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NA Spur
08-07-2008, 10:13 PM
When August 28 arrives, Who do you think will be our top 3 receivers starting?

We all know Kenny is our main guy with Lecorn looking like our 2nd guy... But who do you think will be the third.?

we have moe brown and whitlock who have had a good fall practice so far and jason barnes and joe hills are two big guys that look for playing time and have practice well. Freddie Brown also has some experience and then you have matt clements who caught a good many passes in the spring game and newcomer D.L. Moore..

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CoverTwo
08-07-2008, 10:16 PM
1. Kenny McKinley
2. Moe Brown
3. Joe Hills

w/ Dion LeCorn, Freddie Brown, CC Whitlock, Jason Barnes, and Matt Clements getting into the rotation.

Tori Childers (assuming he gets into school) and DL Moore redshirt..

captainawesome
08-07-2008, 10:21 PM
1. Kenny McKinley
2. Dion Lecorn
3. Moe Brown
4. Joe Hills
5. Jason Barnes
6. C. C. Whitlock
7. Freddie Brown
8. Others

acrh10
08-07-2008, 10:28 PM
I'm not really sure, covertwo seems to have an inside knowledge so i would go with him. But just curious, does anyone know why joe hills didn't get his medical redshirt or was that not disclosed?

And I think that Dion LeCorn is good, but I don't see him ever being a huge stat guy or an All SEC caliber player. He seems he doesn't have to much potential to get that much better and that is why guys like Hills or Barnes could pass him on the depth chart. I feel he could be a fairly good possesion receiver, or we could possibly try to run some WR screens to him, because of his build I believe the best thing would be to good the ball in his hands so he can fight for those extra yards. Also, he is a dominant blocker. Anyway, just my opinion, I wouldn't mind him proving me wrong and being like a Hines Ward or something like that.

hunter4
08-07-2008, 10:33 PM
1. Kenny McKinley
2. Moe Brown
3. Joe Hills

w/ Dion LeCorn, Freddie Brown, CC Whitlock, Jason Barnes, and Matt Clements getting into the rotation.

Tori Childers (assuming he gets into school) and DL Moore redshirt..

Have you guys even seen this guy play?? Last season and the spring game he has been the clear #2 guy. He will be a top calibur SEC receiver! Last year when no other wr did anything (besides KMAC) he stepped up to the plate as a true frosh.

scrub146
08-07-2008, 10:37 PM
1. Kenny McKinley
2. Dion Lecorn
3. Moe Brown
4. Joe Hills
5. Jason Barnes
6. C. C. Whitlock
7. Freddie Brown
8. Others


I kinda agree with you Captain! This may very well change after the first game though!

RW13
08-07-2008, 10:44 PM
Yeah, LeCorn is the #2 guy. It blows my mind that ppl can't see that. Only someone who has never played football at any level could say anything but positives about LeCorn's PLAY on the field....

usc1
08-07-2008, 10:46 PM
1. Kenny McKinley
2. Dion Lecorn
3. Moe Brown
4. Freddie Brown
5. Joe Hills
6. Jason Barnes
7. CC Whitlock
8. Matt Clements

ConwayGamecock
08-07-2008, 10:51 PM
Right now LeCorn is clearly in the #2 spot......Moe is 3rd, and then I'd actually say Joe Hills is #4. Jason is starting to lag behind Hills as far as our WR's with length goes, and Freddie Brown is going to get his most PT against zone coverages....

CoverTwo
08-07-2008, 10:54 PM
The reason I have Moe ahead of Dion is because he is a burner and is our only legit homerun threat at WR outside of McKinley..He consistently gets behind defenses and if he catches the big one, look out, because he will have a huge season..I have Joe Hills ahead of Lecorn because we need some height out there and Joe has been coming on strong in Fall camp..He will be our breakout receiver this year..He is also our most talented WR.

Dion will have a solid season.

hunter4
08-07-2008, 11:14 PM
The reason I have Moe ahead of Dion is because he is a burner and is our only legit homerun threat at WR outside of McKinley..He consistently gets behind defenses and if he catches the big one, look out, because he will have a huge season..I have Joe Hills ahead of Lecorn because we need some height out there and Joe has been coming on strong in Fall camp..He will be our breakout receiver this year..He is also our most talented WR.

Dion will have a solid season.

I'll believe that about Moe and Hills when I see it. I hope your right b/c we need more threats at wr, but until then I'll go with the proven Lecorn! Who knows, maybe CC will step up?

