USC LOGO Change?

[TheGuitarCock]

http://thedigitel.com/top-stories/trojans-strip-gamecocks-sc-mark11649

Um................

107.5 is talking about it.

[2000grad]

http://thedigitel.com/top-stories/trojans-strip-gamecocks-sc-mark11649

Um................

107.5 is talking about it.

I reckon the courts have nothing better to do.

[carolina80]

I wonder where the judge who made this decision went to school?
If we are hindered from using the SC logo in baseball I say declare war on California! Well....at least have a best of 7 series for the rights to the logo.

[ShutTheSuccop]

if we can't use "SC" then why don't we prevent them grom using "USC"...that would be great!

[LeeSC]

Wow, you can actually trademark the use of two letters in conjuction? Ridiculous. I have a feeling if it is appealed it will be overturned.

I guess Texas and Tennessee will be battling for UT before long. Not to mention Ohio State and Oklahoma State for OSU.

[LeeSC]

And I guess the fact that "SC" is the legal abbrevation for this State has no bearing.......what a bunch of idiots.

[ConwayGamecock]

And I guess the fact that "SC" is the legal abbrevation for this State has no bearing.......what a bunch of idiots.

The above linked article actually has an explanation for that...

[carolina80]

pretty soon the "big one" is gonna hit, and we will be left to use the SC all the heck we wwant!

:woo:

Durn I'm mad!

[LeeSC]

The above linked article actually has an explanation for that...

Wow, I really need to lay off the caffeine. I totally missed that part while reading!

[Spur's Addiction]

It's a bunch of horseshit if you ask me.

The logos are not even the similar. The "S" and "C" interlock differently and it's different font. It would be a different story if it was the exact same logo with different colors.

http://thedigitel.com/files/images/leadimages/20080808fail.jpg

[Spur's Addiction]

^ How does anyone confuse those to logos.

How does NY get away with it?
http://www.time4sports.com/mlb/new-york-mets/images/00987metPicture%20007.jpghttp://www.nymlb.com/images/products/yankhau000000.jpg

[carolina80]

It's a bunch of horseshit if you ask me.

The logos are not even the similar. The "S" and "C" interlock differently and it's different font. It would be a different story if it was the exact same logo with different colors.

http://thedigitel.com/files/images/leadimages/20080808fail.jpg



Precisely! Different font...different color...different position.....

No wonder they say California is the land of fruits and nuts!!!!

I'm gonna say something ugly in a minute! I gotta go calm down!
But I'll tell you what...I got 3 caps with that logo; I'm going out and buy a few more for the future, and I'm gonna wear 'em as long as I got breath in me. And just let em say something....I'd like to see em try!!!:-x:mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Spur's Addiction]

Time to go out and find another one of these caps before they pull them from the shelves.

[CarolinaGirl82]

That means I need to get one as well. I don't have any....

[carolina80]

Think I'm gonna go out and buy majority stock in the condom company and then force Southern Cal to stop using the name Trojans.

Some judge's daddy forgot his one night, and now we're suffering for it!

Am I miffed? #@%&**$%#@ I need a valium!!!!!

[FoghornLeghornCock]

What I don't get is the media tells us this team should be referred to as USC and we are South Carolina. So we have SC on our hats and now I guess they also want Southern Cal "SC" as well as their logo instead of USC which would be logical. All I know is South Carolina has been around much longer than they have so we should have first dibs.

[ColaCock]

All I know is South Carolina has been around much longer than they have so we should have first dibs.

Our University was established a half century before California was even a state.

[El Cid Gamecock]

Absolutely ridiculous. So they get USC & SC?

[Spur's Addiction]

Only one way to settle this.

Have Tanner's boys play them in a three game series on a neutral field - winner gets the logo.

[TStone]

Absolutely ridiculous. So they get USC & SC?


Basically... and we only get USC.

[El Cid Gamecock]

How hilarious would that be if we played for the logo? I mean you always hear stuff like who is the real Carolina, but if it was actually something at stake...that would be awesome. Imagine the press.

That sounds like something out of the WWF.

