is the one accountable when this all boils down. He should've been shown the door long ago for this as well as other topics.

He is killing the game.

[Gamecock_Aholic]

this is for the people who are sick of hearing about this like me!!!!

[SpurFever2009]

I'll agree that Selig did not deserve the extension that he recently signed.

[SouthernCock]

he's guilty anywase

[hardcock2]

I haven't been able to see or hear the hearing...but I haven't believed Clemens since the allegations came out.

[Gamecock_Aholic]

im just saying, i wanna watch something else besides a washed up pitcher say he inncocent.

[USCya]

So, if roger thought McNamee was such a horrible person, why did he insist the yankees hire him while roger was with NY?

True...

And - I am assuming HGH is injected in the butt....right?

If so I would be one pissed puppy (even moreso than the lying on me) that McNamee shot my wife in the arce with this while I am not there.

[Gamecock_Aholic]

i dont wanna watch this on ESPN....BOOOOO

[USCya]

Threadjacking......


Guilty!

http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2007-w44/img.55479_t.jpg

[Spur]

I am holding off on hearing/reading ANYTHING about this until I get home tonight

So....BEFORE I head home and see what was said

I agree with McNamee

[SouthernCock]

im just saying, i wanna watch something else besides a washed up pitcher say he inncocent.


o i know i'm tired of it too

[LollerCock]

Hate it for people who mix pain medications, etc....but there are warnings for almost every medication. If you don't heed the warnings then you are assisting evolution. Exceptions being doctors and pharmacies who don't warn....if you are warned and still screw up.....like I said....evolution in progress.

Actually, mixing pain medications doesn't kill you. Mixing pain meds with anti-anxiety or anti-depression pills = lose.
Like mixing any kind of opiate you've ever gotten to help your pain after breaking a hand or getting wisdom teeth pulled, and zanax. Opiate + Zanax = dead.

And the people that mix these drugs know what they're doing most of the time. Supposedly, if you don't die, you really feel good if you take both meds. From what I've seen, people just pretty much pass out and have a really crappy night's sleep when they do that. But I know someone who was in a coma for 2 days after mixing Methadone and Zanax (methadone's an opiate perscribed to treat heroin withdrawal, among other ailments), he's lucky to be alive.

Wow, that was off-topic. Sorry. =D

[ChucktwnLawCock]

after watching the hearing conclude, i think we can all agree there both have lied in the past right?

My own opinion is that Clemens is the one that is lying now. Petite, a great friend, just wouldnt lie against him for no reason...and if Clemens was ever crossed by an actual attorney, "the holes" in his arguement would be unavoidable...

So is defending the perception of cy young awards more important than spending time in a federal prison (for lying)??

I understand that he worked his tail off to earn these lifetime achievements, so what do you guys think? (I say no way!)

[uscnoklahoma]

Actually, mixing pain medications doesn't kill you. Mixing pain meds with anti-anxiety or anti-depression pills = lose.
Like mixing any kind of opiate you've ever gotten to help your pain after breaking a hand or getting wisdom teeth pulled, and zanax. Opiate + Zanax = dead.

And the people that mix these drugs know what they're doing most of the time. Supposedly, if you don't die, you really feel good if you take both meds. From what I've seen, people just pretty much pass out and have a really crappy night's sleep when they do that. But I know someone who was in a coma for 2 days after mixing Methadone and Zanax (methadone's an opiate perscribed to treat heroin withdrawal, among other ailments), he's lucky to be alive.

Wow, that was off-topic. Sorry. =D
The etc. meant other meds.

But for the record... 15 Vicodins and 15 of any other painkiller normally leads to some bad results. :oops::-?

[sc455]

so the guy cries wolf and says he never did steriods and then looks like a total liar in court.

[LollerCock]

haha. I think 15 Vicodins would do the job by theirselves.

[Gearhead]

We need a "neither" category in this.

[SNEEZ]

I don't believe we're spending our tax dollars on this BS

i don't care if he did or didn't, his number didn't change from pre-00 form excpet due to age limitations

its not a big deal, you should have had independent drug testing a long time ago

[uscnoklahoma]

Both are liars....Clemens is guilty and McNamee is lying about something....you have to be messed up and a liar to keep syringes that long.

How would Clemens have his wife injected and not have himself injected......come on.....I was born at night but not last night.

What gets me is how this is falling right down party lines....I am convinced now, more than ever, that Republicans and Democrats have biological differences. LOL! Seems as if Independents are the only ones willing to believe that both could be guilty of lying under oath. LOL!

