CockyTalk

Welcome to Cockytalk!

Thank you for visiting our forum. As a guest, you have limited access to view some discussion and articles. By joining our free community, you will be able to view all discussions and articles, post your own topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload photos, participate in Pick'Em contests and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, so please join our community today!!

If you have any problems registering or logging in, please contact our Admins. Thanks!

Go Back   CockyTalk > Member List

Today's Top 10
Posters (by posts)Threads (by views)Newest Posts Gamecock Headlines 
The Yancey
Cocks N Stuff
ConwayGamecock
Sandstorm29
Gamecocks1137
Cockypantherfan
Lonnie
CoverTwo
cockybreeyan
Travelin
Wilds & Carson B (1266)
Marquavius Lewis (1158)
How Long Will The Re (766)
Restaurant musts in (603)
S & F article on (361)
So, why is next year (352)
Brad Lawing USC / Fl (304)
Spurrier Says " (226)
Schuyler Rimmer 6'10 (176)
'Lord of the Rings: (133)
Wilds & Carson Back f
So, why is next year goin
2015 Commitment - Sherrod
2015 - Mark Fields
2015 - Jeremiah Dinson -
Schuyler Rimmer 6'10"
Marquavius Lewis
The Vent and Coaching cha
How Long Will The Rebuild
2015 Commitment - Dexter


Cocky2001 is USC mascot materialCocky2001 is USC mascot materialCocky2001 is USC mascot materialCocky2001 is USC mascot materialCocky2001 is USC mascot materialCocky2001 is USC mascot materialCocky2001 is USC mascot materialCocky2001 is USC mascot materialCocky2001 is USC mascot materialCocky2001 is USC mascot materialCocky2001 is USC mascot material

Cocky2001 Cocky2001 is offline

Blue Chip

My Gifts! (Powered by MyLs1.com)

Gifts received 1

Visitor Messages

Showing Visitor Messages 1 to 9 of 9
  1. TheUSCMike
    11-04-2014 05:01 PM
    TheUSCMike
    Thanks for the points.
  2. swampcock65
    10-05-2014 08:05 AM
    swampcock65
    have you ever seen such a coaching debacle in all your life? run the dang ball. i am through with SOS....love him and thank him for what he has meant and done for USC but last night i saw a coach that had to prove he could throw the ball and win this game. run the dang ball. whammy is somewhat clueless i think....the very least he needs to go
  3. brat
    12-02-2013 11:11 PM
    brat
    As I find myself writing essentially the same thing, at least a couple of times a year, year after year, seems the best way to keep it handy for quick reference is to put it into the Archives.

    Those with other points or other specifics may certainly add to the long line of abuses under which we suffered.

    Not as fancy or stylized, but I look at is as sort of a Gamecock 'Declaration of Independence".
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    There were several reasons why we left the ACC.

    A double standard from the ACC toward USC than any other school was a key element of
    friction. If a student-athlete's eligibility came into question, he had
    to stop playing until it was determined if he really was eligible to play or
    not. Sounds reasonable until you realize that this was for USC only, while any
    other ACC school could allow their kids to keep playing unless it was later
    determined something was wrong. This stemmed from a situation that was created
    by certain ACC'ers themselves which is mentioned in the next
    paragraph.

    Right before Frank McGuire's death, some ACC officials met with
    him and told him that they had plotted to keep out of the league what was
    Frank's biggest recruit ever (Mike Grosso..some considered the second highest
    rated HS kid his senior year behind one Lew Alcindor aka Kareem Abdul Jabbar). They came to ask for his forgiveness before he died.

    UNC and Duke, among many others, wanted this kid, too, but he snubbed them in
    favor of us. He enrolled at USC and was looking forward to being able to play the following year. Grosso and the other Freshman that came to Carolina with him, routed the varsity when they played.
    His uncle ran and owned a small bar and he (the uncle)
    was the one and only employee. He paid for the tuition of his nephew and wrote it on a
    check that had the bar name on it instead of a check in his personal name. This was not a violation by rules of the NCAA.

