Official Panthers Off-Season Trades/Moves Thread

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Who do we keep who do well let go? David Carr Wreck will not be on the team next year.
Carter, Drew WR UFA
Colbert, Keary WR UFA
Cooper, Deke S UFA
Diggs, Na'il OLB UFA
Gross, Jordan OT UFA
Hangartner, Geoff OG RFA
Hoover, Brad FB UFA
Lewis, Damione DT UFA
Mathis, Evan OG RFA
Melton, Terrence OLB UFA
Moorehead, Kindal DT UFA
Rucker, Mike DE UFA
Seward, Adam ILB RFA
Wesley, Dante CB UFA
Wharton, Travelle OT UFA

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

check on your team's free agency on www.theredzone.org (http://www.theredzone.org)

[atrain3067]

If I had my way:

Cut: Carr and Colbert
Keep: Moorehead and Lewis

The rest, offer them below market, if they don't want it, so be it. Would like to keep Hoover, but need to draft a replacement. Same goes for Rucker and the others. But improve through the draft for the spots that you can't re-sign. Then if you can't fill those spots through the draft, sign FA's afterwards.

[usc90grad]

Gone for sure.....
David Carr
DeShawn Foster

They will definately keep....
Jordan Gross
Brad Hoover

And....
Travelle Wharton will test the waters and may leave for more $$$

[Mecklenburg Cock]

Travelle will probably have a different opinion as to his "value" and the Panthers' perception as to his value.

He's said he'd like to stay with the Panthers but I think the money won't match up. Just my opinion though.

[hardcock2]

Who do we keep who do well let go? David Carr Wreck will not be on the team next year.
Carter, Drew WR UFA
Colbert, Keary WR UFA
Cooper, Deke S UFA
Diggs, Na'il OLB UFA
Gross, Jordan OT UFA
Hangartner, Geoff OG RFA
Hoover, Brad FB UFA
Lewis, Damione DT UFA
Mathis, Evan OG RFA
Melton, Terrence OLB UFA
Moorehead, Kindal DT UFA
Rucker, Mike DE UFA
Seward, Adam ILB RFA
Wesley, Dante CB UFA
Wharton, Travelle OT UFA

keep the ones in blue...cut the rest...especially Carter, Colbert, & Carr....and give DeAngelo the majority of the carries!

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

I want Carter to stay

[cock13]

keep carter (avatar!)

[Mecklenburg Cock]

Carter, Drew WR UFA
Colbert, Keary WR UFA
Cooper, Deke S UFA
Diggs, Na'il OLB UFA
Gross, Jordan OT UFA
Hangartner, Geoff OG RFA
Hoover, Brad FB UFA
Lewis, Damione DT UFA
Mathis, Evan OG RFA
Melton, Terrence OLB UFA
Moorehead, Kindal DT UFA
Rucker, Mike DE UFA
Seward, Adam ILB RFA
Wesley, Dante CB UFA
Wharton, Travelle OT UFA

The guys in blue would be my first priority. That doesn't mean that the other guys are good players and worthy of keeping, but I think the Panthers probably shouldn't over-extend themselves to these guys.

[Will4144]

Keep:
Travelle Wharton
Jordan Gross
Mike Rucker
Na'il Diggs

Cut the rest. They all can be replaced. Sign/trade Andrew Pinnock away from the Chargers to replace Brad Hoover at the FB position. Use extra money to shore up WR position.

[usc90grad]

FYI - Rucker is retiring most likely

[cock13]

I should preface this by saying, I am probably the most negative Panther's fan out there, so this might be a little harsh, but I will try to be objective.


Carter, Drew WR UFA: keep, he is the best available downfield threat to compliment Smith unless Ryne Robinson shows much improvement
Colbert, Keary WR UFA: i think this is unanimous for panthers fans...bye-bye
Cooper, Deke S UFA: due to lack of depth, we might have to keep him, though i wouldn't mind a complete overhaul of the safeties (except Harris)
Diggs, Na'il OLB UFA: serviceable. keep, don't overpay.
Gross, Jordan OT UFA: keep him at RT, he can be solid (ask Patrick Kerney)
Hangartner, Geoff OG RFA: decent player, also does a good job on special teams
Hoover, Brad FB UFA: old. wouldn't mind letting him go, but he might be one of those "sacred horses"
Lewis, Damione DT UFA: i've always liked Damione. I'd sign him cheap, for depth
Mathis, Evan OG RFA: cut
Melton, Terrence OLB UFA: who are you?
Moorehead, Kindal DT UFA: he is OK. if he will sign for cheap.
Rucker, Mike DE UFA: probably retiring
Seward, Adam ILB RFA: unless we upgrade through the draft, i wouldn't mind signing Seward cheap. He would provide a good back-up for Beason assuming (hoping) we cut Morgan
Wesley, Dante CB UFA: i hate our cornerbacks aside from Marshall. let him go
Wharton, Travelle OT UFA: let some other team overpay him to move to guard

[CaptainCrunch]

http://www.charlotte.com/507/story/483881.html

CAROLINA PANTHERS

Deadline looming
for Panthers' Carr, Morgan

On Monday, NFL teams can begin cutting players

CHARLES CHANDLER

http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2008/02/08/07/235-morgan_carr.embedded.prod_affiliate.57.jpg (http://www.charlotte.com/507/story/483881-a484179-t3.html)



An offseason of change for the Carolina Panthers should start taking shape soon.
NFL teams can begin cutting players Monday when the league waiver wire opens.
Linebacker Dan Morgan and backup quarterback David Carr are among prominent players the Panthers could release in the coming weeks.
Cutting them could save the Panthers nearly $5 million under the salary cap, according to salary documents.
Morgan was once the centerpiece of the defense, but injuries, including a string of concussions, sidetracked his career. The emergence last season of rookie Jon Beason at middle linebacker might have made Morgan expendable.
He's scheduled to count $4.55 million against the cap next season. Releasing him would save about $2.1 million.
Cutting Carr isn't as easy for Carolina as many fans might think. His struggles were obvious when he filled in for injured Jake Delhomme. However, the organization admires his natural talent and overall classiness.
Carr's cap number was forecast to be $4.35 million, but the Panthers could save $2.8 million of that by releasing him.
The Panthers won't let right tackle Jordan Gross get away in free agency. He was one of the NFL's top blockers last year and is an ideal fit for the Carolina organization.
If the Panthers can't get a multiyear deal done by Feb. 21, they'll likely put the franchise tag on him when free agency opens Feb. 29. That will require the Panthers to give him a one-year contract tender of $7.455 million, the average of the top five 2007 salaries for offensive linemen.
Gross said he thinks chances are good that a long-term contract agreement will get done because both sides are willing.
Things aren't as clear with left tackle Travelle Wharton, who is also eligible to become an unrestricted free agent. There are signs the Panthers would like to keep him, but he might opt to test a free-agent market that is low on good tackles.
The best alternative to play the left side is Dallas' Flozell Adams -- if he doesn't remain with the Cowboys. However, his price tag and age (33 next season) might be too steep for the Panthers.
If Wharton leaves, he could be replaced by an early-round draft pick or by moving Gross to the left side. One of the plusses with Gross is that he has played right and left tackle. The right side seems his more natural position, but he said he doesn't mind where the Panthers use him.
Notes
• One of the most intriguing potential free agents is San Diego running back Michael Turner, who has excelled as the backup to all-pro LaDainian Tomlinson.
Turner fits the big-back mold (5-foot-10, 237 pounds) the Panthers prefer. Signing him probably would mean parting with DeShaun Foster.
Turner's asking price could be expensive. It wouldn't be shocking if the Chargers try to keep him, especially since Tomlinson injured his knee in the playoffs.
• Hopes remain high in the Panthers organization that receiver Dwayne Jarrett, a second-round pick last season, will develop into a starting-caliber player.
Though Jarrett clearly had a disappointing first season, the fact that rookie receivers rarely flourish in the NFL at least buys the Panthers time with him.


Didn't realize he was a free agent, would hate it if the panthers had 0 gamecocks on their roster.

[carolinathru&thru]

That would suck :thumbs:

But, as long as he's got a starting job SOMEWHERE, I'll still be happy for him.

[usc90grad]

If TW can make more money elsewhere, I say GO FOR IT! :woo:

[gamecockphan]

Cut Morgan, Carr, Foster, and Colbert!

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Bring in Turner, and trade for Ocho Cinco,

[Mecklenburg Cock]

Panthers cut Morgan, Wahle

CHARLES CHANDLER

cchandler@charlotteobserver.com (cchandler@charlotteobserver.com)

The Carolina Panthers released linebacker Dan Morgan and offensive guard Mike Wahle on Monday, the first day since the season ended that NFL teams were allowed to cut players.
Morgan was once the centerpiece of the Panthers' defense, but injuries curtailed his career. He is expected to try to continue playing elsewhere.
Wahle started at left guard for the Panthers, but his age (30) and salary made him expendable.
The Panthers saved about $2.1 million under their salary cap by releasing Morgan and could save up to $4 million by releasing Wahle.
More to come in tomorrow's Charlotte Observer

[WhyNotUs?]

I bought a Dan Morgan Jersey a few years back...

And too this day it is the worst decision I have ever made...

[FinchMcCrunkNasty]

The Panthers are really good at making terrible Draft decisions...almost have the Dolphins beat!

