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GarnetSwarm1990 01-06-2014 05:50 PM

Carolina football coaching future
 
Since the coaching carousel is turning right now and it's a big topic of who will be where, it got me thinking. Spurrier will be 69 in April. I believe he told Connor Mitch that if he came to Carolina that he would be the head coach his whole career here. I know that could be as long as 4 years away and Spurrier has said winning here has rejuvenated him. I know it's still way too early to predict a next head coach here and I'm all for focusing on now and enjoying the HBC while he's here.

That being said, with Strong going to Texas and James Franklin most likely at a new school maybe this off-season next at the latest.

Who are some guys ya'll are looking at as our next potential coach? Do ya'll think it will be a young on fire coach that can recruit, a guy with Carolina ties or an established coach or a mixture? Who do ya'll want and why?

LawyerLarry 01-06-2014 05:58 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
When I first started watching football in high school, I became a Florida fan because of their style of play under Spurrier. I quit liking Florida under Ron Zook and then became a South Carolina fan when Spurrier came. I can't imagine liking a football team that's not coached by Spurrier.

thatcockyguy 01-06-2014 06:03 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
So you won't be a fan once Spurrier is gone?

Ph/JDCock 01-06-2014 06:04 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Bob Stoops. He'll go to Cleveland, realize he is not cut out to coach in the NFL when he is shown the door by the Browns and will come back to the SEC to take over for his close friend and mentor. All the media coverage will draw the parallels between his path and HBC's thru Washington.

GSC2013 01-06-2014 06:06 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Well, look at this. Bobby Bowden coached until he was what, almost 80? Paterno too.

And Bowden was not in great shape, didn't exercise much. Paterno was fragile and frail and didn't stay active much.

Spurrier is still lifting weights, golfing, joking with reporters, taking jabs at his rival.

Hell, this man could coach another 10 years at USC if he wants.

Seriously, would anyone be shocked if the man put on a jersey and started throwing the scout team passes in practice? He's a legend. As a USC fan, I just cant believe how fortunate we are that he came here. I, too, loved him at Florida, and to have him here is just awesome.

But, when he does leave one day, he'll leave a program that is on par with the top SEC teams as far as recruiting, facilities, etc. He has shown you can win big here, and do it without the insane stress to win you see at Bama, Texas, Ohio St, etc.

USC will get another legend to come, or, lure a top young candidate. Michigan State's Mark Dantonio maybe? Hes a former Gamecock. Bring him home haha.

GSC2013 01-06-2014 06:09 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ph/JDCock (Post 4049730)
Bob Stoops. He'll go to Cleveland, realize he is not cut out to coach in the NFL when he is shown the door by the Browns and will come back to the SEC to take over for his close friend and mentor. All the media coverage will draw the parallels between his path and HBC's thru Washington.

10 years ago that would've sounded crazy. Not so now. I could see something like that happening. A guy who went through the grinder of a traditional college powerhouse, tries the NFL, then wants to come back to college but at a place that wont fire you for only winning 9 games.

Ohio State finished 11-2, and people want coaches on that staff fired.
USC went 11-2, and we're asking if we can clone ours.

Coaches want that ability to win big, but without the stress of maybe getting fired for not winning a ring every year. And USC offers that, along with nice weather, low cost of living.

I truly think within 10 years USC will have a couple SEC titles and a National Championship. Its a perfect storm brewing.

Spurticus 01-06-2014 06:14 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
With what coach Spurrier has done here, I'm sure Dr Pastides and Ray
Tanner have pretty much assured him that he's got a job here as long
as he wants to coach. With the way Spurrier has looked and sounded at
the end of the season the last three years, I'm positive he'll stay here
and try to win an SEC Title at SC before he hangs it up for good. Also,
the overall SEC Win record (by Bear Bryant) is now within his grasp as
long as his health is good. He may want to try to get that brass ring too.

As for the question posed in the OP, I'm not even going to entertain or
speculate on it right now because we have one of the best coaches in the
country running the program at South Carolina, and one of the best that
has ever coached in the SEC. I will say that the comment as to "Hot
Young Coach" at the time he does decide to hang it up ....... I've seen
members of this board and other fan sites speculate on getting "then
hot coach" ..... A few years back when members of this site wanted
Spurrier to step down after the 7-5 season of 2008 and the loss to Iowa,
everyone wanted either Gary Peterson or Mike Leech. Where are those
two standing now after 5 years in the National Eye ? ... They were on
EVERYONE'S short list for a couple of seasons when they were "Hot".
Same goes for other sports as well. We hired a "hot, young coach"
in the Basketball world a few years back by the name of Darin Horn..How'd
that work out ? ...... Again, I'm not speculating at all because it's a non
factor in any of the admin or BOT right now. It's not something they OR
us need to worry about. I'm sure when the time is near for Coach Spurrier
to leave, He himself will sit down with Ray Tanner and the BOT members
and add his imput as to who might be best suited to take over the
program, and they will come up with a short list of names and go after
them at the right time.... as for now, we have a coach who is still
building this program, and who the next guy in, is not even a concern of
mine right now.

