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USC80
02-26-2008, 12:29 PM
Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age

Lorne Gunter, National Post Published: Monday, February 25, 2008
http://www.nationalpost.com/story-printer.html?size=194x126
Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at any time since 1966.
The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average."
China is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. Temperatures in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them.
There have been so many snow and ice storms in Ontario and Quebec in the past two months that the real estate market has felt the pinch as home buyers have stayed home rather than venturing out looking for new houses.
In just the first two weeks of February, Toronto received 70 cm of snow, smashing the record of 66.6 cm for the entire month set back in the pre-SUV, pre-Kyoto, pre-carbon footprint days of 1950.
And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past.
The ice is back.
Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year.
OK, so one winter does not a climate make. It would be premature to claim an Ice Age is looming just because we have had one of our most brutal winters in decades.
But if environmentalists and environment reporters can run around shrieking about the manmade destruction of the natural order every time a robin shows up on Georgian Bay two weeks early, then it is at least fair game to use this winter's weather stories to wonder whether the alarmist are being a tad premature.
And it's not just anecdotal evidence that is piling up against the climate-change dogma.
According to Robert Toggweiler of the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory at Princeton University and Joellen Russell, assistant professor of biogeochemical dynamics at the University of Arizona -- two prominent climate modellers -- the computer models that show polar ice-melt cooling the oceans, stopping the circulation of warm equatorial water to northern latitudes and triggering another Ice Age (a la the movie The Day After Tomorrow) are all wrong.
"We missed what was right in front of our eyes," says Prof. Russell. It's not ice melt but rather wind circulation that drives ocean currents northward from the tropics. Climate models until now have not properly accounted for the wind's effects on ocean circulation, so researchers have compensated by over-emphasizing the role of manmade warming on polar ice melt.
But when Profs. Toggweiler and Russell rejigged their model to include the 40-year cycle of winds away from the equator (then back towards it again), the role of ocean currents bringing warm southern waters to the north was obvious in the current Arctic warming.
Last month, Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, shrugged off manmade climate change as "a drop in the bucket." Showing that solar activity has entered an inactive phase, Prof. Sorokhtin advised people to "stock up on fur coats."
He is not alone. Kenneth Tapping of our own National Research Council, who oversees a giant radio telescope focused on the sun, is convinced we are in for a long period of severely cold weather if sunspot activity does not pick up soon.
The last time the sun was this inactive, Earth suffered the Little Ice Age that lasted about five centuries and ended in 1850. Crops failed through killer frosts and drought. Famine, plague and war were widespread. Harbours froze, so did rivers, and trade ceased.
It's way too early to claim the same is about to happen again, but then it's way too early for the hysteria of the global warmers, too.

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289

SNEEZ
02-26-2008, 12:40 PM
is that why its 70 degrees in February here?

Spur's Addiction
02-26-2008, 12:48 PM
Maybe reduced solar activity will offset the increased CO2 in the atmosphere. Keeping the climate stable.

But who knows.

acejrock
02-26-2008, 12:59 PM
It just goes to show that we well never accurately predict the weather. Sure we can use data to predict patterns and changes, but we will never be accurate.

USC80
02-26-2008, 01:09 PM
It just goes to show that we well never accurately predict the weather. Sure we can use data to predict patterns and changes, but we will never be accurate.

:clap:

CaptainCrunch
02-26-2008, 01:56 PM
is that why its 70 degrees in February here?

no thats because you live in the south

Gamecock_Aholic
02-26-2008, 01:58 PM
seriously. its 40 one day here, than 73 the next.

cack
02-26-2008, 02:09 PM
am i the only one that thinks it's just a huge pattern in weather?? we hear how it's the hottest ever now ... but when it always says "the record temp today was set back in" it's always in the 1920s/30s ... maybe it's just a cycle ... it was extremely hot in the 20s and 30s ... settled for 50 years ... not we're back at the extremely hot part ...

serbob02
02-26-2008, 03:43 PM
I do believe that it is a weather pattern that will occur regardless of what we do. But it does make sense, at least to me, that we can speed the pattern up by throwing stuff in the environment.

acejrock
02-26-2008, 04:03 PM
am i the only one that thinks it's just a huge pattern in weather?? we hear how it's the hottest ever now ... but when it always says "the record temp today was set back in" it's always in the 1920s/30s ... maybe it's just a cycle ... it was extremely hot in the 20s and 30s ... settled for 50 years ... not we're back at the extremely hot part ...

its scare tactics

cack
02-26-2008, 05:06 PM
I do believe that it is a weather pattern that will occur regardless of what we do. But it does make sense, at least to me, that we can speed the pattern up by throwing stuff in the environment.

well i believe that the ozone layer damage is hurting our skin ... and making us take in a lot more sun rays then we should be ... but it's not some great heat deflector

Spur's Addiction
02-28-2008, 09:05 AM
Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8U3RFHO0&show_article=1) in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years (http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289), with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UO7SJ00&show_article=1), Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/COMMENTARY/10575140), Iran, Greece (http://www.ana.gr/anaweb/user/showplain?maindoc=6157497&maindocimg=6154941&service=6), South Africa, Greenland, Ar


More.....

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature%20Monitors%20Report%20Worldwide%20Glob al%20Cooling/article10866.htm

hardcock2
02-28-2008, 01:42 PM
Global warming will assentially start an ice age. I do think it comes in patterns regardless of what we do. The Earth has been here for billions of years and proven to go through these different periods on it's own...although I know we are helping speed the process somewhat, but not altogether.

...and this is one of the warmest winters in SC that I've experienced.

cock13
02-28-2008, 09:05 PM
are you kidding me? it was cold TODAY! That's all the proof I need...

hardcock2
02-28-2008, 10:58 PM
It was still around 50 today in Rock Hill...that's about normal, and we've been mainly in the 60s...and really just a handful of cold days/nights.