[Mecklenburg Cock]

The Panthers are really good at making terrible Draft decisions...almost have the Dolphins beat!

Tell me about it! "Furney" better have a good draft this year and a good free-agency offseason. Those guys are great at missing the boat.

[acejrock]

The Panthers are really good at making terrible Draft decisions...almost have the Dolphins beat!

Why do you have to be so right?

[cock13]

Foster might be gone too.... sweet.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm



DESHAUN FOSTER ON WAY OUT? by Michael David Smith
There's increased talk coming out of the Carolinas that the Panthers could part ways with running back DeShaun Foster during the off-season, and perhaps sooner rather than later.
The Charlotte Observer reports that the Panthers would save about $4.75 million (http://www.charlotte.com/sports/story/486755.html)on their 2008 salary cap if they cut Foster, who is heading into the final season on his contract. And the Winston-Salem Journal reports that the Panthers could try to trade Foster (http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ/MGArticle/WSJ_ColumnistArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354558265&path=%21sports%21basketball%21&s=1037645509220) and then cut him if they can't find any takers.
Foster was the Panthers' leading rusher in 2007, with 247 carries for 876 yards. But he wasn't their most effective rusher, as DeAngelo Williams averaged a full yard and a half more per carry than Foster, finishing the season with 144 carries for 717 yards.
Considering that Williams is 24 and Foster is 28, the Panthers must see Williams as playing a bigger role in the franchise's future than Foster. And that means Foster is likely on the way out.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

^^Foster apparently is a good guy and Carolina needs two backs. However, I think the Panthers would be better off finding a powerback to better compliment Williams who clearly has the big play ability.

[cock13]

It is my belief that unless you have an elite running back (there are only a few, LT, Adrian Peterson, etc.) then you shouldn't be paying top dollar, or almost anything above the minimum for them

The difference between all the non-elite running backs in the league (probably 80% of them) is almost a non-issue. I want the Panthers to get some undrafted free agent, pay him the rookie minimum for 3 years, let him go if he doesn't prove to be "elite", then repeat.

[acejrock]

I wonder if this means they'll sing a rb in the first round this year.

[Cockholio]

Travelle's not getting paid. He needs to roll on somewhere else if the Panthers don't pony up.

[GamecockFan7689]

^^Foster apparently is a good guy and Carolina needs two backs. However, I think the Panthers would be better off finding a powerback to better compliment Williams who clearly has the big play ability.

How much I would love for Cory Boyd to be drafted by the Panthers and get this role.

[Regalcock]

How much I would love for Cory Boyd to be drafted by the Panthers and get this role.

I agree w/this.:thumbsup: Get Cory get rid of Foster.


I remember the Panthers trying Gross out @ left tackle when Wharton got hurt and Gross was dominated weekly on the left side...better keep Wharton.

[McNasty]

we'll probably start bridges at LT if travelle goes, moves kalil to LG, then harwig, handgartner and gross.

lose foster, get michael turner.
lose carter, trade for chad johnson.
lose jenkins, resign al wallace at backup, start damione lewis.
lose rucker, start charles johnson.
draft kenny philips 1st round.
get cory boyd around 3-4.
also draft OL, DT, DE.

i think that would about do it.

[cock13]

we'll probably start bridges at LT if travelle goes, moves kalil to LG, then harwig, handgartner and gross.

lose foster, get michael turner.
lose carter, trade for chad johnson.
lose jenkins, resign al wallace at backup, start damione lewis.
lose rucker, start charles johnson.
draft kenny philips 1st round.
get cory boyd around 3-4.
also draft OL, DT, DE.

i think that would about do it.

i have so many problems with that.

First, Bridges got benched at strong-side guard, he better not be playing blindside tackle, if he is, we are in for another miserable offensive season. However, as much as Travelle is my boy because he is a Cock, he isn't a starting-caliber LT in the NFL. This is the position I hope we draft for first round. Jordan Gross can dominate at RT (just ask Patrick Kerney), but I'm not sure he has the quickness to play the blindside

Lose foster, but if we have a decent starting back in Deangelo Williams, don't waste the 15+ million guaranteed we would have to pony up to lock up Turner, essentially paying two RUNNING BACKS first round money.

Carter is a burner who we can keep cheap. We don't need some loud-mouth disruptive, overpriced bum like Chad Johnson clogging up our salary cap and starting problems. Plus, who the hell are we going to trade for him.

I wouldn't lose Jenkins. I'm not sure what his cap hit would be if we cut him, but it can't be much better than his salary keeping him, at least he is a dominant talent that plays with heart. I would rather us cut Kemo, and start Jenkins and Lewis, with Al Wallace rotating in at DT and DE.

Rucker, fine, we can cut him, he is old with an injury history, so we agree on that. As far as Charles Johnson is concerned, I would rather him get some playing time so he has some experience when we trade or don't resign Peppers

While I agree we need serious help at the safety position (I don't want to see a starting combo of Marquan Manuel and Deke Cooper ever again,) I would much rather see us draft an OT in Cleady (BSU) or Otah (Pitt) in the first round than drafting Kenny Phillips. I feel if Phillips was in last year's draft, he wouldn't be nearly the prospect he is this year, he probably wouldn't be a first rounder, as deep as last years class ran. This is a weak safety class, I would rather get an OT first, then some athletic "project" safety later in the draft, as it is a less valued position than OT, or better yet, sign a decent safety in free agency.

In your scenario, we sign Michael Turner. And we have DeAngelo Williams, but we still draft a 3rd string running back in the 3rd round?? Only because of my ties to USC, do I hope we pick up Cory Boyd in the 6th or 7th round, or as an UFA. He isn't a 3rd or 4th round prospect IMHO, running backs are a dime a dozen, and "heart" will only take you so far.

We agree on this one too. Our biggest needs are OL, DL, S, and LB. I really don't want the Panthers drafting any skill position players in the first 4 rounds, unless something freakish happens, like McFadden drops to us at number 13. Only in the 5th round and on would I accept an offensive skill player who was an athletic freak who could either develop into a player or contribute on special teams

[Mecklenburg Cock]

I heard Brenston Buckner say on the Mac Attack on 610 AM in Charlotte that he thought Cory Boyd was the ideal back for the Panthers' RB needs. However, if Michael Turner is available I wouldn't be surprised to see the Panthers make a run at him. He is a carbon copy of the Stephen Davis type back that flourishes in the Panthers' system. However, price Turner's asking price might be too much in the end.

[usc90grad]

:clap: Glad to see them let Dan Morgan go....the dude stayed on the IR.


http://www.charlotte.com/507/story/488878.html

[Kendalls Daddy]

its fitting that Morgan leaves by "getting cut"

[Gamecock Rob]

Letting Witherspoon go and keeping Morgan was a colossal mistake.

[WhyNotUs?]

I bought a Dan Morgan Jersey after his first couple years with the Panthers...

To this day it is the worst decision i have ever made.

[acejrock]

dan morgan was good when he wasnt hurt. i hope beason can step up next year again.

[CaptainCrunch]

dan morgan was good when he wasnt hurt. i hope beason can step up next year again.

yeah thats the thing he never stayed healthey for all 16 games. had to let him go, got tired of waiting on him to get healthy. good luck elsewhere dan morgan.

[gamecockphan]

Letting Witherspoon go and keeping Morgan was a colossal mistake.

Bingo! Even my girlfriend said let Morgan go and keep Spoon when the Panthers allowed Will to become a free agent. She always jokes about how she could run the organization better than Hurney. How he has a job is beyond me.

[hardcock2]

It's about time....hopefully Carr is right behind him.

....although it's not totally Morgan's fault. He was one of the best when he was out there, but once you get a concussion they seem to happen more easily afterwards. He may be smart to go ahead and retire.

...and Hurney blows goats!

[droc]

He made 6 mill a year to play three games a year who wouldn't want that gig.

[Slacker USC]

I bought a Dan Morgan Jersey after his first couple years with the Panthers...

To this day it is the worst decision i have ever made.

Not quite as bad as my brother getting a Rae Carruth jersey... :lol:

[acejrock]

yeah thats not a good one to have

[hardcock2]

Not quite as bad as my brother getting a Rae Carruth jersey... :lol:

:rotfl:no joke!:lol:

[gamecockphan]

It's about time....hopefully Carr is right behind him.

....although it's not totally Morgan's fault. He was one of the best when he was out there, but once you get a concussion they seem to happen more easily afterwards. He may be smart to go ahead and retire.

...and Hurney blows goats!

Pts sent. Morgan tried his ass off and was a great LB when healthy. For his sake and his family's, he should hang it up.

Carr is such a sissy, I hate those f-ing gloves. Who does he think he is? A debutante? Mickey Mouse? This was one of the worst moves ever when looking for a backup. Carr may have just played his way out of the league.

....and yes Hurney does blow....donkeys!

[Mecklenburg Cock]

It's about time....hopefully Carr is right behind him.

....although it's not totally Morgan's fault. He was one of the best when he was out there, but once you get a concussion they seem to happen more easily afterwards. He may be smart to go ahead and retire.

...and Hurney blows goats!

I'm with you on Carr. He is not living up to expectations. I thought once he got to Carolina and had a better line that he would be okay. However, it turns out that the line was not the problem in Houston, Carr was the problem.