[Zee]

I can't vote, because I don't believe either of them. McNamee is a liar, that is established. Clemens is obviously lying, they just can't peg him. Like someone said, you'd have to be an idiot to think his wife took them but he didn't.

[TKE226]

I dont belive either...I think both have holes in their stories and it is starting to sound like McNamee is begining to get pressured by Clemens or his people a bit...

[CaptainCrunch]

i believe i am getting really tired of this story and wish it would just go away.

[uscnoklahoma]

i believe i am getting really tired of this story and wish it would just go away.

There's always Patriot's Spygate in the other Congressional Hearing room :rotfl::rotfl:

[CoverTwo]

Pettitte is the wildcard in this IMO.

[GapoGamecock51]

McNamee looks like a sleaze job...........And that it seems more than likely that Roger Clemens, a personal hero of mine, was on the juice, much less on the juice and wearing my beloved Yankee pinstripes, that is what hurts really really really bad.

Who ever came up with the rationale years ago that grown men dont do stupid things hasnt watched a "Worst Police Chase" show on Fox. That Major League Baseball has let this go until recently, shows me they didnt really care about individual and team achievements, that they really didnt care about the game. They let a temptation dangle in front of these men, and these men took full advantage of it. Now is MLB responsible for putting the pills down the throats of Canseco, Bonds, McGuire, Palmeiro, Clemens, etc etc, no but they are responsible for an enviroment that was geared towards this type of cheating because these GROWN men didnt have rules to reign them in and thought they could get away with it and for a time they did.


Since all these revelations have come about, what has been tarnished due to idiocy by some Major League Ball Players and MLB itself?

The Race to 62 (McGwire and Sosa)
73 HR's (B. Bonds)
Clemens World Series' rings with the Yankee's
(Add more if you can think of them.)

That last one hurts the most...............I used to love to watch the game on FOX when ne'er a word was spoken about 'Roids and we all thought our heroes were clean. I miss those days.

Gapo
Gapo

[Forkcock]

Does it really matter anymore? The MLB players over the last decade or so have absolutely destroyed the game. As a huge fan, I was always comparing the stats of todays players against the greats of the past. The thugs of today have ruined that for me. I have just about as much interest in MLB as I do arena football. I haven't even watched the last two World Series. I used to get out of school to watch it when I was a kid. What a freaking shame. I blame those that run MLB more than anyone. They knew what was going on but didn't stop it.

[SouthernCock]

i have to agree with what some people say I also am tired of hearing about this and think that both of the are lying out their arse!!!!!!!:angrycoc:

[CoolCockyChick]

What gets me is that Clemens was reading from pre-written notes on almost every clip I saw, saying things like "I wasn't injected" "I deny the charges" yadda yadda yadda. If you're innocent you don't NEED pre-written statements. If I was innocent and this charge had me on the national news and it was hurting my family as he claims, I'd be a lot more passionate about my replies than he was and I wouldn't need pre-written notes to deny the charges and defend myself.

[MDCox]

All this has pretty much ruined baseball for me. Clemens' wife took it, so I am pretty sure he did too.

"While her husband continues to deny that he used performance-enhancing drugs during a career in which he won seven Cy Young Awards, more than Cy Young himself, Debbie Clemens has admitted that she used human growth hormone before a Sports Illustrated photo shoot, enabling her to appear more buxom than Yankees' second baseman Chuck Knoblauch. "It was wrong, and I apologize," she said, "especially to all those little girls out there who are just strapping on their first training bras."

The above quote by her is a joke I think, but she is accused of taking it.

[usc90grad]

Misremembered

:lol:

[Dietz]

I don't believe we're spending our tax dollars on this BS

i don't care if he did or didn't, his number didn't change from pre-00 form excpet due to age limitations

its not a big deal, you should have had independent drug testing a long time ago
Boom!...

...the damage has been done, no way he's gonna cop to anything, his dancing around direct questions just makes him look guilty whether he is or not, it just frustrates me so I quit watching...

...time for Olympic Paint Dyring Championships

[Dietz]

all i hear from roger is "uhh...well...misremember...uhh...blah"if you misremember does that get you a misdemeanor? lol

[Ga_Gamecock]

who knows

i can see it both ways

the trainer apparently has evidence, yet the evidence can easily be called into question

didnt clemens' wife take HGH? thats telling IMO

and Clemens did have a late-career surge ...

plus, knowing how extremely prevalent Steroids are in college baseball, i can easily see it being that much moreso in the pros