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Saw this on rivals where a high school coach designed an offense with 11 eligible receivers. They say it could be the future of football. There's some tape of it too.
http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=825031
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SNEEZ
08-05-2008, 06:01 PM
another gimmick offense that won't take off
FlorenceCock
08-05-2008, 06:15 PM
We had a thread about this weeks ago...
We had a thread about this weeks ago...
sorry to offend you
sc455
08-05-2008, 06:27 PM
We had a thread about this weeks ago...
maybe he was on vacation..sheesh..its not like it was yesterday
TopCockOnTheBlock
08-05-2008, 09:10 PM
Just letting you know:
This formation is illegal in South Carolina high school football.
hunter4
08-05-2008, 09:20 PM
Just letting you know:
This formation is illegal in South Carolina high school football.
WHY?
TopCockOnTheBlock
08-05-2008, 10:10 PM
WHY?
Something about putting too many guys in motion or something.
You know how California is... they'll let you do everything a thousand times wrong and if you do it right once, they'll let it go.
NastyNash
08-05-2008, 10:19 PM
i dont like it .
Gamecock Scott
08-06-2008, 09:07 AM
Just letting you know:
This formation is illegal in South Carolina high school football.
You are incorrect about the formation being illegal. As long as the quarterback lines up at least 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage, the formation and numbering of players is completely legal. This offense was approved by the National Federation, which is the governing body of high school football.
Will the formation be used much? No, probably not. Mostly it will be used to catch a defense off guard.
Sawyer
08-06-2008, 09:22 AM
I saw this article from yahoo several weeks ago. If you read more you will find that the only had mild success.
I saw this article from yahoo several weeks ago. If you read more you will find that the only had mild success.
They turned around a losing program into a consistent playoff team despite a lack of talent.
YouCanNeverTell
08-06-2008, 09:40 AM
It vaguely reminds me of something Calhoun Falls used to do on extra points. They would line up the center, holder and kicker on the ball like normal. Everyone else would be standing towards the sideline with a receiver standing behind them. The depending on how the defense was reacting they would either bring the line over to their normal positions or run the play from the given set. They had a ton of different things they could do from it. It was always neat to watch.
Gamecock Scott
08-06-2008, 12:01 PM
They turned around a losing program into a consistent playoff team despite a lack of talent.
I don't think we can judge how consistent the team is yet. They only started using the offense in 2007. They starte oiut 0-2 and scored 9 points in those 2 games. They finished 7-4 and lost in the first round of the playoffs.
Adiossuck
08-06-2008, 12:12 PM
So this Coach is showing these kids a completly new way to play offense that they have never seen before, and then go to college where they will never see it again..
Im sure thats a good 4 football educational years for that team.
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NastyNash
08-06-2008, 12:41 PM
So this Coach is showing these kids a completly new way to play offense that they have never seen before, and then go to college where they will never see it again..
Im sure thats a good 4 football educational years for that team.
:roll:
that is exactly what i was thinking. Plus how can you tell if a kid is good or not when you can even tell what is going on. :spurrier:
TheManInBlack
08-06-2008, 12:51 PM
Pretty cool idea - but its just taking advantage of HS kids who cant think in time to process what the hell is going on.
Im always impressed with coaches that can bend the rules to completely change the way the game is played to win ballgames and take advantage of a situation.
TopCockOnTheBlock
08-06-2008, 02:07 PM
You are incorrect about the formation being illegal. As long as the quarterback lines up at least 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage, the formation and numbering of players is completely legal. This offense was approved by the National Federation, which is the governing body of high school football.
Will the formation be used much? No, probably not. Mostly it will be used to catch a defense off guard.
No I talked to a high school football coach about it on Monday and he said they tried running it a few years back, but putting any of the players in motion was illegal under South Carolina football rules.
Gamecock Scott
08-06-2008, 02:21 PM
No I talked to a high school football coach about it on Monday and he said they tried running it a few years back, but putting any of the players in motion was illegal under South Carolina football rules.
I officiate high school football and we have been discussing the offense at our meetings and as long as the everyone is completely set for one second, then the offense can put a man in motion, just as all offenses do. The key to the A-11 offense is the quarterback being at least 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage.
