View Full Version : Spartanburg Vikings Robbed
carolinachicken
03-01-2008, 09:04 AM
Saw this on the news last night....video isn't that great, but it looks like the kid got rid of the ball before the buzzer. See for yourself.
http://wyff.highschoolplaybook.com/sidelinereport/FeaturedBlogs.do?mid=e90b2f6569bcce52c31723c03308e 132&jc=3c54bb7bf3061916d12d5027dda7e863
gvegas07
03-01-2008, 09:50 AM
wow... i watched it twice. looks like he got it off. coach was classic, he got robbed
donbgamecock
03-01-2008, 11:02 AM
The ball was well out of his hands before the buzzer sounded.
hardcock2
03-01-2008, 11:19 AM
It's very close...but I would've counted it. Summerville players had already accepted the loss...and of course S'burg was going crazy.
The damn officials were running off the court before even saying the basket was no good....another case of officials sucking ass and deciding a game.
dabigtymer864
03-01-2008, 11:31 AM
i go to Dorman so u kno i couldnt give a damn about Spartan High and I say they still got robbed
carolina80
03-01-2008, 12:39 PM
That shot was good! Sad way to lose a state title game. However, while I understand Doug Lowe's emotions, as the head coach, he should have handled it with a little more class.
Forkcock
03-01-2008, 12:40 PM
The ball was well out of his hands before the buzzer sounded.
No it wasn't, but it was real damn close either way.
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-01-2008, 12:43 PM
Boo frickin' hoo.
TheGuitarCock
03-01-2008, 12:47 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
horseshoefootball
03-01-2008, 12:51 PM
Should have counted. I was impressed by how the Spartanburg player handled it. I would have been much angrier, I think...
carolina80
03-01-2008, 12:56 PM
Boo frickin' hoo.
...of course I didn't have a dog in this fight. My boys took care of business with "da Ville" in December!
8-)
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-01-2008, 01:13 PM
...of course I didn't have a dog in this fight. My boys took care of business with "da Ville" in December!
8-)You sound like a Klempsun fan: wanna talk about football when losing basketball and probably wanna talk about basketball when losing football.
I guess during baseball season we can look forward to some posts about soccer?
carolina80
03-01-2008, 01:40 PM
48-9 Go enjoy your basketball win
CarolinaGirl82
03-01-2008, 01:43 PM
48-9 Go enjoy your basketball win
:rotfl: haha...nice!
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-01-2008, 01:56 PM
48-9 Go enjoy your basketball winGee, I guess next you'll type 63-17?
carolina80
03-01-2008, 02:05 PM
Gee, I guess next you'll type 63-17?
Hey dude, chill! I'll talk junk in fun, but I aint never been, nor ever will be associated with a Tater. That aint funny.
Apparently that spanking still hurts... We've hijacked this thread enough.
I'll leave ya to your bball celebration.
CarolinaGirl82
03-01-2008, 02:15 PM
Hey dude, chill! I'll talk junk in fun, but I aint never been, nor ever will be associated with a Tater. That aint funny.
Apparently that spanking still hurts... We've hijacked this thread enough.
I'll leave ya to your bball celebration.
Some people just don't know how to take smack-talkin'. You know that. They can dish it out all they want, but God forbid someone talks junk back.
KCSuge
03-01-2008, 02:40 PM
I'm not a Vikings fan. Rebels baby! But they did get hosed. That call should have never been overruled. Doug Lowe has never been well liked in certain circles but that was sad.
JonneyGamecock
03-01-2008, 02:45 PM
Hopefully it will be the only win A.J. Green ever has in Columbia.
KadCock
03-01-2008, 03:01 PM
If my son played for Spartanburg high and his coach did that, I would be ticked. Just another example of someone making an impulsive emotional reaction. He'll regret that in a few days, and end up apologizing for it. What an idiot.
NastyNash
03-01-2008, 04:02 PM
wow, at first i thought they were playing MB and i was happy. But yeah they were robbed
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-01-2008, 04:51 PM
Here's a question:
Does anyone want to go through the entire game film and find how many fouls were not called, how many were called erroneously, how many errors the refs made to benefit S'burg and how many were made that benefitted S'ville?
The game ended 50-48. The last shot has everyone arguing Spartanburg got robbed. Who wants to take the time and trouble to see if maybe Summerville should have won 55-46? Or maybe Spartanburg should have got the title running away in the second half?