As for Morgan....classy guy who continues to risk it all to play football. I commend him for that, but at the same time you've got to know when it's time to go your seperate ways. Still the most bonehead decision to keep Morgan over 'Spoon.

[usc90grad]

It's about time....hopefully Carr is right behind him.

Carr will be gone very soon...probably today or later this week. Supposedly the reason they didn't cut him with Morgan and Wahl yesterday is they respect Morgan and didn't want people to lump him into the same catagory as Carr.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

dan morgan was good when he wasnt hurt. i hope beason can step up next year again.

Beason set tackle records for the Panthers this year, he is only going to get better.

[gamecockphan]

Carr will be gone very soon...probably today or later this week. Supposedly the reason they didn't cut him with Morgan and Wahl yesterday is they respect Morgan and didn't want people to lump him into the same catagory as Carr.

If that is the case, the good move by the organization b/c Carr will get blasted on the radio when he is cut and Dan really doesn't deserve that.

[Gamecock_Aholic]

dan was a sissy. he used to be my favorite player on there team. but he was always hurt. it seemed like someone would play with a broken hand but dan would sit out with a bruised pinky.

[usc90grad]

dan was a sissy. he used to be my favorite player on there team. but he was always hurt. it seemed like someone would play with a broken hand but dan would sit out with a bruised pinky.

Not sure I'd call him a sissy...well atleast not to his face! And his biggest problem was concussions. It seemed like every year they got worse and worse.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

If that is the case, the good move by the organization b/c Carr will get blasted on the radio when he is cut and Dan really doesn't deserve that.

Carr already gets blasted on the radio.

I'm not BSin' you when I say this, it looks like the Panthers are going to be very aggressive this offseason. If so, it's about time.

[USCocks3]

Good move by the Panthers to finally part ways with Morgan. Classy guy and I was always a big fan of his when he was healthy but you can only give a guy so many chances, even if you like him.

I ran into Dan Morgan at the Carolina Place Mall (those familiar with the Pineville-Charlotte area know where I'm talking about) one time and actually kind of abruptly stopped his shopping trip and talked to him. He was VERY cool about it and talked to me and my buddies for several minutes. Classy, classy guy. Good luck to Dan in the future.

[gamecockphan]

Carr already gets blasted on the radio.

I'm not BSin' you when I say this, it looks like the Panthers are going to be very aggressive this offseason. If so, it's about time.

I hope you're right. It was so much more fun when they were good. Instead of going straight home after the games I want to tailgate and hang out in that little lesbian bar after the games celebrating!

[FinchMcCrunkNasty]

It is a shame. Morgan was a beast in college. He could just never stay healthy. If anyone can make terrible drafting decisions it is the panthers...

[USCocks3]

It is a shame. Morgan was a beast in college. He could just never stay healthy. If anyone can make terrible drafting decisions it is the panthers...

Not as bad as the Lions!!

[The Dude]

It is a shame. Morgan was a beast in college. He could just never stay healthy. If anyone can make terrible drafting decisions it is the panthers...

The dolphins make the panthers look like experts on draft day.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

I hope you're right. It was so much more fun when they were good.

Me too.

Instead of going straight home after the games I want to tailgate and hang out in that little lesbian bar after the games celebrating!

What bar is this? Should I consider myself fortunate or unfortunate that I missed it?

[gamecockphan]

What bar is this? Should I consider myself fortunate or unfortunate that I missed it?

It's called Hartigans and is kind of near the Dog House. It looks like a nice normal Irish style pub with decent food until you notice all the gals in there that can kick your ass. We fequented the place all the time after games because it was a pretty interesting lively mix of people. Now we usually hit the City Club or Mimosa Grill. But if the winning starts up again look out!

[Mecklenburg Cock]

It's called Hartigans and is kind of near the Dog House. It looks like a nice normal Irish style pub with decent food until you notice all the gals in there that can kick your ass. We fequented the place all the time after games because it was a pretty interesting lively mix of people. Now we usually hit the City Club or Mimosa Grill. But if the winning starts up again look out!

Is that the place over by the practice fields? If so, I've heard that place is known for their same-sex couples (both guys and girls).

[gamecockphan]

Is that the place over by the practice fields? If so, I've heard that place is known for their same-sex couples (both guys and girls).

601 S Cedar St. is where it is located. I've never noticed too many gay dudes except for the bar tenders. I wouldn't go there unless it was game day. It is close to where one of my buddy's park and as you see is close to the stadium.

http://www.hartigans.com/outviewhartigans.jpg

[Mecklenburg Cock]

601 S Cedar St. is where it is located. I've never noticed too many gay dudes except for the bar tenders. I wouldn't go there unless it was game day. It is close to where one of my buddy's park and as you see is close to the stadium.

http://www.hartigans.com/outviewhartigans.jpg

Wow, you even probuced a picture! That's the place. I've not been in there but have always loved the facade.

[gamecockphan]

Wow, you even probuced a picture! That's the place. I've not been in there but have always loved the facade.

I googled it real quick and they have their own website.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

Wow, you even probuced a picture! That's the place. I've not been in there but have always loved the facade.

proDuced not proBuced.

[mjmiller]

Bout time. D M is a damn good football player, when he is healthy. He is past his prime and cant stop getting injured. Wish him the best, but I think you will see a retirement from DM.

[headdenz]

Come on Foster...Can I get a little Foster boot come on...:thumbsup:

[gamecockphan]

Come on Foster...Can I get a little Foster boot come on...:thumbsup:

Helll yeah. Get rid of him too. He makes way to much for the limited production the Panthers are getting out of him...and you can tell him to take Colbert with him too

[Slacker USC]

Come on Foster...Can I get a little Foster boot come on...:thumbsup:

I hear they tried giving him his walking papers, but he dropped them.

[gamecockphan]

I hear they tried giving him his walking papers, but he dropped them.

Sounds like something Colbert would do.

[ChuckyCock]

Foster out
C Boyd in.....

I'd love to see that.

[WhyNotUs?]

Sounds like something Colbert would do.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[chadalac06]

yea bout time...

[carolinafan53186]

Why did they release Wahle? Wasn't he pretty good?

[CaptainCrunch]

Why did they release Wahle? Wasn't he pretty good?

they wanted to make a lot of changes after this past season. wahle was pretty solid went to the pro bowl as a panther twice. they have a couple good young guards and just cut wahle for finanical reasons. wahle is a very solid player and should be starting somewhere else next season

[GamecockNeal]

i know hes injury prone or maybe just unlucky(close to the same thing) but I hope the Bills get him. We need help at linebacker bc of our own injuries. Morgan was a beast when he was healthy and I hope he ends with injury free year wherever he goes. Im sure Gotrice seconds me.

[gotrice?]

i know hes injury prone or maybe just unlucky(close to the same thing) but I hope the Bills get him. We need help at linebacker bc of our own injuries. Morgan was a beast when he was healthy and I hope he ends with injury free year wherever he goes. Im sure Gotrice seconds me.

The three moves I want to see the Bills make are to land Jerry Porter in free agency to give us a #2 WR to take pressure off of Evans. Secondly we need a weakside LB to replace Ellison because he struggled. I think Crowell does a pretty good job on the strongside while Digorgio/Poz will be at least solid maybe very good at MLB because Poz showed potential before being injured and Digorgio was very very solid. If Morgan were a weakside LB naturally I would agree with you. I say trade down and land that OLB coming out of SoCal because he fits into our defensive gameplan with his speed and should be able to step right in and contribute. The final move I want to see made is for us to go after a very good recieving threat at TE to help Edwards develop more. Those three moves and our young team just naturally getting better I think turns us into a playoff contender. All those injuries last year will pay huge dividens for us with depth.

[Will4144]

If that's the case, wouldn't they make David Carr one of the first cuts? I believe he gets cut, and deservedly so... but you never know with this management.

I hope Panthers keep Travelle Wharton and Jordan Gross.

[headdenz]

I hear they tried giving him his walking papers, but he dropped them.

What you mean Foster drops things...come on really...i mean he didnt in college...wait wait

[Mecklenburg Cock]

Why did they release Wahle? Wasn't he pretty good?

I heard Brenston Buckner say yesterday that he thought this was a good move. The Panther brought in Wahle to be a pulling guard and with their new "zone blocking" scheme he didn't fit anymore. Sort of a square peg in a round hole deal.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

If that's the case, wouldn't they make David Carr one of the first cuts? I believe he gets cut, and deservedly so... but you never know with this management.

I hope Panthers keep Travelle Wharton and Jordan Gross.

The Panthers supposedly cut Morgan and Wahle when they did out of respect for both players and to allow each player a jump start on free agency. If they cut Carr with these two guys then it would take away for the attempt to cut Morgan and Wahle with respect and group these two guys with an under-performing QB in Carr. (FYI, I'm having a hard time finding the right words to make my point here. I hope you get what I mean.)

[usc90grad]

Wharton reaches 6-year contract agreement with Panthers

http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2007/08/06/16/421-PANTHERSCAMP_0806_26.embedded.prod_affiliate.57.jp g (http://www.charlotte.com/panthers/story/493568-a226293-t3.html)

The Panthers have reached a six-year contract agreement with left tackle Travelle Wharton, a big move heading into the free agency signing period.
Wharton could have become an unrestricted free agent on Feb. 29.