The Yancey 01-06-2014 06:18 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
At this rate I think that SOS stays until he breaks Bear Bryant's SEC win record.

GarnetSwarm1990 01-06-2014 06:25 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Guys, you're missing the point. I'm not asking how long he will stay. I'm simply posing a question for the fun of discussing it, who follows arguably our best coach ever? More accurately who do you want to follow him?

As long as he can get talent in here and develop them and enjoy it I'll be fine if he does stay for another 10 years.

usc1 01-06-2014 06:31 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GarnetSwarm1990 (Post 4049749)
Guys, you're missing the point. I'm not asking how long he will stay. I'm simply posing a question for the fun of discussing it, who follows arguably our best coach ever? More accurately who do you want to follow him?

As long as he can get talent in here and develop them and enjoy it I'll be fine if he does stay for another 10 years.


It's kind of pointless to discuss who should replace him if we expect him to leave in 4-5 years because the landscape of college football coaching will be much different. A better question would be if Spurrier were to walk away today, who would we get to be our coach.

I have to agree that Stoops is someone to watch in the future. He's got a great rapport with Spurrier and seems to like USC.

As for how long I think Spurrier will be here...I think a lot of it is dependent on his success. If he realizes he's starting to lose it and we start losing games he will walk away before we need to "push him out". As long as he keep winning like he's winning now then I think he's got a solid 5 years in him. He's said he doesn't want to coach til death.

GSC2013 01-06-2014 06:35 PM

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Well, for discussion sake, lets say he did hang it up tomorrow, just for discussion!!

I think getting the "hot young coach" is a mistake. South Carolina as a state has some great high school talent, but we are a small state so we MUST recruit out of state to supplement it. Shaw, Davis, Ace for example.

And we don't have trophy cases lined with gold. So, while our recent success is great and surely helps, we still need a tad bit more than, say, Florida does to draw recruits.

Getting a big name coach that recruits already know and have heard of helps recruit out of state. USC recruits with the sale pitch of being part of something new, something never done before. To convince the recruit to do that, they must believe that it CAN happen, and they need to have a coach who has already done it somewhere for them to truly believe that. Holtz and Spurrier brought that. Recruits in 2008 knew if they came, they'd be part of something huge, and they were.

So, when that day comes, I say we need another Holtz/Spurrier type. A huge name who is near the end of his career, but can convince some out of state guys that coming to USC will result in them being part of something new and special and "1st ever stuff" that they cant get at Florida or Alabama.

And they'll buy it. If Shaw had gone to UGA or Florida, he'd be another great QB on their record books. But he came to USC, and he is THE greatest QB ever here. Kids want that these days.

GSC2013 01-06-2014 06:37 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
But, for the sake of the OP and the argument, lets hypothetically say Dabo Swinney meets Spurrier on the golf course, bad mouths him, and Spurrier says "You know what Dabo, its time someone taught you a lesson" and Spurrier grabs him, slams him, and puts on a UFC style beat down....and gets arrested hahaha!!! And then we need a new coach. What then......who do we hire if that happened tomorrow haha?

LawyerLarry 01-06-2014 06:38 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thatcockyguy (Post 4049729)
So you won't be a fan once Spurrier is gone?

I'll give the replacement a shot. But I won't be a fan of a team that sucks.

BeerandBacon 01-06-2014 06:39 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Dantonio.

Solid Coach and a Carolina alum\ex player.

3MTA3 01-06-2014 06:41 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LawyerLarry (Post 4049758)
I'll give the replacement a shot. But I won't be a fan of a team that sucks.


That's what's called being a 'fairweather fan'

LawyerLarry 01-06-2014 06:43 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 3MTA3 (Post 4049764)
That's what's called being a 'fairweather fan'

I just call it "being reasonable". I watch football to have fun. I don't think I would have fun watching a sucky team.