Spartanburg wasn't robbed. They had THE WHOLE GAME to score more points. Summerville had THE WHOLE GAME to score less points.
I'm always amused when after a whole game of play it's what happens in the last 30,10 or 2 seconds that matters. No, those are just the last seconds of a whole game.
Now, someone comeback with a report of EVERY possession by both teams and how each possession ended. Then we'll argue who really lost and who really won.
Forkcock
03-01-2008, 07:11 PM
There's no way to tell by that clip if the call was right or wrong. It truly could have gone either way.
wrencock88
03-01-2008, 09:31 PM
good, wren got robbed all night when they played spartanburg
KCSuge
03-01-2008, 10:15 PM
Here's a question:
Does anyone want to go through the entire game film and find how many fouls were not called, how many were called erroneously, how many errors the refs made to benefit S'burg and how many were made that benefitted S'ville?
The game ended 50-48. The last shot has everyone arguing Spartanburg got robbed. Who wants to take the time and trouble to see if maybe Summerville should have won 55-46? Or maybe Spartanburg should have got the title running away in the second half?
Spartanburg wasn't robbed. They had THE WHOLE GAME to score more points. Summerville had THE WHOLE GAME to score less points.
I'm always amused when after a whole game of play it's what happens in the last 30,10 or 2 seconds that matters. No, those are just the last seconds of a whole game.
Now, someone comeback with a report of EVERY possession by both teams and how each possession ended. Then we'll argue who really lost and who really won.
You can go back and look at every play in every game and find something could have or would have changed the outcome. But in this case the play did change the outcome because it was the last shot. Just because the refs didn't call enough fouls on Spartanburg doesn't mean they deserved to have the game snatched from them by a bogus call.
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-01-2008, 10:42 PM
You can go back and look at every play in every game and find something could have or would have changed the outcome. But in this case the play did change the outcome because it was the last shot. Just because the refs didn't call enough fouls on Spartanburg doesn't mean they deserved to have the game snatched from them by a bogus call.So, I guess then from now on what we should do is play games that are only three seconds long and give the ball to who ever is down by two? Since the rest doesn't matter and this one play "snatched" the win away from the LOSERS.
Oh, I've seen the video. The clock read "0:00" when the ball is still in the player's hands.
To repeat: boo frickin' hoo.
(Summerville won. It won't change. I can do this all night :rotfl:)
BoneAfiedCock
03-02-2008, 01:17 AM
I'm a Spartan High grad, so I am very disappointed for the players and Coach Lowe, who is a very nice guy, but who does get a temper when things go bad, but what coach doesn't? I think his actions with the trophey was a move to stand behind his team, and say to the SCHSL that he recognizes the fact that the call sucked without actually saying it, which would likely earn him a fine.
Congrats to the Wave, who obviously played a hell of a game, but it is ashame that all championships do not have replay because so much is on the line.
WeHailTheeCarolina
03-02-2008, 01:56 AM
Should have counted. I was impressed by how the Spartanburg player handled it. I would have been much angrier, I think...
If that had been Hillcrest getting robbed, someone would have died..
Those officials are horrible, the way the handled that call. Blow a call that costs kids their one chance to do something great and then storm off the freakin' court like nothing happened. Idiots.
WeHailTheeCarolina
03-02-2008, 01:59 AM
Here's a question:
Does anyone want to go through the entire game film and find how many fouls were not called, how many were called erroneously, how many errors the refs made to benefit S'burg and how many were made that benefitted S'ville?
The game ended 50-48. The last shot has everyone arguing Spartanburg got robbed. Who wants to take the time and trouble to see if maybe Summerville should have won 55-46? Or maybe Spartanburg should have got the title running away in the second half?
Spartanburg wasn't robbed. They had THE WHOLE GAME to score more points. Summerville had THE WHOLE GAME to score less points.
I'm always amused when after a whole game of play it's what happens in the last 30,10 or 2 seconds that matters. No, those are just the last seconds of a whole game.
Now, someone comeback with a report of EVERY possession by both teams and how each possession ended. Then we'll argue who really lost and who really won.
Welcome to basketball! Did anyone watch Duke today? Down by like 13 with 5 to go, turn it back on with 15 seconds left and they're up by one. The only thing that matters (score-wise) in basketball are the last 2 minutes of the game (unless it's a blowout.)