His signing means the Panthers probably will have both their starting tackles back next season.

Right tackle Jordan Gross also is eligible for free agency, but the Panthers plan to put the franchise tag on him if a deal doesn't get done by Feb. 21.

Earlier Thursday, the Panthers gave safety Chris Harris a four-year contract extension.

The Panthers are also negotiating with fullback Brad Hoover, but a deal isn't done yet.

[cock13]

i hope we didn't overpay. I still want a LT in the draft (hopefully Cleady), and with any luck, this deal is severly backloaded

[usc90grad]

i hope we didn't overpay. I still want a LT in the draft (hopefully Cleady), and with any luck, this deal is severly backloaded

Yeah I immediately thought the same thing. They might be why they gave him a 6 year deal...less money, more time.

[gotrice?]

i hope we didn't overpay. I still want a LT in the draft (hopefully Cleady), and with any luck, this deal is severly backloaded

He is a gamecock and you hope they didn't over pay? PersonallyI hope they overpaid him by about 5 or 10 million over the course of the deal.

[gamecockphan]

He is a gamecock and you hope they didn't over pay? PersonallyI hope they overpaid him by about 5 or 10 million over the course of the deal.

He's got plenty of money. This is a salary cap dominated league. The smarter moves you make the better the team will be in the future. No sense my favorite NFL team overpaying for a mediocre left tackle just because he played for the school I graduated from. Keeping Gross is a much higher priority.

On a side note I'm glad they re-signed Harris, he lead the league in forced fumbles. That man can hit!

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

We need to pick up Michael Turner from the Chargers.

[GamecockFan7689]

We need to pick up Michael Turner from the Chargers.

Or draft Cory Boyd. :thumbsup:

[Cockholio]

How can you say Travelle has a lot of money? Other than OK signing bonuses, I don't think he was making much more than the league minimum as far as salary goes. Hey, he got hurt, came back strong last year and earned this new contract. Probably not a whole lot of money, but at least he has a general commitment that'll probably take him to the end of his career. This Gamecock is damn proud of him. I too hope they overpay him by 10 million.

[gamecockphan]

How can you say Travelle has a lot of money? Other than OK signing bonuses, I don't think he was making much more than the league minimum as far as salary goes. Hey, he got hurt, came back strong last year and earned this new contract. Probably not a whole lot of money, but at least he has a general commitment that'll probably take him to the end of his career. This Gamecock is damn proud of him. I too hope they overpay him by 10 million.

Yeah, 1.9 million over 4 years plus a $550K signing bonus for his 1st contract...How will he ever survive? Probably should start a charity for ole Travelle. 10 million over- good idea, lets cut Steve Smith and John Beason.

I read somewhere they may move him to guard and draft a tackle or they could leave him where he is move Hartwig to guard and let Kalil play center. Either way, glad to have a Gamecock on the team I just hope the cats were smart with their money. They do have a history of stupid moves(ie-David Carr getting 3 million/yr as a backup). Marty Hurney sucks!

[garnet812]

He's got plenty of money. This is a salary cap dominated league. The smarter moves you make the better the team will be in the future. No sense my favorite NFL team overpaying for a mediocre left tackle just because he played for the school I graduated from. Keeping Gross is a much higher priority.
Amen. As much as I like Travelle for being from my college team, he has been a very mediocre LT for my favorite NFL team. Hopefully they signed him with the intention to moving him to guard (where I think he'd be much better) since they released Wahle

On a side note I'm glad they re-signed Harris, he lead the league in forced fumbles. That man can hit!
Yeah, he can. But it's too bad he's not a linebacker since his coverage skills are on par with a linebackers' coverage skills

[CaptainCrunch]

yes!!

[Will4144]

Glad to see Travelle getting the extension. The Panthers could've made much worse moves. You know, like cutting Keyshawn Johnson with no decent #2 WR or signing injury-prone Deshaun Foster to a 3 or 4 year contract, or signing David Carr to backup Jake Delhomme, etc.

[usc90grad]

Foster's days with Panthers appear numbered

February 15, 2008
Charlotte Observer

DeShaun Foster's days with the Carolina Panthers appear to be numbered.

The team is considering either trading or releasing Foster, which would save them $4.75 million under the salary cap.

The Panthers have spoken to several teams about the possibility of dealing Foster and are shopping the running back. The team apparently believes Foster has value and would prefer to get some compensation for him.

Foster's six-year career with the Panthers has been frequently interrupted by injuries. He played his first full season last year, recording a career-high 247 carries but a career low 3.5-yard average. He has yet to rush for 900 yards in a season.

Foster's agent, Joby Branion, couldn't be reached. Carolina general manager Marty Hurney declined comment.
The Panthers appear interested in adding a big running back to pair with DeAngelo Williams, a 2006 first-round pick who ran for 717 yards and a 5.0 average last season.

[CaptainCrunch]

excellent news

[usc90grad]

excellent news

I agree. DF had great potential, but it just never happened. He dances around too much. Williams needs to be the feature back next year.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

Foster's days with Panthers appear numbered

February 15, 2008
Charlotte Observer

DeShaun Foster's days with the Carolina Panthers appear to be numbered.

The team is considering either trading or releasing Foster, which would save them $4.75 million under the salary cap.

The Panthers have spoken to several teams about the possibility of dealing Foster and are shopping the running back. The team apparently believes Foster has value and would prefer to get some compensation for him.

Foster's six-year career with the Panthers has been frequently interrupted by injuries. He played his first full season last year, recording a career-high 247 carries but a career low 3.5-yard average. He has yet to rush for 900 yards in a season.

Foster's agent, Joby Branion, couldn't be reached. Carolina general manager Marty Hurney declined comment.
The Panthers appear interested in adding a big running back to pair with DeAngelo Williams, a 2006 first-round pick who ran for 717 yards and a 5.0 average last season.

Wow, you mean Marty Hurney didn't have anything to say? That's a novel idea. Since when has John Fox, Marty Hurney or Richardson ever had anything to say to the media? Those guys are quieter than air.

[Slacker USC]

:clap:
:football: <--Look! Even Cocky holds onto the ball better than DF.

[PyroPepper]

Hey Panthers, hire Cory Boyd!

[CaptainCrunch]

Hey Panthers, hire Cory Boyd!

that would be awesome but they should probably draft a RB in the first round (trading up to get DMac would be ideal but won't happen)

[Mecklenburg Cock]

:clap:
:football: <--Look! Even Cocky holds onto the ball better than DF.

Wow, that's....well it's :rotfl:

[PyroPepper]

that would be awesome but they should probably draft a RB in the first round (trading up to get DMac would be ideal but won't happen)

I'm just pimpin' for Cory, yo. LOL

[usc90grad]

that would be awesome but they should probably draft a RB in the first round (trading up to get DMac would be ideal but won't happen)

I doubt they take an RB in the first round. I look for them to take a lineman in the 1st. But they will definately take a RB and a WR in the later round, s I think CB has a good shot.

[Dr. Cock]

Blah. I hope the Charlotte Panthers over pay him drastically and Travelle gets $10 million. I'd rather see one former Gamecock succeed than any NFL team.

[usc90grad]

Amen. As much as I like Travelle for being from my college team, he has been a very mediocre LT for my favorite NFL team.

I hate to agree, but I do. I'm really surprised they resigned him...especially to a 6-year deal. Actually I'm not surprised. The Panthers have a history of making terrible signings.

[gamecockphan]

Blah. I hope the Charlotte Panthers over pay him drastically and Travelle gets $10 million. I'd rather see one former Gamecock succeed than any NFL team.

Dr. Cock migh be a Falcons fan! :lol:

[Slacker USC]

I would LOVE to see CB playing for the Cats. He'll be a late round steal.

[FinchMcCrunkNasty]

Perhaps the Panthers will get it right this year and draft...oh i dunno...A FREAKING QB!!! Maybe some o-lineman to block for those crappy running backs?!!! Na, they will probably go linebacker or overated RB again!!!

[Freehawk]

:clap:
:football: <--Look! Even Cocky holds onto the ball better than DF.

Cocky Knows Ball Security

[Slacker USC]

I hate to agree, but I do. I'm really surprised they resigned him...especially to a 6-year deal. Actually I'm not surprised. The Panthers have a history of making terrible signings.

Very true. I'll probably assume that, despite the Panther's terrible personnel history, they back-loaded the hell out of that deal and will cut him after 2 or 3 seasons.

That said, its great to see another Gamecock doing well in the pros. Maybe he'll be blocking for CB next season.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Trade Deshawn for Chad Johnson
Sign Michael Turner as another RB
Sign Algae Crumpler as a TE

[gamecockphan]

The team apparently believes Foster has value and would prefer to get some compensation for him.


I found a stale Pringle under my desk. Do we have a deal?

[usc90grad]

I found a stale Pringle under my desk. Do we have a deal?

Don't sell yourself...or your Pringle...short.

[Slacker USC]

I found a stale Pringle under my desk. Do we have a deal?

I'd hold out. You can probably get the Panthers to throw in next years 3rd round pick too.

[USCocks3]

Perhaps the Panthers will get it right this year and draft...oh i dunno...A FREAKING QB!!! Maybe some o-lineman to block for those crappy running backs?!!! Na, they will probably go linebacker or overated RB again!!!