In actuality, the offense is in a scrimmage kick formation on every play and they basically frun a fake punt every time.
The offense is definitely legal.
akn4bkn
08-06-2008, 02:43 PM
Why does the QB have to be 7 yards behing the LOS? Not every HS play is a shotgun formation. Can someone explain that, thanks!! PTS to who does.
Gamecock Scott
08-06-2008, 02:52 PM
Why does the QB have to be 7 yards behing the LOS? Not every HS play is a shotgun formation. Can someone explain that, thanks!! PTS to who does.
Normally, in the shotgun, the QB is 5 yards back. In a scrimmage kick formation, the back is at least 7 yards back. That is why the A-11 is legal. It's kind of like a loophole.
Spurticus
08-06-2008, 03:13 PM
What I do like about it:
I've always liked to see coaches create different styles. Offense and Defense, and put some fun and excitement into the game. This is definitely one of those unique Ideas that come along now and then.
It creates positions for a lot of Athletes on the field at one time. It forces your opponent to rething old ideas, and create new ways to counter what you do.
Those who say it's a gimmick offense or it won't work. . . . 20 years ago, people were saying the "West Coast Offense" was a gimmick offense that wouldn't go anywhere past the borders of California. When Green Bay stars running a West Coach Offense. . . . It caught on !!
What I don't like about it:
As someone said earlier. Running this as a base offense, just means that kids in this High School will probably not fit in at a next level college team because of the use of a unique offense. I see it as being very easily disrupted by a solid Defensive line. All you do is line up in a 4 man front against three O/Linemen, and you take away the eligability of three receivers as they now have to stay put to account for the D/Front. You have an extra lineman on the D/Line, so you send him every play. Now and then you send three and you've got a clear shot at either a sack of the QB, or at least rushing him into a bad decision. You rush the D/Players in Gaps to contain the two QBs from taking off.. . . . All you have to do then is play a 3-4 or 4-3 zone behind your four linemen and that should be good enough to take care of the rest of your 6 eligable receivers.
I can see it working as a once or twice a game change up thing. . . .but not as a base offense
reddot8481
08-06-2008, 03:15 PM
This would really depend on the placement of the outside receivers upon the line of scrimmage. The inside linemen couldn't be elligible receivers as at least three inside line would have at least two players outside of them that were lined up along the line of scrimmage. Also having only three downed line man is just asking for a good pass rusher off the end to destroy the QB.
FeartheSpur
08-06-2008, 03:23 PM
you want the other team to burn a time out...put this in
Gamecock Scott
08-06-2008, 03:28 PM
Realize too, that the center can be eligible in this offense as long as he is on the end of the line. Every player is eligible in this offense by their number.
TopCockOnTheBlock
08-06-2008, 09:39 PM
I officiate high school football and we have been discussing the offense at our meetings and as long as the everyone is completely set for one second, then the offense can put a man in motion, just as all offenses do. The key to the A-11 offense is the quarterback being at least 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage.
In actuality, the offense is in a scrimmage kick formation on every play and they basically frun a fake punt every time.
The offense is definitely legal.
The way I heard it is that you can only put one man in motion, but the team in California puts several men in motion.
Gamecock Scott
08-07-2008, 08:27 AM
The way I heard it is that you can only put one man in motion, but the team in California puts several men in motion.
TopCock - There can only be one man in motion at the snap. That is true. All the motion that you are talking about occurs prior to all players being set for one full second as every offense has to adhere to.
There will be a few schools that use this offense. I doubt seriously that any school will use this as their base offense. The innovator of the offense uses it only 60% of the time.
TopCockOnTheBlock
08-07-2008, 05:29 PM
TopCock - There can only be one man in motion at the snap. That is true. All the motion that you are talking about occurs prior to all players being set for one full second as every offense has to adhere to.
There will be a few schools that use this offense. I doubt seriously that any school will use this as their base offense. The innovator of the offense uses it only 60% of the time.
The guy who currently uses it says he is going to try it 85% of the time this year.
The guy I talked to tried it 10 years ago, so the fact that Rivals is reporting this as a new innovation is false reporting.
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