Regalcock
03-02-2008, 02:47 AM
So, I guess then from now on what we should do is play games that are only three seconds long and give the ball to who ever is down by two? Since the rest doesn't matter and this one play "snatched" the win away from the LOSERS.
Oh, I've seen the video. The clock read "0:00" when the ball is still in the player's hands.
To repeat: boo frickin' hoo.
(Summerville won. It won't change. I can do this all night :rotfl:)
On espn1400 here in Sptb. they said they slowed down the tape and the ball WAS out of his hands. This was from a Dorman grad and a Byrnes grad and a Gaffney grad reporting on "open mic daily"
I am not a Viking (just sayin) but I cannot understand how if you are the ref and you don't blow the whistle initially and you know none of you are sure if it was out of the hands for sure. How do you reverse the call?
usc89
03-02-2008, 02:53 AM
They showed that on Channel 10 here in Cola tonight and in slow-motion, the ball was CLEARLY out of the kid's hands before the clock went to 0:00. This is even more evident, for in the Colonial Center, when the clock goes to 0, a red square around the backboard lights up as the buzzer sounds. The refs clearly blew the call on this one.
I don't know what the answer to this could be, but something should be done. A good friend of mine has suggested that college playoffs be decided in 5-game series similar to the pros. Perhaps the High School League needs to explore this option as well, on a more limited basis. I know it would drag hoops into baseball season, but if something isn't done, travesties of justice like this one have the possibility of happening again.
Kids work too hard all season long to have it thrown away by a blown call.
usc89
03-02-2008, 02:56 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the weekend Sportsbabe on WIS showed the tape again tonight in slow-motion, and the ball was on its way before the clock went to 0. It was off by 1/2 second, but nevertheless, it was on its way. I wish you were right, for it would make the ending justifiable.
I honestly don't know how in the world this can be remedied, though. BTW, I'm not a fan of either of these schools, but admire both of their efforts, and don't like to see kids robbed.
Regalcock
03-02-2008, 02:57 AM
Good point^^^
2 out of 3 would be good enough and only take a weekend maybe one extra day.
usc89
03-02-2008, 03:01 AM
It's not the same thing. Foul calls (or lack thereof) are things that coaches can do something about. If the refs continue to be biased in foul calls, the coach whose team is getting hacked should get on the floor and get T'd up if needed to at least let the refs know he knows what's happening.
Although high school refs aren't all that good, the ones they usually have in the playoffs are usually the best of the bunch.
The only remedy to this situation is to declare the basket good and bring the teams back to play an OT session. That, however, will elicit bitching as well, so there really is no answer to this.
CarolinaCustomz
03-02-2008, 03:12 AM
The Kid from Sptbg who took the last shot was the guy they call "Z-man" Right? If so as much as i hate to see a upperstate team lose, it couldnt happen to better person that kid and his folks have terrible attitudes. They will prob try to sue.
Regalcock
03-02-2008, 03:28 AM
The Kid from Sptbg who took the last shot was the guy they call "Z-man" Right? If so as much as i hate to see a upperstate team lose, it couldnt happen to better person that kid and his folks have terrible attitudes. They will prob try to sue.
He was the starting QB for the school and got benched for the entire season and they threatened to sue and were involved in a demonstration against the school and Doc Davis. He is leaving because the school leaders did not support him.
Z man almost pulled off a state title though.
TheGuitarCock
03-02-2008, 12:45 PM
I repeat:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-02-2008, 01:03 PM
It was announced today Doc Davis will be the new football coach at the new high school in . . . Dorchester County.
Ashley Ridge High School is located south of Summerville and will take in students from both SHS and Fort Dorchester. Adding the new school, though, is not expected to severely impact SHS's enrollment, just account for future growth in the lower part of the County.
So, next year Dorchester County will field three football teams all within 10 miles of each other. ARHS will open as 2A school
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-02-2008, 01:12 PM
And another thing . . .
Anyone else here besides me remember how Cedric Hordges defeated South Carolina State University?
THEsaturdaynightspecial
03-02-2008, 03:15 PM
Wow, Spartanburg got screwed. High school refs are awful.
KCSuge
03-02-2008, 03:45 PM
So, I guess then from now on what we should do is play games that are only three seconds long and give the ball to who ever is down by two? Since the rest doesn't matter and this one play "snatched" the win away from the LOSERS.
Oh, I've seen the video. The clock read "0:00" when the ball is still in the player's hands.