YES, THANK YOU BFC!! Jake Delhomme is a decent qb but his first year starting was nothing but a fluke! I like the guy's mentality as much as anyone but he just doesn't have the skills to be a long-term starting QB in the NFL. PLEASE PLEASE draft a good freaking QB!!

[gamecockphan]

YES, THANK YOU BFC!! Jake Delhomme is a decent qb but his first year starting was nothing but a fluke! I like the guy's mentality as much as anyone but he just doesn't have the skills to be a long-term starting QB in the NFL. PLEASE PLEASE draft a good freaking QB!!

I think Jake is serviceable and seems to have a specail ability to get it to Steve Smith, which no other Panthers QB was able to do, even Matt Moore; who looked great for an undrafted free agent who only had 4 weeks in the organization before starting. One big thing hurting Jake is his age. The Panthers won't take a QB high in draft, preferring to focus on OL.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

When Delhomme and Smith are both healthy their win percentage is very high.

[Gamecockfanatic4]

WOW did you guys not see the numbers Delhomme was putting up before he got hurt last year? Please keep Jake Delhomme around

[USCocks3]

I'm not saying Delhomme's BAD persay but he's not, IMO, the long-term answer. And I don't want to be in a Raiders-type situation in a few years and draft a big name QB high up and then have to rely on him or my busted old starter to play for a couple of seasons. Why not get a good QB in the wings now and go ahead and start preparing him?

[KCSuge]

I agree. DF had great potential, but it just never happened. He dances around too much. Williams needs to be the feature back next year.

Always seemed to be injury prone as well. Had a chance to be a great player after the Super Bowl in '04. Just couldn't get it together.

[cockinorlando]

I think itd be cool if they drafted Josh Johnson, the guy who's from San Diego who threw for 48 td's and ONE INTERCEPTION last year...I dont care if its not Division 1-A...thats just sick

[Dr. Cock]

Dr. Cock migh be a Falcons fan! :lol:

Nah, I'm a Vikings fan because I want to see Troy and Sidney become the best WR duo in the NFL, and I'm also a Texans fan because I want to see Dunta and Fred become the best CB duo in the NFL!

:woo:

[cock13]

Very true. I'll probably assume that, despite the Panther's terrible personnel history, they back-loaded the hell out of that deal and will cut him after 2 or 3 seasons.

That said, its great to see another Gamecock doing well in the pros. Maybe he'll be blocking for CB next season.

Actually I read online that he gets 12 million guaranteed, and the first 3 years of the deal are worth 19 million. So we are likely on the hook for at least that

[gotrice?]

Actually I read online that he gets 12 million guaranteed, and the first 3 years of the deal are worth 19 million. So we are likely on the hook for at least that

Sounds great to me!

[CaptainCrunch]

http://www.charlotte.com/109/story/496655.html

Sources: Panthers show interest in TE Crumpler

CHARLES CHANDLER

cchandler@charlotteobserver.com

The Carolina Panthers plan to explore the possibility of signing former Pro Bowl tight end Alge Crumpler once he officially appears on the NFL waiver list, according to sources.
Though the Falcons announced the release of Crumpler, 30, and other players on Friday, their names did not appear on the league's waiver list late in the afternoon. A new list won't be released again until Monday afternoon.
Released players aren't officially available to other teams until they've cleared waivers, which so far has prevented the Panthers from beginning the process of recruiting and evaluating Crumpler.
Carolina general manager Marty Hurney declined to comment, but he did confirm Crumpler had not yet shown up on a waiver list.
Crumpler struggled with knee problems last season. The Panthers would want to evaluate his health before signing him.
Other teams, including Seattle, are expected to be interested. Former Falcons head coach Jim Mora is a Seahawks assistant coach.


Crumpler and Jeff King would make a great TE duo in Charlotte.

[usc90grad]

I like it. The Panthers definately need a TE and Crumpler is one of the best. Wonder what his salary was with Atlanta?

[The Dude]

i sure hope we arent going after another player that ends up injury plagued...

but if he were to stay healthy, i'd be very excited about acquiring him.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

I said this about a few ago that we should ge Crumpler

[chfforrest]

If he can stay healthy...What a HUGE addition to the team this would be. If memory serves me right, and sometimes it does go, last year was the only time he has really been injured and held out of games during his career. Hopefully, he will be fine and can play injury free the rest of his career. Secondly, he made the pro bowl with the dog killer throwing to him. Imagine what kind of weapon he can be with a better qb!! I am all for this, because I think the panthers really need some more offensive weapons to take some of the pressure off steve smith!!

[USCocks3]

If he can stay healthy...What a HUGE addition to the team this would be. If memory serves me right, and sometimes it does go, last year was the only time he has really been injured and held out of games during his career. Hopefully, he will be fine and can play injury free the rest of his career. Secondly, he made the pro bowl with the dog killer throwing to him. Imagine what kind of weapon he can be with a better qb!! I am all for this, because I think the panthers really need some more offensive weapons to take some of the pressure off steve smith!!

First off let me say that I am definitely a big Panthers fan but, in your post you say that Crumpler made the Pro Bowl with Vick throwing to him but think how he'd do with a better qb...what makes you think the Panthers have a better qb? Do you buy into the Delhomme hype? He's not the answer IMO.

Now with that being said, I agree that it would be absolutely HUGE to get Crumpler in Carolina. I think the Panthers would have the leg up trying to sign him anyway seeing as how he did go to UNC.

[headdenz]

Crumpler is one of these guys that makes a crappy QB better. Is is an amazing saftey net. Every QB needs one of those. I like Jeff King a lot but Crumpler can be a game breaker if he's healthy. Running a two tight end set, which we often do, I think would be quite effective with these two guys. Im not going to mention Rosario here because I have not seen enough yet.
Now, there is just his nagging thought in my head. Another hurt person...I cant shake it...

[chfforrest]

First off let me say that I am definitely a big Panthers fan but, in your post you say that Crumpler made the Pro Bowl with Vick throwing to him but think how he'd do with a better qb...what makes you think the Panthers have a better qb? Do you buy into the Delhomme hype? He's not the answer IMO.

Now with that being said, I agree that it would be absolutely HUGE to get Crumpler in Carolina. I think the Panthers would have the leg up trying to sign him anyway seeing as how he did go to UNC.

Ok first off Delhomme isn't the best qb in the world. I believe he is one of those types of players that is good when everyone else around him is good! He is not gonna carry the team to a championship on his own. And to use YOUR line..
Now with that being said, JAKE DELHOMME IS HANDS DOWN A MUCH BETTER QB AND PERSON THAN THE DOG KILLER FROM ATLANTA WILL EVER BE!! All that atlanta had was a glorified running back. Does that mean I think Delhomme is Pro Bowl material?? No! But he is a QB not a running back that tries to throw occasionally!!

[CoverTwo]

What in the hell were the Falcons thinking?

[McNasty]

First off let me say that I am definitely a big Panthers fan but, in your post you say that Crumpler made the Pro Bowl with Vick throwing to him but think how he'd do with a better qb...what makes you think the Panthers have a better qb? Do you buy into the Delhomme hype? He's not the answer IMO.

Now with that being said, I agree that it would be absolutely HUGE to get Crumpler in Carolina. I think the Panthers would have the leg up trying to sign him anyway seeing as how he did go to UNC.

Delhomme is not the best QB out there, no. but he did lead a team to the Super Bowl, he's been in the Pro Bowl, and this year before his injury was lighting up the field. he was having a beyond remarkable year, and he still wasn't healthy. he's not the long term answer, but he's definitely solid enough to get us through until our future QB comes in. i'd say he's got 2-3 solid years left in him.

Crumpler would be a great addition, but i'd rather focus more on getting Michael Turner from San Diego. He wants a starting spot, or at least a place where he wont be totally overshadowed by LT (which i dont blame him for). he and Deangelo would be a great pair in the backfield, i think. that way we could have Carter and Colbert and not have to worry about them sucking ruining our game completely.

[McNasty]

I like it. The Panthers definately need a TE and Crumpler is one of the best. Wonder what his salary was with Atlanta?

Crumpler, Alge
$2,925,000 Base Salary
$500,000 Signing Bonus
$4,920 Other Bonus
$2,929,920 Total Salary
$4,713,253 Cap Value

that's as of 2007 with Atlanta.

[Will4144]

Alge Crumpler won't ever be as good as he was with Michael Vick. He was about the only target Vick could get the ball to. That said, Crumpler is still a very good TE and would definitely help the Panthers and especially Steve Smith.

[usc90grad]

I'd venture to say Crumpler made Vick look better. When the QB doesn't have time to look downfield or can't read defenses, the one guy he can always dump the ball to is the TE. Crumpler saved Vick's azz many times when Vick was scambling and would have otherwise been sacked for a loss.

Crumpler caught 54 passes in 2006 with Vick and 46 in 2007 without him. Not a huge dropoff considering the Crumpler was injured in 2007 and the Falcons didn't have a decent QB.

The Panthers have a good young TE in Jeff King, but he's not a threat like Crumpler. I'm all for it as long as Crumpler is healthy.

[MDCox]

I think he fits in better at Seattle, but Carolina is probably a good spot for him.