    Turns out that Eddie Cameron, of Duke, who had hated for McGuire, got ACC support to create a new rule to circumvent things
    and hurt McGuire, USC, and this innocent kid. Duke and many other ACC teams recruited Grosso, but were spurned by him.
    Grosso scored a 789 on his SAT. Back then, Freshmen vould not play varsity sports, so he came to play on
    the Frosh basketball team. Nine months after his enrollment, the ACC created a new rule saying that any student with less than 800 on the SAT could never play in the ACC. To further things, the ACC made an internal review of his recruitment )I read a version (which I cannot verify the source as being accurate...namely off one of the ACC school sites discussing the matter months ago) of this where ACC people barged in on the Grosso family in the middle of the night and gave them the third degree to pressure them in hoped of uncovering some viable evidence and deemed that since the check was written on a business a count instead of a personal account, that a violation had been made, as if to somehow justify their new standards held against Grosso. While the ACC investigators did not find real proof (admission of guilt or paper trail of money being sent to the family, etc.), their investigators decided the family could not afford to pay his tuition. Why, I guess, that shows why Grosso's parents did not pay it and his uncle did, with money from his own business of which he had no employees.

    He transferred to Cincinnati, blew out his knee and never had the career
    most thought he would. I read an article recently about him, written a couple
    of years ago, where he said he has had a difficult life with relationships and
    such and until the last few years remained haunted by what happened to him and
    he never forgave the ACC for doing what they did to him.

    UNC was found to have been allowing, for many years, two kids each season, that did not meet standards
    to enroll at that school and play football. Paul Dietzel, who had been trying to
    slightly lower the bar to compete with the SEC schools and other conferences for
    local kids, found out about it and asked the same thing be allowed at USC. His
    request was denied. When he protested about UNC doing it, they stopped, but was
    never penalized for their own violations of ACC law.

    The funny thing was, USC was decades ahead of its time trying to convince the ACC that football was the real cash cow of the conference (and all of college sports), not basketball. We were sick and tired of losing our best in state players to the SEC because the requirements were significantly higher, set by the ACC, not the NCAA. We wanted to meet the lower standards so that our student-athletes could get into school more easily and improve the product brand of the ACC. We were denied this attempt and it came to be that every time we brought a subject up for a vote that we introduced in an attempt to help the ACC, it was voted down in unanimous fashion by the other schools, 0-7. This was the result of, no doubt, more collusion and secret arm twisting by UNC and Duke.

    USC was the league doormat for ages in most sports, basketball being the king sport in the ACC,
    made that all the more pleasing to the Tobacco Roaders. When Frank built a team
    that started beating them, it inflamed their hatred of him and us and the state of South Carolina.

    Some very few people say that leaving the ACC was the worst thing we ever did. If you were alive back then and old enough to have to remember those days, you would disagree,
    vehemently. Think of the rivalry and hatred most feel toward Clempson. Multiply
    that by four or five times and you would be close to the hatred the ACC had for
    us and we for them, basically all because we simply wanted equal treatment and
    for the ACC not to be ruled by, UNC and Duke.

    The famous fight with Maryland? I was actually there, because as a kid, I was at every home game. It's cause was due to Maryland players throwing elbows all game long and Lefty did nothing to stop
    his kids doing it. With 5 minutes left in the game, we were winning by
    about 25 points, nearing 100 points, and a Maryland player took a cheap shot at Rick Adylett, hitting him in the head, as drove in for a lay up.
    Enough was enough, and our kids let them have it. Lefty got what he deserved for not pulling his
    cheap shot artists with the elbows.

    After that point and the very unflattering Sports Illustrated issue on John Roche and the team, it was
    impossible to stay in the league. Each time our kids traveled, let alone fans,
    they were cursed with extreme profanity, hung Roche in effigy, had trash thrown at them, heated coins, gum
    tossed in their hair, threats were made and cruel taunts were made about Frankie, Jr.
    McGuire's boy, a young teenager who had a severe case of MS and was
    mentally handicapped which left him with the capacity of about a two year old. Several times, Frank had to be restrained from going into the stands
    at away games (Clempson) because of those taunts.

    When USC won the 1971 ACC basketball tournament, 52-51 on a last second shot, two or three seconds after
    the game concluded, someone pulled the plug on the broadcast, refusing to show
    the Gamecock fans or their team celebrating their biggest and best victory. That is the only time that has ever happened, so it was intentional. You bet your ass if UNC won that game, every celebration, every award would have been broadcast, like it has been every other year and they probably would have interviewed the guy who had the job to lock the building up at night. Additionally, there were co-MVP's of the
    tournament. Only one award was available at the end of the game, of course.
    Instead of giving it to John Roche, the guy on the team that just won the
    tournament, they gave it to the other guy, on the team that lost, who played for
    UNC. Saw an article about Roche not too long ago and when asked about that, he
    mentioned he never received his award. He really didn't care since he doesn't
    display any of his memorabilia.