To repeat: boo frickin' hoo.
(Summerville won. It won't change. I can do this all night :rotfl:)
If you can do this all night. You need to get out more. Spartanburg got robbed end of story.
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-02-2008, 03:51 PM
The trophy is in Summervile.
The REAL end of the story.
KCSuge
03-02-2008, 03:52 PM
The trophy is in Summervile.
The REAL end of the story.
Well Christmas came early, didn't it?
NastyNash
03-03-2008, 03:49 AM
Here's a question:
Does anyone want to go through the entire game film and find how many fouls were not called, how many were called erroneously, how many errors the refs made to benefit S'burg and how many were made that benefitted S'ville?
The game ended 50-48. The last shot has everyone arguing Spartanburg got robbed. Who wants to take the time and trouble to see if maybe Summerville should have won 55-46? Or maybe Spartanburg should have got the title running away in the second half?
Spartanburg wasn't robbed. They had THE WHOLE GAME to score more points. Summerville had THE WHOLE GAME to score less points.
I'm always amused when after a whole game of play it's what happens in the last 30,10 or 2 seconds that matters. No, those are just the last seconds of a whole game.
Now, someone comeback with a report of EVERY possession by both teams and how each possession ended. Then we'll argue who really lost and who really won.
Yeah, but i think this thread was pointing more towards the last shot. Just saying.
CaptainCrunch
03-03-2008, 06:42 PM
The trophy is in Summervile.
The REAL end of the story.
Thats real easy for you to say. If the reverse thing would have happend you would feel differently. Theres a big difference between making a bad call and a kid shooting from 3/4th of the court, with the ball out of his hands before the buzzer went off, to win the state championship game and calling it no good. A bad foul and that shot are two completely different things. If your high school lost like this, which it happens I did go to Spartanburg and was at the game, you would be just as pissed as anyone else. Spartanburg got screwed over.
SwampFox
03-03-2008, 07:10 PM
Spartanburg got screwed. High school refs are awful.
After watching the replays, I have to agree. Unfortunatly, the refs mistake can't be changed.
What's the latest word on this anyway? Is Spartanburg's coach in trouble for refusing the trophy?
ColaCock
03-03-2008, 07:53 PM
After watching the replays, I have to agree. Unfortunatly, the refs mistake can't be changed.
What's the latest word on this anyway? Is Spartanburg's coach in trouble for refusing the trophy?
The SCHSL will come down on him, make no mistake about it.
From what I have been hearing on the radio, there are different video angles that show that the ball was barely STILL in his hands once the light came on and buzzer sounded. Either way, something like that is too close to call and you have to go with the referees judgement. They don't have instant reply and so it is something that just has to be accepted in life.
Like someone said earlier, which I totally agree with, is that if you do the things right in the game EARLY then you won't put yourself in a position to deal with that kind of call. Its tough to accept, but life isn't fair.
When I was in high school, I played in the state championship in football. We were up 7-6 and had the opposing team on 4th down on their side of the field...they snapped and we had the QB sacked with hands on him...by the grace of God, he slipped out for a second and threw a duck downfield...someone was there and caught the catch and fell out of bounds with seconds left. They kicked a field goal to win 9-7 and broke our hearts. It sucks, but you get over it. If we would have scored more or played harder earlier, it wouldn't have happened. But you just have to leave it all on the field.
FWIW, I don't have a dog in this fight.
SangareeCrew
03-03-2008, 08:00 PM
Good post, Cola.
I agree that it is very hard to accept, but you have to accept the decision of the refs. Some angles DO show that he still had the ball touching his fingers.........bottom line, it's not cut and dry that Spartanburg got robbed. You just have to accept the ruling of the refs.........I am sure there was no conspiracy to deny the Vikings, it's just the best decision the refs could make.
And I am from Summerville, but I am NOT a Wave fan!
behindenemylines
03-04-2008, 11:14 AM
The funniest thing about the way the coach acted besides being immature was he went down the tunnel after the referrees screaming and cussing the whole time. Well little did he know that one of the officials was a sled agent who reminded the coach of that fact. Needless to say Coach Lowe from Sptg quieted down a little bit after he was notified of this fact. Also, in the first half Sptg was called for an intentional foul which gave Summerville two shots and the ball. Summerville made both shots and made the basket after they got the ball. That is four points that Coach Lowe in his moment of insanity forgot about as he was saying the Championship was stolen from them.
