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SwampFox 03-29-2014 09:36 AM

Re: 4-year-old dies after mauling by family's 130 lb. dog
 
Another psycho pit bull. Why am I not surprised?

kingoftheroost 03-29-2014 09:40 AM

Re: 4-year-old dies after mauling by family's 130 lb. dog
 
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Originally Posted by GarnetSwarm1990 (Post 4123578)
First of all. No true pitbull should EVER be 130 lbs. Shot 12 times to get it to go down......Hmmm that is by far not normal. That dog from the picture is an American Bully pitbull. They were crossed with bulldogs to get that thick stocky frame and to be more aggressive. Those are not true pitbulls. True pits weight anywhere between 35-70 lbs give or take a few for the biggest male dogs. Those Bully Pitbulls can weigh up to 150 lbs. They are too damn big and nobody can control an aggressive unpredictable dog that big.

By nature, pitbulls are not aggressive toward their owners. I know this for a fact, if you disagree feel free to do some research. When they were first being bread way back when, the owners would kill the dogs that would show aggression toward humans to get that out of the blood line. Properly bread and raised pits are some of the sweetest dogs on the planet.

That American Bully breed needs to be bread out. They are very unpredictable and dangerous because that is how the breeders wanted them to be. They can flip on a dime and are very, very strong. If you ever buy a pit pull people please do some research on the breeder and the dog, know which breed of pit you are getting.

Not to derail the thread since this is a terrible story, but I just wanted to say only half of your statement about being crossed with bulldogs is correct. Bulldogs are a long, long, long, long way from being an aggressive breed. As with any dog, there will certainly be exceptions, but I've had and been around bulldogs my whole life, so I know from first-hand experience bulldogs aren't naturally more aggressive than pitbull terriers (some of which I have also had). The part about introducing bulldogs into the gene pool to get a stockier look is almost certainly true, though.

Lonnie 03-29-2014 09:53 AM

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As the dad of an (almost) 3 year old, I'm reluctant to leave him alone with our 18 lb rat terrier. Not because of what she might do to him, but becase of what HE might do to her that would cause her to defend herself.

usc90grad 03-29-2014 10:04 AM

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Are they going to charge the parents?

Flameout12 03-29-2014 10:35 AM

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The number of reported fatal dog attacks in the US has jumped significantly in the last 10 years, with deaths by pit bull terriers accounting for around 50% of all deaths.

There are at least 63 deaths in the last 5 years attributed to pit bull terriers or some derivative of the breed.

That's 63 people that would likely be alive today if the dog owners chose a different breed that could not rip humans to shreds. And some of these are small children.

The last thing that innocent child remembers as their life is ripped from them is the horror of being attacked by a vicious animal. It is one of the most horrific and un-humane ways to die.

There is something just so wrong with the conscience of a society that hasn't acted promptly about this. And this is not people just "exercising their rights".

People who own animals capable of these kinds of attacks should be forced to have licenses, pay fees, take training, report incidents, report births & deaths, etc; and not be living within a certain distance of any child under the age of 14.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_d..._United_States

Travelin 03-29-2014 11:23 AM

Re: 4-year-old dies after mauling by family's 130 lb. dog
 
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Originally Posted by Flameout12 (Post 4123648)
The number of reported fatal dog attacks in the US has jumped significantly in the last 10 years, with deaths by pit bull terriers accounting for around 50% of all deaths.

There are at least 63 deaths in the last 5 years attributed to pit bull terriers or some derivative of the breed.

That's 63 people that would likely be alive today if the dog owners chose a different breed that could not rip humans to shreds. And some of these are small children.

The last thing that innocent child remembers as their life is ripped from them is the horror of being attacked by a vicious animal. It is one of the most horrific and in-humane ways to die.

There is something just so wrong with the conscience of a society that hasn't acted promptly about this. And this is not people just "exercising their rights".

People who own animals capable of these kinds of attacks should be forced to have licenses, pay fees, take training, report incidents, report births & deaths, etc; and not be living within a certain distance of any child under the age of 14.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_d..._United_States

Well said and I couldn't agree more.

SwampFox 03-29-2014 11:33 AM

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I just cannot understand the need to have a dog like this. Certain animals are just not meant to be pets or around children.

I'll take a Lab any day of the week.

Biocockanics 03-29-2014 12:59 PM

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Someone made a reference to pitbulls and guns the other day. Pitbulls aren't anymore to blame than a pistol, he said...The glaring flaw is that a pistol is not a breathing, instinct driven animal that is capable of self-propulsion. You can not keep an alpha in a small-enclosed space with females and not expect any aggression. I've seen the most loving german shepherds get testy when a female is in heat within a home. Nature trumps nurture, dogs are not teddy bears...they are instinct driven creatures...and pitbulls are just kept in, usually, less than ideal conditions for their breed.

ccured 03-29-2014 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Flameout12 (Post 4123648)
The number of reported fatal dog attacks in the US has jumped significantly in the last 10 years, with deaths by pit bull terriers accounting for around 50% of all deaths.

There are at least 63 deaths in the last 5 years attributed to pit bull terriers or some derivative of the breed.

That's 63 people that would likely be alive today if the dog owners chose a different breed that could not rip humans to shreds. And some of these are small children.


The last thing that innocent child remembers as their life is ripped from them is the horror of being attacked by a vicious animal. It is one of the most horrific and un-humane ways to die.