    Even back then many, many Clempson fans pulled for USC in basketball because, they too, hated the ACC teams and they couldn't beat any of the powers. In fact,
    Clempson had agreed to pull out with USC to try to force the ACC to change. USC
    wanted to do a joint withdrawal, at the same press conference, but Clempson
    asked us to do it in the morning and they would follow in the afternoon. The
    story is that word got out to ACC people about what was about to happen and they
    met with Clempson and told them to stay in the ACC or they would be turned into
    the NCAA for another series of football recruiting violations. Stay and everything would be forgotten. They did not keep their word to us and we left the ACC, alone. I vividly remember that day and the USC fans
    were joyous, such was the hatred of the ACC. It was like a heavy weight had been
    lifted from us. Freedom!!! We were tired of being the red headed step child. To this day, I
    despise the ACC and am angry that we ever play any of them, in any sport, unless
    it is in a bowl game or NCAA's where we have no choice, and I even include
    Clempson in that group. If Clempson had followed through, I believe our rivalry
    would not be nearly as bitter as it is today.

    Some forget (and this incident was before my time following the team) was that Duke, again, got pissed at McGuire and USC and actually was allowed by the ACC not to play us for a basketball season. If we had tried to request such a thing, you know darn well it would have been refused. Shortly before we decided to leave the ACC, Maryland and a few other ACC teams were making comments that they would refuse to play us again as long as McGuire was our coach.

    Few recall that a few years after we left the ACC and before GT joined (thus, the 7 original schools
    were left), we approached the ACC to rejoin as the SAT standards had been dropped to
    a level similar to what we had wanted (two months after we left the conference) and we also felt some of the raw emotions and bitterness may have subsided by then.

    The ACC agreed to let us back in if we did the following:

    Pay a fee to be readmitted (nothing wrong with that)

    Not be eligible to play for any ACC title for at least 3 years. (no reason for that other than spite)

    We had to repay the ACC all the money they would have gotten from us for gates, TV appearances, etc, from the moment we left the conference, just as if we had never gone and even though they did
    nothing to earn that money. That probably would have added a couple million to
    pay out, at least. That was lots of money, back then. (greed)

    We had to offer a public apology to the ACC for ever leaving and admit we were wrong in
    doing so. (humiliation)

    Promise to never leave the ACC, again. (remove our last right of protest)

    All of that was in The State Newspaper and I remember reading it as if it were yesterday.

    That was proof that the ACC would still treat us like garbage. The best day,
    despite the difficulty of competition, USC ever had in sports was the day we
    joined the SEC for they treat us as full equals. The second best day was the day
    we left the ACC only because it eventually led us to the SEC.
  4. brat
    12-02-2013 10:57 PM
    brat
    Thanks for all the kind words. One of the few benefits of getting older is the amount of memories you pick up along the way.

    I have written the major parts of our leaving the ACC down several times, several boards over the years. Maybe I'll do it again someday. Right now I am working on my Dad's WWII memoirs for the family.

    I assure you that I also respect your posts. The fact that we do not agree on all things, why should we? It would get pretty damn boring if everyone had the same viewpoint all the time. Sort of like being a Clempson fan who does not recognize reality if it were to hit them over the head.
  5. me4USC
    12-29-2012 11:25 PM
    me4USC
    .
  6. pantera17
    12-29-2012 01:09 AM
    pantera17
    No prob man. I've never been real impressed with shaw. But heck, he does win. I think DT is a better passer. But it's possible he could lose a game or two with the risk he takes. I hope he plays a lot in the bowl game. But I don't feel like he will. :(
  7. TheMule
    12-24-2012 10:54 AM
    TheMule
    Merry Christmas to you and your family!!! Hope that your day will be filled with blessings of family and friends and wonderful new memories.
  8. TheMule
    12-16-2012 10:55 PM
    TheMule
    Been a rough year but all we can do is hang in there. Your assessment was spot on. BB is god there and Miller (a dam good coach) probably got tired of being in his shadow. Heard that was coming within a week of Gaffney knocking them out of the playoffs.
  9. MEGA
    05-17-2009 01:43 AM
    MEGA
    I SURE DO MISS YOU !!!

About Me

  • About Cocky2001
    Gender
    Male
    Occupation
    Mt Pleasant, SC
  • Signature
    "Fear causes hesitation,
    And hesitation causes
    Your worst fears
    to come true." Bodhi.

Statistics

Total Posts
Visitor Messages
General Information
  • Last Activity: 12-11-2014 10:43 AM
  • Join Date: 05-27-2005
  • Referrals: 0

Friends

Showing Friends 1 to 6 of 6

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:30 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Provided by SLB Development