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-04-2008, 11:27 AM
Thats real easy for you to say. If the reverse thing would have happend you would feel differently. Probably not. If the game went the other way I would have ignored any discussion of the game.
See, in Summerville we only talk about winning . . . and we talk all the time.
CaptainCrunch
03-04-2008, 11:39 AM
From what I have been hearing on the radio, there are different video angles that show that the ball was barely STILL in his hands once the light came on and buzzer sounded.
I would love to see on of these angles cause the videos I have seen look like the ball is clearly out of his hands. Coach Lowe did what any coach should have done at that time. He stood up for his players which is one of the most important things a coach can do. Robinson got the shoot off and Coach Lowe knew it, he ran after the ref and refused the runner-up trophy because they did not deserve the call. High School refs are horrible and call me whatever you want but I honestly think if it weren't for the whole Louis Mulkey incident I believe the call would have gone the other way.
CaptainCrunch
03-04-2008, 11:41 AM
See, in Summerville we only talk about winning . . . and we talk all the time.
Thats a real mature thing to say in this thread.
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-04-2008, 11:59 AM
Thats a real mature thing to say in this thread.As opposed to pissin' and moanin' four days later about a result no amount of complaining will change?
How long after recess did you argue the dodge ball only touched your sleeve and it didn't count?
sorry guys but the buzzer went off before it left his hand ... you can't really hear it cause the guy is talking ... then when he's between words you hear it louder which makes it look like it was good ... he said there was 1.7 seconds to play ... once he touches it the clock starts ... he had the ball for 2 seconds at least (from what i counted)
DEECOCK
03-04-2008, 12:08 PM
You are crazy...the ball clearly left his hand then the buzzer sounds. I was there and their was not a doubt in anyones mind. It is tragic because those refs took away one of the greatest finishes on any level of basketball.
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-04-2008, 12:10 PM
No, the refs insured the finish went to the winner and current reigning State Champion.
(See how this works? All the complaining and arguing will never take that trophy out of its case down on the south end of Boone Hill Road.)
DEECOCK
03-04-2008, 12:14 PM
I dont care really is high school basketball. It is just a shame that the trophy didnt go to the team who fairly made a shot in regulation. The ref got the call wrong bottom line. The trophy is tainted and you will always know that. Listen...after the buzzer.
http://videos.thestate.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=1746223
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-04-2008, 12:17 PM
The trophy went to the team that made the most points during regulation. Only Russian basketball teams win games with points scored after the clock runs out.
CarolinaGirl82
03-04-2008, 12:20 PM
Why keep arguing about this? What's done is done....Nobody is ever going to agree on this subject.
TheMule
03-04-2008, 12:22 PM
I don't give a crap either way but in STOP FRAME video it looks like he got the shot off. I'd hate to have to make the call without stop frame replay. Most likely the refs decided that he couldn't turn, dribble, and shoot in under 1.7 seconds. They played the waved off shot several times in stop frame with the backboard highlighted. The slowmo isn't on their web site yet but this is the video that they used.
http://www.wspa.com/midatlantic/spa/sports.apx.-content-articles-SPA-2008-03-01-0001.html
DEECOCK
03-04-2008, 12:26 PM
Stillwearingmyjoehat
I read through this thread and you sound like an idiot. You can see they got robbed and everyone knows nothing can be changed. The bottom line is kids who never stopped playing got robbed because the refs stopped doing their job. You can ignore this fact all you want, but you cant argue with the video.
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-04-2008, 12:26 PM
I'd hate to have to make the call without stop frame replay.Without it basketball would probably wither and die on the vine.
Wait.
Basketball grew in 100 years to the most popular winter sport in America without replay.
DEECOCK
03-04-2008, 12:29 PM
Without it basketball would probably wither and die on the vine.
Wait.
Basketball grew in 100 years to the most popular winter sport in America without replay.
I am sure it had trouble doing that with figure skating as its only competition. If you want to get specific, football is in the winter and it trumps baketball.
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-04-2008, 12:29 PM
Stillwearingmyjoehat
I read through this thread and you sound like an idiot. You can see they got robbed and everyone knows nothing can be changed. The bottom line is kids who never stopped playing got robbed because the refs stopped doing their job. You can ignore this fact all you want, but you cant argue with the video.So, just having fun and accepting the REALITY of the situation is idiotic but arguing about mighta', shoulda', woulda' coulda and musta-beens is so intelligent?