[LeeSC]

Basically... and we only get USC.

Actually, we only get to share USC.

[SGTGamecock]

And I guess the fact that "SC" is the legal abbrevation for this State has no bearing.......what a bunch of idiots.

I agree totally

[TStone]

Actually, we only get to share USC.


...but we are using it, so we "get" it. Unlike the SC logo which we don't get at all.

[hellraiser24]

this is just ridiculous. why does so cal care so much? they are all the way on the westcoast

[spurmanski]

I hate it badly for Coach Ray...he developed it and used it. I wonder if there is not more to this though.
1. The geniuses in our mysterious marketing circles have started to try to pull everything under the C-Bird Mark in the last year.
2. Some of yall hate the so-caled Holtz USC which I like but the geniuses are trying to dump
3. I dont know how suddenly but a ruling to kill Coach Ray's great logo

Makes this grump suspicious of how hard we struggled to keep the SC!!!
:thumbs:

[cockysousa]

Actually, we only get to share USC.

We don't even really get USC. The media has made sure of that.

[carolina80]

I say appeal this decision, keep using the logo while it is still in litigation, and keep it tied up in the courts until the Pacific beaches are in Las Vegas!:angrycoc::angrycoc::angrycoc:

[cockysousa]

This irks me in a way that makes me want to curse so bad that I can't even bring myself to say anything. I'm speechless. WTF?

[JKeatsbabies]

Well i thought that Overrated state was the team i most dispised (behind klempsun of course) but hell So Cal is taking the cake. We should take the USC name trademark to court so they cant be called USC by ESPN.

[cockysousa]

From the article . . .

Oh, and incase you were wondering why this doesn't affect the "USC" logo, and why both schools use it, the two schools have an agreement dating back to August of 1981, saying in part:

1. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA shall not object and hereby consents to the use by SOUTH CAROLINA or its licensees, distributors or other lawful designees of the designation USC on and in connection with educational and related services as well as consumer products of varying description. ...
2. SOUTH CAROLINA shall not object and hereby consents to the use by SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA or its licensees, distributors or other lawful designees of the designation USC on and in connection with educational and related services as well as consumer products of varying description. ... [Page 40]

[carolina80]

btw, and not that it matters to me....but shouldn't this thread be in The Sarge?

[carolinathru&thru]

So now we have to depict something different on our baseball caps?

[El Cid Gamecock]

Why would So Cal had pursued this in the first place? That's insane, IMO. They are quickly rising to the top of my list of most hated teams.

Maybe, California will get a patent on "Worst State Ever" and then I will have to think of something else to call Ohio.

[CarolinaGirl82]

Why are they doing it now? We both have been using the logo for some time now....Has it ever come up before?

[wncmountaincock]

That burns me up.:-x:shotgunc:

[WeHailTheeCarolina]

F*CK THOSE MOTHERF*CKIN FA*GOTS

[gamecockphan]

Why does California get it? They had the (official) trademark first and South Carolina was trying to get it revoked, to which the board said:

Any rights in “SC” Carolina might have had prior to 1982 were abandoned due to Carolina’s nonuse of “SC” between 1982 and 1991. [Page 91]


By this logic- any right So Cal had to contest this should be null since they waited 17 years.

[carolina80]

Southern Cal just vaulted past Tennessee and Georgia to #2 on my Most Hated Schools list!
:shotgunc::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::shotgunc:

[willy]

Wow, you can actually trademark the use of two letters in conjuction? Ridiculous. I have a feeling if it is appealed it will be overturned.

I guess Texas and Tennessee will be battling for UT before long. Not to mention Ohio State and Oklahoma State for OSU.



I think that it will be appealed also.

[USCya]

F*CK THOSE MOTHERF*CKIN FA*GOTS


:rotfl: How do you really feel? :rotfl:

[LeeSC]

I have a idea for a new logo



S (middle finger)C




I wonder if they have the patent on that!:rotfl:

[ColaCock]

It's a bunch of horseshit if you ask me.