[Panthers90]

Carolina hasnt had a receiving tight end since Wes Walls...Crumpler and Jeff King would be sick and those naysayers of Delhomme...cmon He took us to the Super Bowl, look what happened to our team this year after he went out, after thrwoing 8 touchdowns in the first 4 games I believe...

[4|_3|<54/\/|)3R]

I'd be elated if we got Crumpler. But not if it means that we eliminate cap space that could otherwise be used towards a backup QB who's worth a crap.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

If Crumpler is healthy he's one of the best. This might make a nice splash if it happens.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Here's one question to Delhomme doubters, he has had 7 come from behind wins. What about that?

[usc90grad]

Here's one question to Delhomme doubters, he has had 7 come from behind wins. What about that?

People that question Jake Delhomme either just don't like him or don't know much about NFL QB's.

[97srad750]

Here's one question to Delhomme doubters, he has had 7 come from behind wins. What about that?

The answer could be that if he did his job earlier in the game, he wouldn't be coming from behind. That said after last season's QB play, I'm hoping Jake makes it back. We'd have a decent QB staff with Delhomme, Basanez, and Moore.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Well the defense is the side that gives up the points not Jake. Just pointing out the obvious.

[97srad750]

Well the defense is the side that gives up the points not Jake. Just pointing out the obvious.

And the obvious is that he's supposed to put up points. I don't know the scores of the come from behind wins.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

People that question Jake Delhomme either just don't like him or don't know much about NFL QB's.

Exactly. Until Jake proves me wrong he's the guy I want under center.

[97srad750]

Exactly. Until Jake proves me wrong he's the guy I want under center.

Didn't you just feel bad for Steve Smith last year?

[Mecklenburg Cock]

Didn't you just feel bad for Steve Smith last year?

Smith is arguably the best WR in the NFL. I'm worried that he's going to decide to go elsewhere if we don't do a better job of getting him touches. Plus, he wants to win. I don't care how involve Smith is in the community or how much he likes Charlotte, if we don't start winning and he doesn't get his numbers it would be unfair to Smitty if he didn't go play for a winner.

Remember, before Jake went down Smith was close to if not the most productive WR in the NFL last year.

[KCSuge]

Would be a big help on O.

[usc90grad]

Smith is arguably the best WR in the NFL. I'm worried that he's going to decide to go elsewhere if we don't do a better job of getting him touches. Plus, he wants to win. I don't care how involve Smith is in the community or how much he likes Charlotte, if we don't start winning and he doesn't get his numbers it would be unfair to Smitty if he didn't go play for a winner.

Remember, before Jake went down Smith was close to if not the most productive WR in the NFL last year.

Good points. Plus a good TE would take a lot of pressure off of Smitty. Not to mention a 2nd WR worth a crap. Jarrett, Colbert and Carter all suck in my opinion.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

Good points. Plus a good TE would take a lot of pressure off of Smitty. Not to mention a 2nd WR worth a crap. Jarrett, Colbert and Carter all suck in my opinion.

It's amazing that none of these guys have stepped up. They came from good programs and were obviously highly recruited since a couple came out of SoCal.

After watching what Dallas and Indy have done with a TE in the past year you can't underestimate the impact of a good pass-catching TE.

[Will4144]

People that question Jake Delhomme either just don't like him or don't know much about NFL QB's.

That was an asinine statement. Jake Delhomme has plenty to be questioned over. He's a decent-to-good QB. But you can always start the questioning with, "Who would Delhomme be without Steve Smith?"

Jake Delhomme has always had Steve Smith to throw to... as long as Delhomme has Smith, he'll be a decent-to-good QB.

[usc90grad]

That was an asinine statement. Jake Delhomme has plenty to be questioned over. He's a decent-to-good QB. But you can always start the questioning with, "Who would Delhomme be without Steve Smith?"

Or we could ask "Who would Steve Smith be without Jake Delhomme?" Oh that's right...we already know that answer. See 2007 Season.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

Or we could ask "Who would Steve Smith be without Jake Delhomme?" Oh that's right...we already know that answer. See 2007 Season.

Exactly! The first priority of any QB leading the Panthers is to get the ball to Smitty.

There's always that, the QB on the bench is the most popular guy out there crowd and I for one am guilty of that in many situations. However, in this case I've always been a Jake fan. The guy plays with passion, fire and he gets the ball to Smitty. We've seen what the 2nd string, 3rd string and 4th string QBs can do with the Panthers, nothing. Go out and find me a QB that can outplay Jake and I'll respectfully back off, but until then Jake's our guy.

[97srad750]

The guy plays with passion, fire and he gets the ball to Smitty.

There is no doubt about that. I hope I never sit through an offensive season like post Jake's injury last year.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

There is no doubt about that. I hope I never sit through an offensive season like post Jake's injury last year.

Lord! With all due respect to Chris Weinke, when Jake went out two years ago and Chris came in a I had to stop watching! Reminded me of how bad and boring we were through Chris's 1-15 season.

[97srad750]

Lord! With all due respect to Chris Weinke, when Jake went out two years ago and Chris came in a I had to stop watching! Reminded me of how bad and boring we were through Chris's 1-15 season.

It was bad, but for some reason I don't think it was as bad as last seasons. We've got some major holes to fill. I know Beason is the future at MLB, but I'd like to make a run at Zach Thomas and moved Beason to the outside. I've always loved Zach's approach to the game, and we need a leader.

[McNasty]

Crumpler would open up the offense a little more giving us a TE threat to get a safety off of Smith. plus with King, we could run good touble TE sets. not to mention Jeff Davidson (OC) LOVES running TE sets. and Crumpler is a good blocker, better than anyone we have at least, and that blocking on the outside would help Deangelo's outside running a lot.

and Delhomme is a great QB. not the best, but great. very solid. the only thing that worries me with him is he'll bite his tongue off one of these days (i hope you know what i'm talking about).

and Dwayne Jarrett is a GREAT WR. he's a lazy WR, but very talented. if he'd get his shizzle in line, he'd be a great #2. he's shown he CAN play. he just needs to get out there and do it. (or trade him and a draft pick to Philly for Reggie Brown, whatever. haha)

[Mecklenburg Cock]

It was bad, but for some reason I don't think it was as bad as last seasons. We've got some major holes to fill. I know Beason is the future at MLB, but I'd like to make a run at Zach Thomas and moved Beason to the outside. I've always loved Zach's approach to the game, and we need a leader.

Yea, replacing Minter on D has been tough to say the least. We need a veteran in there to lead the D. Thomas might be a good candidate.

[Cigaro]

Beason was much more dominant in the middle than outside. It would be pure stupidity to move him outside for an old guy.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

and Delhomme is a great QB. not the best, but great. very solid. the only thing that worries me with him is he'll bite his tongue off one of these days (i hope you know what i'm talking about).

and Dwayne Jarrett is a GREAT WR. he's a lazy WR, but very talented. if he'd get his shizzle in line, he'd be a great #2. he's shown he CAN play. he just needs to get out there and do it. (or trade him and a draft pick to Philly for Reggie Brown, whatever. haha)

I know what you mean about Jake. Sometimes he runs a little too hot, too emotional.

As for Jarrett, he's shown flashes of having some real talent. Hopefully he's doing some growing up right now during the offseason and will be ready to step up. He was a good pick last year. It's just time for him to pan out.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Or we could ask "Who would Steve Smith be without Jake Delhomme?" Oh that's right...we already know that answer. See 2007 Season.

If I remember right Smith was on IR during the Super Bowl run, but that was when he had Mushin Muhammed.

[McNasty]

I know what you mean about Jake. Sometimes he runs a little too hot, too emotional.

As for Jarrett, he's shown flashes of having some real talent. Hopefully he's doing some growing up right now during the offseason and will be ready to step up. He was a good pick last year. It's just time for him to pan out.

well the big thing with Jake is everytime he throws the ball he sticks his tongue out. he's like Michael Jordan. watch him next time, it's hilarious.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Now since the Bears released Moose maybe we should try and get him back.

[usc90grad]

If I remember right Smith was on IR during the Super Bowl run, but that was when he had Mushin Muhammed.

Actually Steve Smith wasn't on IR then. He lead the team in receptions during that playoff run and scored the winning TD against the Rams in OT.

[usc90grad]

Now since the Bears released Moose maybe we should try and get him back.

Wow, didn't know that. I doubt the Panthers will give him a look since his salary is probably pretty high and he doesn't have much tread left.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Actually Steve Smith wasn't on IR then. He lead the team in receptions during that playoff run and scored the winning TD against the Rams in OT.

I couldn't remember because I was going through Air Force Basic Training during those playoffs. Thanks for the correction.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

Wow, didn't know that. I doubt the Panthers will give him a look since his salary is probably pretty high and he doesn't have much tread left.

This'll be an interesting deal with Moose. He went to Chicago to make more money. Now he's on the tail-end of his career. As the Charlotte Observer said this morning, he maintains a home in Charlotte, continues to have local charities he works with and has business ventures here. He may come back for less now that he's made his millions. At least for the next couple of years he would play an excellent #2 WR while Jarrett develops. Plus, he's a lot like Ricky Proehl. Reliable and durable.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

The Charlotte Observer is reporting that the Panthers released DeShaun Foster today.

www.charlotte.com (http://www.charlotte.com)

No report, just says more info to come.