CoverTwo
08-07-2008, 11:20 PM
I'm not downing LeCorn whatsoever..But he is more of a slot receiver than an outside guy which he played last season..On the outside we need a burner (Moe) and a bigger/jumpball possession receiver (Hills and Barnes)..KMac does his damage in the slot so Dion is left as the 4th guy..I'm not saying he doesnt see the field or that Moe and Hills are better receivers, its just a personel thing..

hunter4
08-07-2008, 11:25 PM
10-4... good thread! Maybe we should change it to which wr will have the most TD's besides KMAC? That will be a challenging Q!

Goofyboy
08-07-2008, 11:43 PM
I like the duo at tight end combined as number 2 or 3 in receptions or touchdowns. They are both tall targets and both offer matchup problems for most defenses.

Gamecock Lifer
08-07-2008, 11:49 PM
I think it is pretty clear we will have a starting WR lineup of:

1. Kenny
2. Lecorn
3. Moe Brown

From what I have seen in practice, Freddie Brown is our most consistent and explosive option past those three. I still see Hills and Barnes as pretty much neck and neck just behind Freddie and when he is healthy probably Clements next... CC Whitlock has also looked really really good, he is fast, shifty and runs decent routes for someone so young. My only knock on CC is size- not only is he a little short- he is really skinny. REALLY skinny. I am worried if he plays a lot this year we might see a nasty injury put on him by an SEC LB... He might need a RS year to get bigger and stronger, not necessarily because he needs to develope his skills more.

I know Barnes, Hills, Moore, Whitlock... have had as many if not more receptions than Lecorn during Fall practice thus far, but IMO- they are getting more work than Lecorn because they NEED it not because the coaches think they are better options. Kenny was getting a lot of work early on because he was rusty after sitting out most of spring drills with a minor injury, but since he has re-established himself as being back to 100% and clearly the best receiver we have this year- one of our best EVER (top 5 or so at least)- he has seen less work too... Spurrier does not want to get either one hurt, he does not want to "waste time" trying too hard to improve guys who are PROVEN commodities, and he does want to develope the young talent that has not shown the ability to take a starting job... Lecorn is our second best receiver, and during Spring drills- with Kenny on the sideline he showed it every day. During the recent practices he has played against Captain almost every time he steps out there, and has done jsut FINE with possibly the best all around DB in the SEC playing him as tough as he can. Lecorn can get it done on the practice field and in the games. I agree with C2 about the height thing- he IS built more like a slot guy, but he has the power of a big RB when he catches it. With his blocking ability and power run style, I view him as almost a hybrid WR/TE... I want to see him in the slot, but we should try to use him to not only be a receiver, but in run plays; suck him in closer to the line right after the snap and play it almsot like we have a 3rd TE out there... get him the ball on reverses (Seen 'em practice that some), and get him involved more in screen passes... OR we can use him down field jsut like any WR. He is a COMPLETE palyer- blocking, route running, catching and making guys miss after the catch, he has great moves and a good head for the game. Lecorn is and will remain our second option at WR, whether he moves in to slot or not, he is our second best one all day.

longcock
08-07-2008, 11:52 PM
Has the staff stopped designating receivers as X, Y, and Z?

Even last year, I thought our depth chart indicated we were still specifically grooming receivers as split ends, flankers, or slots. Although we all know the coaches 'want the best players on the field,' I think we might want to take into account their receiver position, first.

I'm really just curious about this.

doccock
08-08-2008, 12:28 AM
I guess it depends on how receiver is defined. It seems clear that Kenny and Dion should be the top 2 but #3 and 3A would be the TE position. They are both tall and have speed which should create mismatches with LB's.
As far as other WR"s, none have distinguished themselves yet but Moe seems the closest to finally getting over the hump.
doc

USCMusicMan
08-08-2008, 02:00 AM
With his blocking ability and power run style, I view him as almost a hybrid WR/TE... I want to see him in the slot, but we should try to use him to not only be a receiver, but in run plays; suck him in closer to the line right after the snap and play it almsot like we have a 3rd TE out there... get him the ball on reverses (Seen 'em practice that some), and get him involved more in screen passes... OR we can use him down field jsut like any WR.

We did that a couple times last year. He blocked for the running game. He did it so much that they expected him to block for the run and Spurrier tricked them because LeCorn acted like he was going to block and then just ran for the sidelines, caught the ball with noone around him and got the first down...I think it was the Clemson game.

PikeyGamecock
08-08-2008, 02:10 AM
1. Scott "The Burner" Spurrier.