The logos are not even the similar. The "S" and "C" interlock differently and it's different font. It would be a different story if it was the exact same logo with different colors.

http://thedigitel.com/files/images/leadimages/20080808fail.jpg


FWIW, and I'm certainly not siding with Southern Cal, but that isn't the interlocking SC logo they actually have a problem with. They have another interlocking SC logo that has the same placement as ours.

[LeeSC]

FWIW, and I'm certainly not siding with Southern Cal, but that isn't the interlocking SC logo they actually have a problem with. They have another interlocking SC logo that has the same placement as ours.

I thought our similar interlocking design was U-S-C though (I actually have polo with this on it). I have never seen a design other than Ray's with just SC.

[sc455]

let me tell ya, if unc sues us for using "carolina" i am going to go postal.

[ColaCock]

I thought our similar interlocking design was U-S-C though. I have never seen a design other than Ray's with just SC.

No, I meant the SC logo that Southern Cal uses and feels like our SC logo is too identical to ISN'T the one in the article on the hats. Here:

http://www.sportsfanshop.com/images/items/1419528221.jpg

[LeeSC]

No, I meant the SC logo that Southern Cal uses and feels like our SC logo is too identical to ISN'T the one in the article on the hats. Here:

http://www.sportsfanshop.com/images/items/1419528221.jpg


Ahh, OK.


Google search SC and see who really deserves the letters!

[TheGuitarCock]

Holy crap thats ugly and I've never seen it before....ew

[El Cid Gamecock]

I have never seen that. What do they use it for, Softball?

[ColaCock]

I have never seen that. What do they use it for, Softball?

Baseball.

[sccock4life]

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't modify their logo now to look like our SC baseball logo. Maybe we can incorporate a U into ours and keep it. I'm glad this came out when it did, I was about to get a tatoo of it (our sc logo)....lol.

[ColaCock]

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't modify their logo now to look like our SC baseball logo.

They couldn't do that, the logo itself is still trademarked. They do that and they have a lawsuit coming for THEM.

[GamecockSuperVisor]

Why can't the State paper take on stories like these and show a little SC pride and defend us? My first post!

[carolina80]

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't modify their logo now to look like our SC baseball logo. Maybe we can incorporate a U into ours and keep it. I'm glad this came out when it did, I was about to get a tatoo of it (our sc logo)....lol.


go for it bro! DO IT!!!!

I'm so mad right now, I'd get one put on my forehead!

:angrycoc::angrycoc::angrycoc::angrycoc:

[carolina80]

WOW SuperVisor....that's an OLD pic in your avatar!
Good 1st post by the way!

[cockypoppy068]

I say appeal this decision, keep using the logo while it is still in litigation, and keep it tied up in the courts until the Pacific beaches are in Las Vegas!:angrycoc::angrycoc::angrycoc:

:woo::woo::woo:

[El Cid Gamecock]

Tell me that is not a global warming fueled comment! Let's leave our political agendas for another forum!

[ColaCock]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/SCHelmetProject/Baseball_Logo_fake.jpg

[bertoholic]

**** southern california community college. i hope another earthquake hits and swallows that place. i guarandamntee you they don't lose a bit of money because of our sc logo. and how the hell can you claim to be the college of a geographic region. i can understand cities and states even countries, but seriously. i officially hate southern fagofornia more than tennesse now. pete carroll and his pretty ass and everybody else out there can go to hell.

edit sorry about the rant. i feel better now and can be a good boy.

[carolina80]

Tell me that is not a global warming fueled comment! Let's leave our political agendas for another forum!


I was referring to the big earthquake, not global warming!:roll:

[atrain3067]

Duce and the gang talking about this during the Halftime Show on 107.5 The Game.

[Cocklover]

yeah, they just said they are talking about now, i didn't think anything was ruled on yet.

[atrain3067]

yeah, they just said they are talking about now, i didn't think anything was ruled on yet.

I didn't either. I always knew it was a little tug of war, who the real USC was and all, didn't know it had become a legal battle though.

[ColaCock]

I didn't either. I always knew it was a little tug of war, who the real USC was and all, didn't know it had become a legal battle though.