GSC2013 01-06-2014 06:44 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LawyerLarry (Post 4049767)
I just call it "being reasonable". I watch football to have fun. I don't think I would have fun watching a sucky team.

Sounds like something a lawyer would say. Parasite-like jumping from one host to another.

GSC2013 01-06-2014 06:45 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Being a college football fan isn't about "being reasonable". Its about loving a team, and selling out 90,000 seats in an 0-22 streak...just in case, because you want to say "I was there" when the streak breaks.

BeerandBacon 01-06-2014 06:45 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Larry, just my opinion here; but if your fandom is conditional then you should just quit now. I'm a Carolina fan, the win loss record has no bearing on that whatsoever.

GSC2013 01-06-2014 06:49 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BeerandBacon (Post 4049773)
Larry, just my opinion here; but if your fandom is conditional then you should just quit now. I'm a Carolina fan, the win loss record has no bearing on that whatsoever.

I agree. Openly saying that your a fan, but only until the team starts losing then you are jumping ship??? That's sad.

sandstorm2001 01-06-2014 06:49 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GSC2013 (Post 4049757)
But, for the sake of the OP and the argument, lets hypothetically say Dabo Swinney meets Spurrier on the golf course, bad mouths him, and Spurrier says "You know what Dabo, its time someone taught you a lesson" and Spurrier grabs him, slams him, and puts on a UFC style beat down....and gets arrested hahaha!!! And then we need a new coach. What then......who do we hire if that happened tomorrow haha?

A new coach? I'd want to pay for his lawyer and get him back on the sidelines ASAP. Maybe buy him a beer too.

mpilot0705 01-06-2014 06:50 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BeerandBacon (Post 4049760)
Dantonio.

Solid Coach and a Carolina alum\ex player.

I would have liked this hire a few years ago, but not now. He's only around 10 years younger than Spurrier. Assuming he sticks around 4-5 more years (to beat the Bear's record) Dantonio would be into his 60's. That to me would mean he'd only give us 6-8 years at most. Look at what it has taken Spurrier 9 years to get done here. I know the next coach will start out much better but still it will take a couple of years to get the right kids in if there is much of a scheme change which means we would only get 3-5 years of good coaching from him. I would like to see us make a homerun hire like Texas did with Strong. A guy with a good pedigree, proven winner, but young enough to lead you through the next 10 years or so.

GarnetSwarm1990 01-06-2014 06:54 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
A guy I'm going to be FOLLOWING is Matt Wells. Utah States head coach. First year there he goes 9-5. He's relatively young as far as coaches go at 40 years old. He's from Columbia too. Not saying I want him but seeing as how it will be a while before Spurrier hangs it up (hopefully with a couple SEC championships and a National title too with any luck lol) it can't hurt to pay attention. I would think that the Athletic department is keeping notes at least on future prospects.

Personally I would love to get a coach that has proven he can be a head coach but can also spend 10-15 years here (which is very rare in today's age unless you're successful).

I'm not a fan of Stoops. He can recruit yes but he hasn't proven to me that he can win consistently against the big, physical teams. Maybe he just turned a corner with the win over Bama. It would have to take him going to a NFL team for him to come here because I can't see him leaving Oklahoma for us. He seems to have issues with the SEC anyway, maybe it's jealousy because he wants to coach in the league. It would be a good get though, I can agree with that.

GarnetSwarm1990 01-06-2014 06:57 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mpilot0705 (Post 4049783)
I would have liked this hire a few years ago, but not now. He's only around 10 years younger than Spurrier. Assuming he sticks around 4-5 more years (to beat the Bear's record) Dantonio would be into his 60's. That to me would mean he'd only give us 6-8 years at most. Look at what it has taken Spurrier 9 years to get done here. I know the next coach will start out much better but still it will take a couple of years to get the right kids in if there is much of a scheme change which means we would only get 3-5 years of good coaching from him. I would like to see us make a homerun hire like Texas did with Strong. A guy with a good pedigree, proven winner, but young enough to lead you through the next 10 years or so.

:thumbsup:

3MTA3 01-06-2014 07:00 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LawyerLarry (Post 4049767)
I just call it "being reasonable". I watch football to have fun. I don't think I would have fun watching a sucky team.

You can call it yellow submarine for all I care, a spade is a spade, and you're a fairweather fan.

At least you're straight-up about it, though.

roosterdude21 01-06-2014 07:01 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
I owe too much to them in student loans to pull for anyone else.

LawyerLarry 01-06-2014 07:03 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GSC2013 (Post 4049770)
Sounds like something a lawyer would say. Parasite-like jumping from one host to another.