CockySpurrier85
08-08-2008, 02:31 AM
1. Mckinley
2. Lecorn
3. Moe
4. Hills
5. Barnes

Gamecockfanatic4
08-08-2008, 03:11 AM
Mckinley
Moe
Dion
Hills

treyno2722
08-08-2008, 12:55 PM
Of course Kenny. I like LeCorn at No. 2. It seems like everyone has receivers that are 6-3 or taller. We have them (Hills and Moore) but they probably won't be a factor. SOS likes those small, fast possesion receivers. IMHO, I don't think Clements will ever catch a pass for South Carolina. I have followed him since his days at Barron Collier High School and it seems like his attitude always gets in the way. He was booted off his HS team for a couple of weeks during his senior year. I hope he can pull it together because he is a very athletic player.

trusthim4u
08-08-2008, 01:21 PM
to all if they had throw Moe the same passes they throw to Dion then he would have caught them to. If you look at the caughts that Moe had in the last two games they were all slant quick passes. Before that all his passes were deep passes. You don't throw any WR in a system without letting them get warm up to caughting the ball. If they had start Moe off with short passes to get use to caughting the ball then he would had the same stats as Dion. You didn't see them throwing Dion deep passes down the field on his first few passes. Just watch Moe will be the #2 receiver because he know the plays better, more experience, run better routes and has the speed to go with. This is Moe year and he will shine!

treyno2722
08-08-2008, 01:32 PM
Dion LeCorn is a strong possesion receiver. I don't know what his 40 time is but it can't be anywhere close to Moe Brown. I wouldn't send LeCorn deep even on a Hail Mary.

Zee
08-08-2008, 01:43 PM
The reason I have Moe ahead of Dion is because he is a burner and is our only legit homerun threat at WR outside of McKinley..He consistently gets behind defenses and if he catches the big one, look out, because he will have a huge season..I have Joe Hills ahead of Lecorn because we need some height out there and Joe has been coming on strong in Fall camp..He will be our breakout receiver this year..He is also our most talented WR.

Dion will have a solid season.

I disagree with all of that after Kenny. To me it's Kenny, Dion, Moe Brown, Hills.

To put Moe Brown, a proven butterfingers, ahead of Dion-a proven possession receiver with great YAC abilities-is crazy to me. I don't know about you, but I want a tough, proven receiver who is reliable enough to catch a 6 yard pass on 3rd and 5 more than I want a homerun guy who may catch one 30 yard pass game. That's a great guy to have at #3, but behind Kenny I want a guy who can catch the ball and break some tackles. Especially in the redzone. And Hills has the physical tools, but to put him ahead of Lecorn right now is just ridiculous.

crowcutta
08-08-2008, 01:49 PM
im a mckinley, lecorn, m.brown guy, im not really worried about height being an issue. im sure one of the taller young guys or even freddie will step up and get some playing time but moreso in 4 wr sets. i really like lecorn starting in 2 wr sets because of his all around game but moe will probably see some action in the 2 wr sets because of his big play ability. moe has had issues with drops in the past but he did play better down the stretch of last season and has improved in the spring and practices so far, i wouldnt label him a proven butterfingers now.

like i said in an earlier thread, its not something we're likely to see that often but i'd like to see an empty back formation with mckinley, lecorn, m.brown, saunders, and cook.

Zee
08-08-2008, 02:00 PM
I'm not saying Moe can't turn it around, I know he's had a good spring and summer and I'm excited about him stepping up. But I just think it's crazy to put him ahead of Lecorn. But you're right, we'll probably see them both a good bit in the 2 wr set depending on the situation.

Love Boat Captain
08-08-2008, 02:02 PM
I'm not really sure, covertwo seems to have an inside knowledge so i would go with him. But just curious, does anyone know why joe hills didn't get his medical redshirt or was that not disclosed?

And I think that Dion LeCorn is good, but I don't see him ever being a huge stat guy or an All SEC caliber player. He seems he doesn't have to much potential to get that much better and that is why guys like Hills or Barnes could pass him on the depth chart. I feel he could be a fairly good possesion receiver, or we could possibly try to run some WR screens to him, because of his build I believe the best thing would be to good the ball in his hands so he can fight for those extra yards. Also, he is a dominant blocker. Anyway, just my opinion, I wouldn't mind him proving me wrong and being like a Hines Ward or something like that.

I'm not bagging on anyone's opinion but this may be the most amazing thing I have ever seen posted on this board. He doesn't have the ability to get any better?????

Dion Lecorn was named to the all SEC freshman squad last year so I'll go with him being able to become an all SEC caliber WR as he grows as a player.