It's been a legal battle for many years now...just very slow progress. Unfortunately, if there is any blame at all it has to go to the USC (South Carolina) PR Department. These logos and identities go on a "use it or lose it" basis and we pretty much abandoned the "SC" moniker for many years until Ray had it appear on our baseball uniforms.

[22cocky]

those Fags in Southern California, just something else for me not to like about them and there state

[USCocks3]

I don't see how SoCal justifies this lawsuit whatsoever. The logos are NOT SIMILAR AT ALL!! The only thing that's even remotely close are the two letters!! What do they want us to do, change the name of our state?!?!? RIDICULOUS!!

[EvilChicken]

Our University was established a half century before California was even a state.

Yeah, but unfortunately, who has done more with their athletics program? To the victor go the spoils. Sucks, but...

[TheGuitarCock]

So is this final?

[bertoholic]

Yeah, but unfortunately, who has done more with their athletics program? To the victor go the spoils. Sucks, but...

that has no legal basis, and would not affect the ruling. i understand the ruling and accept it for what what it is, but southern california community college can go to hell for raising the issue.

[go_carolina_528]

I hate to say this but we weren't a university until the early 1900's. We were South Carolina College throughout the 1800's.

[EvilChicken]

that has no legal basis, and would not affect the ruling. i understand the ruling and accept it for what what it is, but southern california community college can go to hell for raising the issue.

Since when has legal basis for anything prevented emotion, perception, and stupidity from entering the picture? This was a stupid decision.

[ColaCock]

I hate to say this but we weren't a university until the early 1900's. We were South Carolina College throughout the 1800's.


Excuse me, we were a EDUCATIONAL ESTABLISHMENT before California was a state.

[talon]

I love the baseball logo. I wonder what Tanner will do with the unis.

[bertoholic]

Since when has legal basis for anything prevented emotion, perception, and stupidity from entering the picture? This was a stupid decision.

your point is valid. i just hate when people use their success to justify their existence as SC and USC.

I hate to say this but we weren't a university until the early 1900's. We were South Carolina College throughout the 1800's.

actually we were recognize as the University of South Carolina about 20 years before California was a state, however when Pitchfork Ben was elected gov. he stripped the university title away.

[El Cid Gamecock]

I wonder what Mark May's opinion on this is?

[Gamecockfanatic4]

this is a bunch of Ridiculous BS if you ask me

[XLcock86]

this is a bunch of Ridiculous BS if you ask me:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Garnet&BlackAttack]

We ARE still going to use our baseball logo...the only thing that changes is that ours won't be trademarked. that's it.

[SCCOOP]

just like a bunch of whinney cali boys, WE ARE SOUTH CAROLINA! Which state was founded first? Which school has been around longer? Their just pissed because they are in a shitty conference, and most of teams blow anyway! So saying that....GO FIGHT,WIN,KICK ASS, GO COCKS!:woo:

[The Gamecock Outlaw]

I say F the courts and our flawed system and still use the SC and if the Trojans have a problem with it, tell em to come get it like a red cross. We'll F the Queers up!

[ShutTheSuccop]

I really think that this can be appealed. It seems to me that there as so many examples in sports of teams with "similar" signage on hats. how can one say that the "own" a mix of letters? If in fact our trademark was grated for our SC, then I think taht we have the right to use it. According to the article, we have been using it since 1991. What is the statute of limitations on these types of lawsuits. If this is the case, then I think that the NCAA should step in and graft the right to a school to use whatever LOGO it wants...otherwise, grambling and Georgia will fight over the circle G, Texas and Tennessee will fight over the UT. next thing you know, teams will ahve to change their mascot b/c they don't want to be confused with any other team taht may be the same. This is pure lunacy. I really hope that we pursue this to the supreme court (if that is the proper court for this type of situation). I mean for God's sake...www.sc.edu takes you to the UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA HOMEPAGE!!!!! That shows that we own the right to use SC WTF?

[Gamerooster]

Soouthern California has not claimed that we can't use the logo, at least not in this case. They only opposed a trademark issued to us and won. If they don't want us to use it then they would have to sue us to force us to stop. That may be a much more difficult case to win and who knows if they would do that.