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-04-2008, 12:30 PM
I am sure it had trouble doing that with figure skating as its only competition. If you want to get specific, football is in the winter and it trumps baketball.Winter starts December 21. By then 99% of football is OVER while basketball is just getting cranked up.
Winter continues until March 20.
The calendar is a helluva thing.
ColaCock
03-04-2008, 12:43 PM
I dont care really is high school basketball. It is just a shame that the trophy didnt go to the team who fairly made a shot in regulation. The ref got the call wrong bottom line. The trophy is tainted and you will always know that. Listen...after the buzzer.
http://videos.thestate.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=1746223
In that angle, it shows that the light on the backboard behind him came on while the ball appears to still be in his hands almost at the release...very hard to tell because of the quality.
TheMule
03-04-2008, 12:50 PM
Without it basketball would probably wither and die on the vine.
Wait.
Basketball grew in 100 years to the most popular winter sport in America without replay.
You missed the whole point of the initial post so you could make a smart ass remark. The refs had a helluva decision to make WITHOUT the benefit of stop frame replay and I don't envy them. Had they gone the other way Summerville fans would probably be bitching about Summerville getting cheated by a shot that was made after the buzzer. It was that close even in stop motion. Again, I don't give a crap either way who won the game any more than I care if Akron or Toledo wins.
KCSuge
03-04-2008, 12:50 PM
See, in Summerville we only talk about winning . . . and we talk all the time.
How much talking did you do after the Big 16 Championship Game when my Mighty Rebels stomped Summerville and rode the "Green Wave" to a state title. I bet you could hear a pin drop in Summerville since all you guys do is talk about winning cuz we drug Summerville thru the mud like a dead carcass. How early did you leave Columbia that day? Probably at halftime right?
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-04-2008, 12:51 PM
'Tis better to always be a smart ass than to ever be labeled the alternative.
bcgibson75
03-04-2008, 01:25 PM
In that angle, it shows that the light on the backboard behind him came on while the ball appears to still be in his hands almost at the release...very hard to tell because of the quality.
Go to this Spartanburg Herald-Journal link and look at the frame-by-frame pictures----he did get if off.
http://goupstate.com/article/20080303/NEWS/332242160/1011/SPORTS01
But who cares----as a Dorman alum----GO CAVS!!
No, Doug Lowe goes to my family's church back home, and is a classy guy who had a bad, emotional moment, that was caught by TV cameras. Don't judge him just by this episode. He's had a great coaching career, one of the best in the entire state.
ColaCock
03-04-2008, 01:37 PM
Go to this Spartanburg Herald-Journal link and look at the frame-by-frame pictures----he did get if off.
http://goupstate.com/article/20080303/NEWS/332242160/1011/SPORTS01
But who cares----as a Dorman alum----GO CAVS!!
No, Doug Lowe goes to my family's church back home, and is a classy guy who had a bad, emotional moment, that was caught by TV cameras. Don't judge him just by this episode. He's had a great coaching career, one of the best in the entire state.
still hard to tell...between 10 and 11, that light could have came on 1/300th of a second after that 10th frame and theoretically it still would have been on his fingertips.
bottom line is that it is a close call and none any of us could have made. no one can look at that video and clearly say "spartanburg got robbed." it is much too hard to tell and looking at those frames even proves that further. it is just something you have to deal with...i dont think the sudden death rule is fair in the NFL but it goes that way sometimes all on luck. this time and that instant, summerville was lucky...but it was still a great shot no matter what that can always be remembered.
bcgibson75
03-04-2008, 01:44 PM
bottom line is that it is a close call and none any of us could have made. no one can look at that video and clearly say "spartanburg got robbed." it is much too hard to tell and looking at those frames even proves that further. it is just something you have to deal with...i dont think the sudden death rule is fair in the NFL but it goes that way sometimes all on luck. this time and that instant, summerville was lucky...but it was still a great shot no matter what that can always be remembered.
Well, Spartanburg's best player, got in foul trouble the whole game, only had 5 points, think he averaged 18-19 a game.
Thats the main reason they lost before that Hail Mary of a shot went in.
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-04-2008, 01:51 PM
OK,
Another question.
Doesn't replay require "indisputable evidence" to overturn the call by the human refs?