[usc90grad]

:cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo:


Any truth that he fumbled his play book as he was turning it in?

[Mecklenburg Cock]

:cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo:


Any truth that he fumbled his play book as he was turning it in?

'bout spit out my food. That's funny and mean all at once!:rotfl:

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Here comes Mike Turner from the Chargers!!!!!!!!!!!!

[garnet812]

:cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :cocky: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo:


Any truth that he fumbled his play book as he was turning it in?
:rotfl::rotfl:

[CaptainCrunch]

yes@!!!! happy peace out deshaun foster day!!!

[McNasty]

Here comes Mike Turner from the Chargers!!!!!!!!!!!!

i was gonna say the same thing

i read they're looking at him, derrick ward (NYG), and julius jones.
hopefully we can make a big splash, get crumpler and turner, which would make our offense amazing, then some backup players on defense. then just draft smart, look for DEs, a S and maybe another WR and we'll be good to go.

[gotrice?]

i was gonna say the same thing

i read they're looking at him, derrick ward (NYG), and julius jones.
hopefully we can make a big splash, get crumpler and turner, which would make our offense amazing, then some backup players on defense. then just draft smart, look for DEs, a S and maybe another WR and we'll be good to go.

I don't think another WR is a maybe for Carolina. They need to make a big splash with a #2 WR more than anything.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Bring back Moose! Bring Back Moose!

[Mecklenburg Cock]

I don't think another WR is a maybe for Carolina. They need to make a big splash with a #2 WR more than anything.

I agree. Last year I thought the league showed much more productivity out of the WR corp than out of the RBs. We need a #2 WR to compliment Smitty.

Also, we need to get a bruiser back to compliment DeAngelo, but the Panthers are crazy if they don't feature Williams. The year Reggie Bush bought his Heisman Trophy DeAngelo Williams was setting the all-time college rushing record with little to no passing game to support him. Therefore, he was lining up against 8 in the box almost every play. The kid can play.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

From the Charlotte Disturber:


Panthers release DeShaun Foster

Revamping of the offense continues with ouster of all-time rushing leader

CHARLES CHANDLER

cchandler@charlotteobserver.com (cchandler@charlotteobserver.com)

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The Carolina Panthers released DeShaun Foster Thursday. (JEFF SINER -- jsiner@charlotteobserver.com)




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INDIANAPOLIS --

In their boldest move yet to re-shape their offense, the Carolina Panthers released starting running back DeShaun Foster late Thursday afternoon.

The move cleared $4.75 million in salary-cap space, propelled DeAngelo Williams into the starting position -- at least temporarily -- and set the stage for the team to add another prominent back via free agency or the college draft.
Foster, a second-round pick in the 2002 draft, is the Panthers' career rushing leader with 3,336 yards. He started all 16 games last season, rushing for 876 yards on a career high 247 carries but with a career-low 3.5 average per carry.
The Panthers attempted to trade Foster the past two weeks, but found no takers.
"We had talked to some teams and basically had talked to De-Shaun and told him we're going to go in another direction at this point," general manager Marty Hurney said from the NFL scouting combine. "We're kind of re-working our look on offense."
Hurney said it was a hard decision to part with Foster.
"He is everything you draw up as a person and a player that we want as a Panther," Hurney said. "He's loyal. He's been an excellent player for us.
"He's done everything we've asked. We certainly wish him the best because he's always going to be at the top of the list when we think about the players who were here."
Foster released a statement through the team, saying: "I very much enjoyed my time in Carolina. I can't thank the Richardson family enough for how gracious they were to me and my family. While I certainly will miss my teammates and friends in Charlotte, my quest for a Super Bowl ring is far from over."
Panthers officials have indicated they want to have a more balanced offense with a power running attack. Perhaps the best player they could pursue in free agency starting Feb. 29 is San Diego's Michael Turner, who has averaged 5.5 yards per carry serving as the backup to All-Pro LaDainian Tomlinson.
Foster's exit also creates a big opening for Williams, the team's 2006 first-round pick. He came on strong late last season, finishing with 717 yards, a 5.0 per-carry average and five total touchdowns.
Previously this offseason, the Panthers began reworking their offensive line. They released guard Mike Wahle, re-signed tackle Travelle Wharton to a six-year deal and put the franchise tag on tackle Jordan Gross.
Carolina also intends to add receivers to its passing game. They're considering signing former Panthers receiver Muhsin Muhammad, who was released by Chicago, and plan to explore the health of ex-Atlanta tight end Alge Crumpler to determine whether to make him an offer.
The Panthers had high hopes for most of the past six seasons that Foster would develop into one of the NFL's best backs. Injuries contributed to him not reaching that status. He never rushed for 900 yards in a season.
"DeShaun had the ability to make big plays in big games and always gave his best regardless of his role," head coach John Fox said. "He never complained and was a professional in every sense of the word. We wish nothing but the best for DeShaun."
What's Next?
The release of running back DeShaun Foster means the Panthers will likely pursue a replacement in free agency, which opens next week, the draft in April, or both. Here are some players Carolina might consider:
FREE AGENTS
1. Michael Turner, San Diego
2. T.J. Duckett, Detroit
3. Derrick Ward, N.Y. Giants
4. Julius Jones, Dallas
5. Chris Brown, Tennessee
TOP DRAFT PROSPECTS
1. Darren McFadden, Ark.
2. Jonathan Stewart, Oregon
3. Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois
4. Felix Jones, Arkansas
5. Jamaal Charles, Texas
6. Chris Johnson, E. Carolina
7. Ray Rice, Rutgers
8. Matt Forte, Tulane
FOSTER'S HIGHLIGHTS
• He's Carolina's all-time leading rusher with 3,336 yards.
• Has the second- and third-longest runs from scrimmage in team history: 71 yards at Kansas City (Sept. 19, 2004) and 70 yards at Atlanta (Jan. 1, 2006).
• His one-yard touchdown run that included four broken tackles at Philadelphia in the 2003-04 NFC title game is among the most memorable plays in team history.

[gamecckfan5]

Yea they need to get moose back and then find a back up for D. Williams. They need to get zach thomas from the dolphins, everyone else is looking at him...they also need to bring in Jay Cutler and cut Delhomo's cord..

[Mecklenburg Cock]

Yea they need to get moose back and then find a back up for D. Williams. They need to get zach thomas from the dolphins, everyone else is looking at him...they also need to bring in Jay Cutler and cut Delhomo's cord..

Cutler isn't leaving Denver. He's their future until he proves otherwise.

Also, I still can't understand why folks have little faith in Jake.

[usc90grad]

Two words....Cory Boyd.

If they can get him in the 5th round or later, they should jump on him.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

Two words....Cory Boyd.

If they can get him in the 5th round or later, they should jump on him.

Three words....I like this.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Two words Michael Turner!

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Where do you think the PAthers will do their best this year? Free Agency or Draft

[Mecklenburg Cock]

I'm guessing draft. I think they pick up maybe one or two guys in FA, but how notable remains to be seen. I know they're turning over a new leaf this offseason and trying to right the wrongs of the past, but traditionally they don't really make much of a splash in FA.

Who knows. I never would have guessed they'd cut Foster and Morgan before they actually did. The Panthers have been loyal to a fault; however, I think they're realizing that they have to make big moves and big changes or this coming season will be a dud. They started to lose the fanbase last year and if they didn't make a big splash this offseason in both FA and draft there'd be a lot of angry fans calling 610am.

By the way, when are they going to cut David Carr? They unloaded all the other "loads of potential not a lot of results" guys. Carr was worse than Foster and Morgan by far.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

I have been waiting for the cutting of Carr Wreck

[Slacker USC]

They're usually pretty poor at both of them, so who knows.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

I have been waiting for the cutting of Carr Wreck

How can you wreck the Carr if the battery's dead?

[usc90grad]

By the way, when are they going to cut David Carr? They unloaded all the other "loads of potential not a lot of results" guys. Carr was worse than Foster and Morgan by far.

They are shopping Carr hard. They invested so much money in him, they don't want to just release him and get nothing. The same was true for Foster...they shopped him and nobody was interested. I would look for Carr to be released any day since nobody is going to pick up that loser.

[McNasty]

well after releasing so many high salaries, they have a HUGE opporitunity to make a splash in the FA. Crumpler, Turner, Moose, maybe a DL to add depth... this is a real big chance for them.

but i will say if they go for Kenny Phillips in the 1st round and draft smart the rest of the way, it could be huge. but i'm really thinking FA is the big place for them this year.

[FinchMcCrunkNasty]

well after releasing so many high salaries, they have a HUGE opporitunity to make a splash in the FA. Crumpler, Turner, Moose, maybe a DL to add depth... this is a real big chance for them.

but i will say if they go for Kenny Phillips in the 1st round and draft smart the rest of the way, it could be huge. but i'm really thinking FA is the big place for them this year.free agency gets you nothing...ask the redskins
this is the panthers doing. they have drafted so poorly over these last few years and now they have to take the punishment. they need to start all over. I would draft big, tall, rocket armed QB and defensive backs.

[usc90grad]

Apparently the Panthers are no longer interested in Crumpler. His knee is apparently really messed up.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Apparently the Panthers are no longer interested in Crumpler. His knee is apparently really messed up.

I think as long as we get a good 2 reciever i.e. Moose or Troy Williamson the TE position is not a priority. But the chance for a Running back to complement Williams is a huge priority.