[ColaCock]

I really think that this can be appealed. It seems to me that there as so many examples in sports of teams with "similar" signage on hats. how can one say that the "own" a mix of letters? If in fact our trademark was grated for our SC, then I think taht we have the right to use it. According to the article, we have been using it since 1991. What is the statute of limitations on these types of lawsuits. If this is the case, then I think that the NCAA should step in and graft the right to a school to use whatever LOGO it wants...otherwise, grambling and Georgia will fight over the circle G, Texas and Tennessee will fight over the UT. next thing you know, teams will ahve to change their mascot b/c they don't want to be confused with any other team taht may be the same. This is pure lunacy. I really hope that we pursue this to the supreme court (if that is the proper court for this type of situation). I mean for God's sake...www.sc.edu (http://www.sc.edu) takes you to the UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA HOMEPAGE!!!!! That shows that we own the right to use SC WTF?

I really don't want to let you in on these things man cause I am right with ya, but I have found some details:

1. You can't trademark letters...you can trademark how they are laid out to form a logo.

2. Georgia uses the G in license under the Packers.

3. Tennessee and Texas made an agreement back in the day to where Tennessee has to limit use of "UT" and Texas has to limit it's use of just using "T".

4. Three years of non-use is considered abandonment.

[wncmountaincock]

TrademarkAssistanceCenter@uspto.gov That is a link to raise hell at these fools.I have already gave them a piece of my mind.I encourage y'all to do the same.

[APalmetto10]

California sucks. Are they next going to mandate you can't mail a letter to to Anytown, SC?

[Spur]

I really think that this can be appealed. It seems to me that there as so many examples in sports of teams with "similar" signage on hats. how can one say that the "own" a mix of letters? If in fact our trademark was grated for our SC, then I think taht we have the right to use it. According to the article, we have been using it since 1991. What is the statute of limitations on these types of lawsuits. If this is the case, then I think that the NCAA should step in and graft the right to a school to use whatever LOGO it wants...otherwise, grambling and Georgia will fight over the circle G, Texas and Tennessee will fight over the UT. next thing you know, teams will ahve to change their mascot b/c they don't want to be confused with any other team taht may be the same. This is pure lunacy. I really hope that we pursue this to the supreme court (if that is the proper court for this type of situation). I mean for God's sake...www.sc.edu (http://www.sc.edu) takes you to the UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA HOMEPAGE!!!!! That shows that we own the right to use SC WTF?

Georgia/Packers and Tennessee/Texas both did what we SHOULD HAVE DONE and that was sit down and discuss a rational way for both sides to keep what they wanted

They all came to agreements

In addition, Georgetown/Georgia/Yale all use that fighting Bulldog logo that Yale started using. Of course, it has changed for all schools but they all sat down years and years ago and came to a written agreement that ALL could use it.

I just wish we had done something of the such awhile ago

[ShutTheSuccop]

Georgia/Packers and Tennessee/Texas both did what we SHOULD HAVE DONE and that was sit down and discuss a rational way for both sides to keep what they wanted

They all came to agreements

In addition, Georgetown/Georgia/Yale all use that fighting Bulldog logo that Yale started using. Of course, it has changed for all schools but they all sat down years and years ago and came to a written agreement that ALL could use it.

I just wish we had done something of the such awhile ago

Is it too late to do this now that there has been a ruling? As an attorney, what is your opinion? Just wondering

[ShutTheSuccop]

Who won the last time we played football?

[cockysousa]

Sorry, we play in a real conference. Not the weak-10. :woo:

[TheGuitarCock]

You wanna take on Tanner and the boys to a best of 3 series on a nuetral site? Best of 3. Play for the logo.

We should do that :woo:

[CoolCockyChick]

GUYS - KEEP THE SMACK OUT NOW AND QUIT GOING BACK AND FORTH!

[CoolCockyChick]

Sorry

I've sent you a PM about the rules of this forum.

As for the other people, y'all are responding and continuing the foolishness faster than I can delete posts. If you can't discuss it maturely then don't post.