The video evidence from different sources has people coming to different conclusions. So, what if there was instant replay last Friday? Would the refs have all viewed the evidence and immediately overturned their own call? Or would they have squabbled just like this board about individual FRAMES of tape at 30-per-second of what did and did not happen?
DEECOCK
03-04-2008, 01:51 PM
I still dont see how you can wave it off over wanting allowing it to count, if you were the refs. That would have been on Sportscenter top 10 if they gotten the call correct.
KCSuge
03-04-2008, 04:27 PM
'Tis better to always be a smart ass than to ever be labeled the alternative.
Nice comeback. What?
KCSuge
03-04-2008, 04:28 PM
I still dont see how you can wave it off over wanting allowing it to count, if you were the refs. That would have been on Sportscenter top 10 if they gotten the call correct.
Probably right about Sportscenter.
KCSuge
03-04-2008, 04:33 PM
OK,
Another question.
Doesn't replay require "indisputable evidence" to overturn the call by the human refs?
The video evidence from different sources has people coming to different conclusions. So, what if there was instant replay last Friday? Would the refs have all viewed the evidence and immediately overturned their own call? Or would they have squabbled just like this board about individual FRAMES of tape at 30-per-second of what did and did not happen?
What? Look it was a great shot and it should not have been overturned. A part of you must really think it was a good basket cuz you sure do try hard to justify a bad call. Just accept the fact that Summerville was "given" a basketball title.
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-04-2008, 04:45 PM
What? Look it was a great shot and it should not have been overturned. A part of you must really think it was a good basket cuz you sure do try hard to justify a bad call. Just accept the fact that Summerville was "given" a basketball title.Actually, I just like yanking the chain of a bunch of sore losers and self-appointed arbiters of "what should be."
CaptainCrunch
03-04-2008, 10:46 PM
Actually, I just like yanking the chain of a bunch of sore losers and self-appointed arbiters of "what should be."
we are not sore losers you are just being obnoxious now, you sound like some 13 year old. The shot was clearly out of Robinson's hand and Spartanburg got robbed of a State Title, how is that being a sore loser?
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-05-2008, 11:32 AM
"We're not sore losers but the losers got robbed!"
Yeah. Nothing sore about that.
Regalcock
03-05-2008, 11:41 AM
"We're not sore losers but the losers got robbed!"
Yeah. Nothing sore about that.
Seriously dude. How old are you?
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-05-2008, 12:01 PM
Seriously dude. How old are you?I'm probably older than all the sore losers around here fretting and arguing how the end of the game should be something different.
CaptainCrunch
03-05-2008, 12:08 PM
sore losers complain about bad calls. this call has been front page of most sports sections throughout the state. you are worse than arguing with my girlfriend. lets just agree to disagree
Regalcock
03-05-2008, 12:49 PM
I'm probably older than all the sore losers around here fretting and arguing how the end of the game should be something different.
Then quit posting like a 13 yr old flamer. :shotgunc::shotgunc::shotgunc:
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-05-2008, 01:07 PM
sore losers complain about bad calls. this call has been front page of most sports sections throughout the state.You mean throughout Spartanburg? Well, isn't that strange?
Nothing here in the Lowcountry.
Time marches on . . . especially that last 1.7 seconds.
TaterHater1984
03-05-2008, 01:19 PM
You mean about Spartanburg? Well, isn't that strange?
Nothing here in the Lowcountry.Gee Batman, I wonder why this is? Grow up man and stop acting like Summerville dominated Spartanburg. It was a freaking all luck shot that takes no skill to make and you're acting like Summerville had the game the whole time. The only thing Summerville dominated at this past year was sucking ass to my former high school in the football championship.
TaterHater1984
03-05-2008, 01:19 PM
Now go ahead and tell me I sound like a Clemson fan. You sound like a Clemson fan from 06. Sore about losing the football game, but quick to bring up the fact it's basketball season.
Regalcock
03-05-2008, 01:22 PM
You mean throughout Spartanburg? Well, isn't that strange?
Nothing here in the Lowcountry.
Time marches on . . . especially that last 1.7 seconds.
You know what man. I take back all of my posts about you and your posts in this thread.
I understand you are enjoying your moment. :thumbsup:
After that Byrnes whipping you had to endure, especially with the best receiver in the nation and still could not even put up double figures in the scoreboard. That had to be tough.
Congrats to Summerville. They pulled it out, even with some help, they were in good position to win.