Anyway:

11 and 18 are who should start with one of the others in the mix. I'd go with Mo Brown based on the practice reports.

alstoon1
08-08-2008, 03:40 PM
i know people around here love how moe could possible stretch the field, but he just han't been able to do it in game situations. personally i think we start the season with 1. Kenny 2. Lecorn 3. Moe Brown. i think by the end of the season we will see 1. Kenny 2 Lecorn 3. Hills. brown couldn't beat out lecron last year and lecorn is only going to get better. Hills is starting to come on and he moves very well when he has the ball in his hands. I just don't think Beech or Smelley have a good enough arm to hit Moe deep enough for him to be utilized like his skill set can be. Moe will play alot this season though.

trusthim4u
08-08-2008, 04:19 PM
as stated before Moe wasn't give n the same passes that Dion got. Moe has played 24 of 25 games. Moe couldn't help his quarterback couldn't get the ball to him. All of you who think Dion is better need to go back and look at Moe hands in high school. He had a quater back who could get him the ball. His high school quaterback throw for over 3000 yrs Moe senior year. He does have good hands and when he shines this year I don't want to see any of you haters on this site talking about how you know that Moe would have a break out year. He will be the #2 receiver when Aug.28th comes you can take that to the bank

Regalcock
08-08-2008, 04:23 PM
K Mac
LeCorn
Brown
Hills
F. Brown
Barnes
CC

Do not underestimate the blocking attributes of strong receivers. Dion is a beast and Freddie will play some because of it as well.

Now the most important thing to me is hands. Can Moe break out finally. I hope so but he has to prove it.

As far as LeCorn goes he can play anywhere and do about anything. Remember the Arky game when they man pressed on the outside as usual and Deon was playing out there...he kept catching fades over the corner with strength and athletic ability, as well as great hands.

Love Boat Captain
08-08-2008, 04:26 PM
Of course Kenny. I like LeCorn at No. 2. It seems like everyone has receivers that are 6-3 or taller. We have them (Hills and Moore) but they probably won't be a factor. SOS likes those small, fast possesion receivers. IMHO, I don't think Clements will ever catch a pass for South Carolina. I have followed him since his days at Barron Collier High School and it seems like his attitude always gets in the way. He was booted off his HS team for a couple of weeks during his senior year. I hope he can pull it together because he is a very athletic player.

Percy Harvin was suspened from all athletic activities by the State of Virginia more than once during his High School career and he has caught A LOT of passes at Florida. Once during football season and once during basketball season if I remember correctly. You may be right but I wouldn't throw him under the bus just yet.

Zee
08-08-2008, 04:27 PM
as stated before Moe wasn't give n the same passes that Dion got. Moe has played 24 of 25 games. Moe couldn't help his quarterback couldn't get the ball to him. All of you who think Dion is better need to go back and look at Moe hands in high school. He had a quater back who could get him the ball. His high school quaterback throw for over 3000 yrs Moe senior year. He does have good hands and when he shines this year I don't want to see any of you haters on this site talking about how you know that Moe would have a break out year. He will be the #2 receiver when Aug.28th comes you can take that to the bank

I wonder why? Oh yea because Dion proved he could catch the ball in critical situations.

I don't see any haters here, nobody is "hating" on Moe. I think he'll be a great asset this year because I've seen that he has had a great summer. I know the ability is there. I think he just needs to get a big grab and gain some confidence. He had his shot last year just like many other receivers and Dion is the one who stepped up.
So you aren't gonna see me push him ahead of Dion (again, a proven receiver) just because he's practiced well. Let's see it on the field. When/if it happens, it'll be for the better and I'm sure everyone will support him.

cockyjordan3
08-08-2008, 04:45 PM
according to rivals
1.kenny
2.moe
3.dion
4.hills
5.freddie
6.CC
7.barnes
8.dl moore
9.clements

cockyjordan3
08-08-2008, 04:47 PM
surprised me i figured dione would be 2, moe 3, freddie 4

Gamecocks4ever
08-08-2008, 05:06 PM
1. Mckinley
2. M. Brown
3. LeCorn
4. Hills

CoryBforHeismanHANH
08-08-2008, 05:59 PM
dion reminds me of mike davis theyre both a little pudgy lol

EvilChicken
08-08-2008, 06:35 PM
I think OJ Murdock is primed for a breakout year!

Goofyboy
08-08-2008, 06:36 PM
My number 2 WR would Lecorn because he is just stronger than most of the corners that will be covering him. If he catches the ball in front of a corner and has room to get squared, they, not he, will give ground. On third down plays, he can get that extra 2 yards after the catch. His blocking originally got him the job, as noted earlier, and it just gives him more versatility whether flanked on a tight-end side or in the slot.