[LeeSC]

I've sent you a PM about the rules of this forum.

As for the other people, y'all are responding and continuing the foolishness faster than I can delete posts. If you can't discuss it maturely then don't post.

Not to change the subject, but I must have really been away a while. When did CoolCockyChick become a Mod?


Anywho............there is something sexy about a woman in a position of power!!!:bow:

[CoolCockyChick]

Not to change the subject, but I must have really been away a while. When did CoolCockyChick become a Mod?


Anywho............there is something sexy about a woman in a position of power!!!:bow:


I had to promise to bake cookies and homemade meals every night for the other mods :lol:

[Spur]

Good grief we get some weirdos at times

[CackDiesel]

"nothing like waking up next to a woman and having to salute her"

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/specialengagements/afewgoodmenjack1.JPG

[CoolCockyChick]

Good grief we get some weirdos at times

Quit talking about me spur :lol:

[Spur]

:lol:

That didn't come out right

I meant the guy we just gave a vacation!

[Spartan]

You wanna take on Tanner and the boys to a best of 3 series on a nuetral site? Best of 3. Play for the logo.

We should do that :woo:

Well, we played for "The USC" last time we played football. Thats why we have "THE USC" painted on the old smoke stack on the Horseshoe. But when we won, So Cal reneged.

[Spartan]

We ARE still going to use our baseball logo...the only thing that changes is that ours won't be trademarked. that's it.

Are you sure about that? I'm not doubting, but I'd like to know how you know this.

[CackDiesel]

difference between them and us
University of South Carolina= The University of a Great SOUTHERN State
University of Southern California=A University in a Southern Part of a State.

[Spartan]

Here is a link that I bookmarked from the Gamecock a few years back about the USC vs So Cal logo battle:

Gamecocks, Trojans in dispute over logo (http://media.www.dailygamecock.com/media/storage/paper247/news/2005/11/30/News/Gamecocks.Trojans.In.Dispute.Over.Logo-1116060.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailygamecock.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com) (The Daily Gamecock)
Trojans, Cocks Interlocked in Logo Battle (http://boifromtroy.com/?p=4911) (Trojan Blog)

[LeeSC]

Good grief we get some weirdos at times

Quit talking about me spur :lol:



Noticed he said "at times" so we knew he wasn't talking about you.


Now, if he would have said all the time :thumbsup:...........

[go_carolina_528]

I sent an email a little while ago. I will post a response if i get one.

[TheGuitarCock]

We are getting to keep the "SC" logo. Per 107.5 they talked with Ray Tanner and he said everything is "cool". We can still use it (Hat, Uniforms) we just can't trademark it.

:woo:

[usc1]

And since when does southern cal have power over us anyway?

[GCocks]

nm

[Spartan]

Its all BS lawyer technicalities. We have history on our side, but the courts didn't view that as relevant because "history" is not a university logo. The only reason we were not able to trademark "SC" is because the University didn't use that design during the late the 1980s (at least not actively). Because we can't prove that we had used SC in some form during that period, we lost "priority rights" to the "SC" trademarking. The fact that 99% of everywhere knows that SC means South Carolina is irrelevant because of a BS technical nuance. Common sense is dead in the court system.


In summary, we find that Carolina’s (...)counterclaim must fail because Carolina has not proven its priority, i.e., its ownership of a mark which is “previously used ... and not abandoned.” Any rights in “SC” Carolina might have had prior to 1982 were abandoned due to Carolina’s nonuse of “SC” between 1982 and 1991. Carolina’s priority date was reset when it adopted the Carolina Descending Interlock mark [[the old baseball logo that looked like the current SoCal "SC" logo]] in 1991, but it abandoned that mark at least as early as 1998 upon adoption of the new and materially different Carolina Baseball Logo mark. Finally, apart from Carolina’s own use, there is no evidence of any other use, prior or otherwise, of “SC” by the State of South Carolina in connection with the goods and services at issue in this case, and therefore there is no use by the state upon which Carolina might rely for priority purposes (assuming that Carolina would be entitled to rely on the state’s use in any event).


At least we can still use the logo.