I'm sorry that you're offended by my football watching habits. I've openly stated that I did the same thing with Florida. I quit watching them after they sucked for 3 years. Then they won 2 national championships a year or 2 after I started following South Carolina. Your hurt feelings notwithstanding, I think I'm still going to continue to watch football my way. I've had fun doing it for about 15 years.

Garnet Gamecock 01-06-2014 07:05 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
I would expect Dantonio, Stoops and Gruden to be strong contenders.

Beyond that, I just think it needs to be someone of stature that has some mileage left in the tank.

Let's don't overlook how appealing it is to have a state that produces top talent year after year and you only have one major in-state recruiting rival.

Kickerspl80 01-06-2014 07:11 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
I personally hope Strong has a tough time at Texas and we get a steal if they fire him right when Spurrier decides to retire.

usc81 01-06-2014 07:14 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Even discussing a replacement of Spurrier smacks of heresy, and we should never do it. It is like discussing a replacement of oxygen, or BBQ or the sun. Yes it is possible, and it will happen one day - but please let it happen after I die.

MisterClowney 01-06-2014 07:14 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LawyerLarry (Post 4049767)
I just call it "being reasonable". I watch football to have fun. I don't think I would have fun watching a sucky team.

You're doing it wrong.

Mechanical Cock 01-06-2014 07:17 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Dantonio

The Yancey 01-06-2014 07:18 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Another day, another troll. Don't feed it and it will go away.

usc1 01-06-2014 07:34 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kickerspl80 (Post 4049807)
I personally hope Strong has a tough time at Texas and we get a steal if they fire him right when Spurrier decides to retire.


No thanks. If he can't win at Texas he sure as hell won't win here.

GSC2013 01-06-2014 07:42 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LawyerLarry (Post 4049800)
I'm sorry that you're offended by my football watching habits. I've openly stated that I did the same thing with Florida. I quit watching them after they sucked for 3 years. Then they won 2 national championships a year or 2 after I started following South Carolina. Your hurt feelings notwithstanding, I think I'm still going to continue to watch football my way. I've had fun doing it for about 15 years.

Im not offended. Just solidifies my opinion on how the minds of most lawyers work. Its the football-fan equivalent of chasing an ambulance.

But, we'll enjoy your time here, until the day you start being a Missouri or Ohio State fan or something.

GSC2013 01-06-2014 07:43 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by usc81 (Post 4049814)
Even discussing a replacement of Spurrier smacks of heresy, and we should never do it. It is like discussing a replacement of oxygen, or BBQ or the sun. Yes it is possible, and it will happen one day - but please let it happen after I die.


OK, fair enough.

So guys, a legit question. Who you got in a fight: Spurrier or a Hurricane?

TAFC 5 1981 01-06-2014 07:44 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LawyerLarry (Post 4049767)
I just call it "being reasonable". I watch football to have fun. I don't think I would have fun watching a sucky team.

Even though I am NOT a SC fan (not a hater either), there are many on this board that suffered through years of tough times to enjoy the last three years. Add that to the success of the baseball program; the SC Athletic Dept. stepped its game up. I am a Clemson fan in spite of some on taternet and I am still a Gator too fan (and that train is still off the track). I personally think SC will be a good team for a while, with or without fans like you.

GSC2013 01-06-2014 07:47 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
How can you tell your program is reaching new heights?

When you start getting "fans" like LawyerLarry, who, like an ambulance chasing lawyer, says "Im a fan of you...for now, until I can't get anything else out of it".

Lil Jerry_Seinfeld 01-06-2014 08:15 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LawyerLarry (Post 4049758)
I'll give the replacement a shot. But I won't be a fan of a team that sucks.

Lol dude. Two thoughts on this comment. 1. I totally respect your honesty. Way to keep it real. 2. Never in my life did I think we'd be good enough to have bandwagon fans. I can't stand people that like, as an example: duke basketball and fsu football. I've had to watch navy gams and coppin state games my whole life and band wagoners tick me off. But I do like that we are getting so good that the leaches are starting to live off our success. That to me says the culture of the program has totally changed. I say keep rockin ur Carolina gear man the more fans the better.

OldPat 01-06-2014 08:34 PM

Re: Carolina football coaching future
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GSC2013 (Post 4049843)
OK, fair enough.

So guys, a legit question. Who you got in a fight: Spurrier or a Hurricane?

Hope that Cane had the good sense to bend over & kiss his ass goodbye.


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