Love Boat Captain
08-08-2008, 07:42 PM
My number 2 WR would Lecorn because he is just stronger than most of the corners that will be covering him. If he catches the ball in front of a corner and has room to get squared, they, not he, will give ground. On third down plays, he can get that extra 2 yards after the catch. His blocking originally got him the job, as noted earlier, and it just gives him more versatility whether flanked on a tight-end side or in the slot.

Nice call and just part of what makes Dion so valuable.

SportyCock
08-08-2008, 08:32 PM
1. Scott "The Burner" Spurrier.

Are you nominating him for our "jump ball" receiver or what? Unfortunately he is about my height, but he does compete hard every practice, so don't knock it!!!

SportyCock
08-08-2008, 08:43 PM
1) Kenny - all around performer
2) Dion - possession guy, great blocker, YAC
3) Moe - Deep threat, blows up if successful early, or gives way to Hills if not
4) Hills in 4 wide sets and subbing for Moe more frequently than anyone subs for Kenny or Dion
5) Freddie, CC, Jason and the gang as subs, mopup, etc.
6) Moore redshirt, maybe Jason too

TE position will be just as important as Kenny and Dion. Depending on coverage of Kenny, all four positions may equal out a bit in production. This would be IDEAL if it happens!!!

hunter4
08-08-2008, 08:49 PM
1) Kenny - all around performer
2) Dion - possession guy, great blocker, YAC
3) Moe - Deep threat, blows up if successful early, or gives way to Hills if not
4) Hills in 4 wide sets and subbing for Moe more frequently than anyone subs for Kenny or Dion
5) Freddie, CC, Jason and the gang as subs, mopup, etc.
6) Moore redshirt, maybe Jason too

TE position will be just as important as Kenny and Dion. Depending on coverage of Kenny, all four positions may equal out a bit in production. This would be IDEAL if it happens!!!

I agree!

Gamecock Lifer
08-08-2008, 09:12 PM
We did that a couple times last year. He blocked for the running game. He did it so much that they expected him to block for the run and Spurrier tricked them because LeCorn acted like he was going to block and then just ran for the sidelines, caught the ball with noone around him and got the first down...I think it was the Clemson game.

Wow, I am so smart, I predicted something that has already happened!!! Yeahhhhhh ME!!
:woo:

W- wait... Aww crap that means I am an idiot.:thumbs:

Gamecock Lifer
08-08-2008, 09:14 PM
OK, now we are talkign WR right?? People keep mentioning TEs, but I do not lump them in unless we start asking who is going to catch the most passes or who is our best "pass catcher"- a TE to me is more of an extended OL guy who can go out for a pass than a WR who hugs the line- you know what I mean??

So if we are talkingstraight WR- my original post stands to my opinion. I might let Saunders or cook in if we are just talking about people who CAN catch passes....

Regalcock
08-10-2008, 12:44 AM
Well, the official word from Jr. came today when asked about the top WR's.

He said..

1-Kenny
2-Moe

and then...Barnes, LeCorn, and Hills are all battling it out closely.

CoverTwo
08-10-2008, 04:10 AM
Well i the official word from Jr. came today when asked about the top WR's.

He said..

1-Kenny
2-Moe

and then...Barnes, LeCorn, and Hills are all battling it out closely.

boom.

McNasty
08-10-2008, 11:32 AM
i think come start of the season, it'll end up Kenny, Lecorn, Moe/Hills. Moe and Joe will sub a lot. Joe when we need a height advantage, Moe for the deep threat. then Barnes and them will get sometime, assuming he doesn't redshirt. Moore will for sure.

CoverTwo
08-10-2008, 11:44 AM
Barnes has already redshirted.

CockRoche
08-10-2008, 12:46 PM
I don't know who will be our second or third guy, but I certainly hope there isn't a big drop off from the number one guy to the second/third guy in receptions as has been the case the last few years.

Dr. Cock
08-10-2008, 01:02 PM
1. Kenny
2. Moe
3. Lecorn (He's got the game time experience)

That right there is an extremely potent and balanced combination. We got Kenny for the best all-around and the slot receiver. We got Moe as our burner, and we got Lecorn as our short pass guy and tough blocker. Hills and Cook got the endzone taken care of, and Saunders is the extra option in any scenario. If our OL blocks good, Beecher won't have to be fantastic to throw to that talent.

Regalcock
08-10-2008, 01:29 PM
Jr. did not sound like Moe had a big advantage either. It was more like.."well I guess you would go with Moe #2". Anyway I am happy Moe has stepped up his game big time.

As for the others, I expect LeCorn to ultimately get the edge but I am happy Barnes and Hills are coming on strong too.

Flameout12
08-10-2008, 02:18 PM
boom.
:clap:Why do they keep posting otherwise? Guess they don't believe Jr.:-?