TaterHater1984
03-05-2008, 01:24 PM
See, in Summerville we only talk about winning . . . and we talk all the time.:rotfl: :lol: :rotfl: :lol: :rotfl: Funny. We do the same thing in Duncan.
DEECOCK
03-05-2008, 01:33 PM
[quote=Stillwearingmyjoehat]I'm probably older than all the sore losers around here fretting and arguing how the end of the game should be something different.[/quote}
I would rather be a sore loser about some stupid high school basketball game, then act like a loser for 3 days straight on a thread. Seriously dude, do you really act like that in real life.
KCSuge
03-05-2008, 01:56 PM
Actually, I just like yanking the chain of a bunch of sore losers and self-appointed arbiters of "what should be."
Uh. I don't pull for Spartanburg. I'm a Byrnes Rebel. So I'm not sore that they were robbed. Just stating the fact that the last shot WAS good not SHOULD have been good. And I know what your going to say, "Well look at the scoreboard. That says it wasn't good." Or something to that affect. Refs gave you a gift. Just take your TAINTED TITLE and sit back and wait to see if you can make it back to the Big 16 Title Game against Byrnes.
DEECOCK
03-05-2008, 02:11 PM
Uh. I don't pull for Spartanburg. I'm a Byrnes Rebel. So I'm not sore that they were robbed. Just stating the fact that the last shot WAS good not SHOULD have been good. And I know what your going to say, "Well look at the scoreboard. That says it wasn't good." Or something to that affect. Refs gave you a gift. Just take your TAINTED TITLE and sit back and wait to see if you can make it back to the Big 16 Title Game against Byrnes.
Amen!:clap:
Stillwearingmyjoehat
03-05-2008, 02:20 PM
You know what man. I take back all of my posts about you and your posts in this thread.
I understand you are enjoying your moment. :thumbsup:
After that Byrnes whipping you had to endure, especially with the best receiver in the nation and still could not even put up double figures in the scoreboard. That had to be tough.
Congrats to Summerville. They pulled it out, even with some help, they were in good position to win.I was 'eginnin' to wonder if'n anyone would notice.
By the way, since y'all wanna go on and on about football titles, is it OK if I go on and on about South Carolina State AAAA Wrestling championships?
After all, that's got about as much to do with a basketball thread as anything relating to a football game back in December. At least the wrestling title happened this year.
Regalcock
03-05-2008, 04:08 PM
I was 'eginnin' to wonder if'n anyone would notice.
By the way, since y'all wanna go on and on about football titles, is it OK if I go on and on about South Carolina State AAAA Wrestling championships?
After all, that's got about as much to do with a basketball thread as anything relating to a football game back in December. At least the wrestling title happened this year.
I was just putting you and your inane post(s) in perspective.:thumbsup:
Everyone knows the shot should've counted. The end. This thread is dead. The only thing that kept this alive is a few of us trying to figure out if we should pay any attention to anything you say in the future.
Now after junior high lets out. Come on back for the last word in this thread. I am done here.
LtSmokes1
03-08-2008, 07:09 PM
The ref that called the shot off is the principal at my school.
ktguen
03-08-2008, 08:45 PM
The ref that called the shot off is the principal at my school.
seriously?
principals can be refs? interesting.
it is lexington high? (just guessing by where you're from. if thats true then that is my friends second cousin. haha)
Chucktown Gamecock
03-08-2008, 09:51 PM
seriously?
principals can be refs? interesting.
it is lexington high? (just guessing by where you're from. if thats true then that is my friends second cousin. haha)
Yeah! There is a ref in the NFL who is the principle of a catholic high school.
oh, and about this game...I was glad summerville won, because they're local for me. But I think the shot was too close. I couldn't tell... I don't think there was "inconclusive evidence" that it was good.
LtSmokes1
03-13-2008, 10:10 AM
seriously?
principals can be refs? interesting.
it is lexington high? (just guessing by where you're from. if thats true then that is my friends second cousin. haha)
Yeah
Brinkley_Bulldozer52
04-17-2008, 10:56 AM
I know this is old, but I haven't seen it until now. HE TOOK MORE THAN TWO STEPS BEFORE SHOOTING THE BALL!!! THATS A WALK!!! SHOTS DONT COUNT WHEN THEY'RE ILLEGAL SHOTS.
Thank you all and to all a good day
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