[The Dude]

While I'd love to have Williamson, to be quite honest- I'd probably be more excited if we went after Stallworth...

The only reason he didnt get more receptions last season was because the pats were loaded at WR

[FoghornLeghornCock]

I was listening to ESPN and they said cutting Foster was done because Carolina was over the cap. Is Carolina in a bad cap position where in order to sign FA players a lot of cuts may have to happen?

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

They need all the room they can get this offseason.

[McNasty]

ok, here are a list of players i'd want us to pursue (not sign them all obviously)

michael turner
derrick ward
julius jones
alge crumpler
ben troupe
jl smith
moose
bernard barrian
donte stallworth
dj hackett
eric moulds
chuck darby
al wallace

looking into them would be a great idea

[usc90grad]

It's looking more and more like the Panthers will bring Moose back. Not sure I like that decision unless they can get him for next to nothing.

[gotrice?]

free agency gets you nothing...ask the redskins
this is the panthers doing. they have drafted so poorly over these last few years and now they have to take the punishment. they need to start all over. I would draft big, tall, rocket armed QB and defensive backs.

Sounds like if they don't trade up to take Matt Ryan I think Flacco would be a great fit for the Panthers. He would be a perfect QB to bring in while Delhomme still probably has 2 or 3 good years left in the tank. That would be enough time to bring Flacco in and get him used to the speed of the NFL in a gradual way.

[McNasty]

flacco would be good in 2nd round

also the jets released WR justin mccareins he's a good #2

[usc90grad]

Word is the Panthers have offered Muhammed $1.25 million a year and he is considering it. I think he's past his prime, but a #2 WR for that kind of money is a steal.

[cock13]

the Panther's best offseason would be to disband the team and start over

[big cock fan]

I think we need to trade our whole oline for someone elses. They were pathetic, carr, delhome it dont matter cause i think they both are bad. Our whole offense just needs to be revamped.

[evilpoptart]

They need a strong QB. Maybe they can steal someone in the draft.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

http://www.charlotte.com/panthers/story/511014.html
Moose is on the verge on coming back to the PAnthers. :woo: :woo: :woo:

[uscpanthers816]

MMMMMOOOOOOOSSSSSSEEEEEEE!

[CaptainCrunch]

I would love to see the Moose back. Wow that would be awesome.

[hardcock2]

I bet he's just glad to get out of Chicago.....and he'd be a good fit back in Charlotte with Smith.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

I bet he's just glad to get out of Chicago.....and he'd be a good fit back in Charlotte with Smith.

I would not have guess that!:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[bhall]

About time the Cardiac Cats did something right.

[Gaichon]

Daryl Johnston is coming back?

[usc90grad]

Well it won't be the same Moose we had a couple years ago. But for $1.25 million, it's a steal. His blocking alone will help Smitty.

[Mecklenburg Cock]

Moose still has good hands. He may have lost some quickness but he can run his routes and will catch most anything you throw to him. If this works out this a great move for the next couple of years.

[The Dude]

In their latest effort to secure a proven receiver to pair with Steve Smith (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5521), the Carolina Panthers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=car) have turned to a familiar face, reaching a contract agreement Wednesday with veteran free agent Muhsin Muhammad (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3511).

Also Tuesday, the Panthers released quarterback David Carr (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5887), who disappointed in his first season as a backup to Jake Delhomme (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4555).

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3267399

[RbrewDawg]

HE's BACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[CaptainCrunch]

awesome, panthers are doing a lot just like they promised in the off season

[atrain3067]

MOOOOOOOOOOSE! Glad to have him back. Should've never let loose of the MOOSE!

[acejrock]

That rocks!!! I was hoping it would happen.. Perhaps with the week division the Panthers can be back in the postseason.

[CoverTwo]

Question is. Can they get their top 2 guys the football?

[RbrewDawg]

Question is. Can they get their top 2 guys the football?

You are absolutely right, espn reports that if Ryan is still left the panthers are going to try and trade up for him

[Gamecock Rob]

Good signing...i agree that it remains to be seen if he can get the ball.

[usc90grad]

I've got mixed emotions. Moose only caught 40 passes last year in Chicago...which equals 2.5 a game. He's not the Moose that used to play for the Panthers and doesn't solve our WR problems.

Having said that, he is a good addition for his blocking skills and ability to grab the short pass. Plus he will make a good mentor for the otherwise useless-so-far Dwayne Jarrett.

I just hope Panther fans don't get too excited and start booking their Super Bowl trips.

[usc90grad]

You are absolutely right, espn reports that if Ryan is still left the panthers are going to try and trade up for him

No way in hell the Panthers take a QB in the first round. And it doesn't matter anyway since Ryan will be loonnggg gone.

And as for cutting Carr, I'm not excited. We should have never brought in the bum to begin with. This should have caused Marty Hurney his job, but somehow he lives to see another season.

[CoverTwo]

How can you not take a QB? Unless the Panthers are that confident in Moore being Delhomme's backup..

[usc90grad]

How can you not take a QB? Unless the Panthers are that confident in Moore being Delhomme's backup..

Well Moore played pretty well last year. I think he has a future in the NFL, he just needs some more time.

And I do think the Panthers might try to get a QB in the later rounds of the draft depending on who's available. But they have more pressing needs...on the line, DB, heck they even need another RB to go with Williams (although I think that will happen in free agency).

As for Ryan, he really helped his draft status at the combines and could go as high as #3.

[Candlewood]

How can you not take a QB? Unless the Panthers are that confident in Moore being Delhomme's backup..

I agree - Panthers need to think <QB of the future> during this draft

[acejrock]

i wouldnt mind getting a franchise quarterback

[FlorenceCock]

I really liked the way Moore played at the end of the season. I had never heard of him but then again we dont get allot of washington state games here but he seems to be a good pocket passer. I think the panthers will be alright at QB but I wouldnt mind seeing them pick someone up late in the draft if anyone decent is still avaliable.

[The Dude]

How can you not take a QB? Unless the Panthers are that confident in Moore being Delhomme's backup..

I want Flacco!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mecklenburg Cock]

You've got Moore as a backup who played pretty well. And you also have Brazenz (?) coming back from injury. There's two youthful solid backups if the Panthers need them. We need help in other spots first.

[mkpkr]

I really liked the way Moore played at the end of the season. I had never heard of him but then again we dont get allot of washington state games here but he seems to be a good pocket passer. I think the panthers will be alright at QB but I wouldnt mind seeing them pick someone up late in the draft if anyone decent is still avaliable.

I thought he was the backup at UCLA.....?

[FlorenceCock]

I thought he was the backup at UCLA.....?
Well we were both wrong he went to Oregon State....
http://www.nfl.com/players/mattmoore/profile?id=MOO551757

[usc90grad]

I thought he was the backup at UCLA.....?

Moore actually went to Oregon State I believe.

[garnet812]

Moore actually went to Oregon State I believe.
After transfering from UCLA.

Still, I think it's dumb to think we're fine at QB. Delhomme is coming off a surgery that some people never recover from. Moore looked like back up QB is his ceiling. Basanez hasn't done anything. It's time to bring in a legit QB with some talent and to not keep relying on undrafted QBs to take us to the promise land. QBs like Delhomme, Romo, Wurner, etc are few and far between, so I don't understand Panther fans always pumping up undrafted QBs.

[Scranton Tiger]

There is now and always will be only one Moose and he wore #48 for the Dallas Cowboys. Calling that washed up, never was, stone handed receiver that is an insult to football fans world wide.

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!

[usc90grad]

There is now and always will be only one Moose and he wore #48 for the Dallas Cowboys. Calling that washed up, never was, stone handed receiver that is an insult to football fans world wide.

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!

The Panther's Moose has won a playoff game in the last decade. Can't say that about the other Moose....let alone any Cowboy for that matter. 4000+ days and counting since their last playoff win. Pretty sad.

[usc90grad]

After transfering from UCLA.

Still, I think it's dumb to think we're fine at QB. Delhomme is coming off a surgery that some people never recover from. Moore looked like back up QB is his ceiling. Basanez hasn't done anything. It's time to bring in a legit QB with some talent and to not keep relying on undrafted QBs to take us to the promise land. QBs like Delhomme, Romo, Wurner, etc are few and far between, so I don't understand Panther fans always pumping up undrafted QBs.

Not busting on ya, but who do you think they should get? The only sure fire QB in this year's draft is Ryan and he's going in the top 5.

[Gyle41386]

I'd love for the Panthers to take a shot at Joe Flacco.

[Scranton Tiger]

No, since he retired after the 99 season, it would've been pretty hard to win a playoff game in the last ten seasons. I guess he'll just have to comfort himself with the fact he "only" has three Super Bowl rings along with 12 total playoff wins. Damn, if only he was as good as that Panther WR. What's his name again?

Seriously dude, do you even watch Sunday football?

[carolinafan53186]

Yes I think the OT in the first round and Flacco in the second would be great

[big cock fan]

we should go after anderson from the browns. He is one hell of a qb. We need to do some trading to get some oline help, and id like to see us take stewart in the first round if we can, he would be a great complement to the other smaller backs we have right now.

[Will4144]

You are absolutely right, espn reports that if Ryan is still left the panthers are going to try and trade up for him