There is something just so wrong with the conscience of a society that hasn't acted promptly about this. And this is not people just "exercising their rights".
This is just absolutely asinine.
People who own animals capable of these kinds of attacks should be forced to have licenses, pay fees, take training, report incidents, report births & deaths, etc; and not be living within a certain distance of any child under the age of 14.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_d..._United_States

I have to completely disagree with you on the bold parts. Read the descriptions of the attacks since 2000. Even though you named only last 5 years. Dogs kept on chains, packs of dogs, and unsupervised children make up the overwhelming majority. People that have no business having kids or dogs. Read the cdc recommendations on preventing dog attacks on that wiki page. I would virtually guarantee that an overwhelming majority of these points were not met in most attacks. Also pit bull is a type not a breed and the majority of those attacks should have been classified as mixed breed. Any size dog can kill a child under 3. When you bring a child in to a home with dogs you have to socialize the dogs and children and also the dogs have to have attention or they will get jealous. I do agree that being killed by an animal mauling is one of the most horrible way to die. Owners are almost always the problem

Biocockanics 03-29-2014 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Flameout12 (Post 4123648)
The number of reported fatal dog attacks in the US has jumped significantly in the last 10 years, with deaths by pit bull terriers accounting for around 50% of all deaths.

There are at least 63 deaths in the last 5 years attributed to pit bull terriers or some derivative of the breed.

That's 63 people that would likely be alive today if the dog owners chose a different breed that could not rip humans to shreds. And some of these are small children.

The last thing that innocent child remembers as their life is ripped from them is the horror of being attacked by a vicious animal. It is one of the most horrific and un-humane ways to die.

There is something just so wrong with the conscience of a society that hasn't acted promptly about this. And this is not people just "exercising their rights".

People who own animals capable of these kinds of attacks should be forced to have licenses, pay fees, take training, report incidents, report births & deaths, etc; and not be living within a certain distance of any child under the age of 14.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_d..._United_States



Dogs are pack animals, children do not understand that "personal space" means respect and it perceived as alpha actions. We have successfully domesticated dogs, but we will never be able to de-animalize a dog and remove their natural instincts.

Poorly educated people and poorly trained dogs results in these things. period.

Carolina4Life 03-29-2014 01:29 PM

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I read something before (don't know how true) that pits brains are bigger than their skull.

ccured 03-29-2014 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Carolina4Life (Post 4123703)
I read something before (don't know how true) that pits brains are bigger than their skull.

Not true that was said about Germany Shepard in the 70s and dobermans in the 80s and rotties in the 90s. The urban myth is their brains keep growing and eventually grow too much and put pressure on their brain causing them to go crazy

Flameout12 03-29-2014 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ccured (Post 4123697)
I have to completely disagree with you on the bold parts.

And I completely disagree with you. None of those 63 would have died if the owners had gotten Dashaunds (sp), Chiwawas (sp) or Beagles. It is the breed.....Pits, Rotties, and several other breeds are ticking time bombs and anyone who cannot admit it is in denial. And that includes my best friend who just got 3 pits around Christmas, and is already down to 1. He might be my best friend, but he's being an idiot about this. I love the guy, but I fully expect that dog to bring him headaches before this is all over.

I've possessed some potentially dangerous non-domesticated animals before so I do have some experience with this topic.

ccured 03-29-2014 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Flameout12 (Post 4123714)
And I completely disagree with you. None of those 63 would have died if the owners had gotten Dashaunds (sp), Chiwawas (sp) or Beagles. It is the breed.....Pits, Rotties, and several other breeds are ticking time bombs and anyone who cannot admit it is in denial. And that includes my best friend who just got 3 pits around Christmas, and is already down to 1. He might be my best friend, but he's being an idiot about this. I love the guy, but I fully expect that dog to bring him headaches before this is all over.

I've possessed some potentially dangerous non-domesticated animals before so I do have some experience with this topic.

You just said it wasn't the breed when you named multiple breeds. Jack Russells, chihuahuas, and cocker spaniels are some of the most aggressive dogs the difference is size. A group of three or four of any of those could kill a baby. You said you possessed some potentially deadly non domesticated animals but I bet you took better care and precautions than most of these owners. You understood that they were potentially dangerous. Ticking time bomb is not a fair generalization due to breed.

Harry Cock 03-29-2014 02:37 PM

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The secret to a good dog is exercise and consistency. So many people want to say they own a dog just to say they own one. Its really sad. if you don't have an hour a day for play time and another hour just to spend laying stupidity them or playing games inside... You don't need a large dog

carolina_corpsman 03-29-2014 02:38 PM

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First of all, this is a horrible thing and I would not wish it on anybody. But, at some point the mother needs to be questioned. It is common sense that 1) you should not leave a small child around any dog unsupervised. 2) if you have a bitch in heat any males in the area will be more aggressive than normal. As the owner of a large dog, mastiff rottie mix (see my picture) who does have some issues resulting from abuse as a puppy, I am responsible for his actions. On the other hand I can not tell you how many times I have been taking him for a walk and have had kids run right up to him and try to touch his face. Parents need to educate their kids on how to approach animals. My dog does not like being touched by people he doesnt know and I have tell kids from a distance that he is not as friendly as my other dog. The point I am trying to make is in todays society, we can not seem to be able to blame ourselves for poor parenting, instead we look for somthing else to blame in this case the dog. The parent should not have left the child unattended, they should not have had a second dog that was in heat in such close proximity and that poor child would be alive today.

treys1986 03-29-2014 04:26 PM

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If you look at the number of pit bull attacks compared to attacks by other dog breeds, and compare that with the fact that pit bulls make up a very small portion of the pet population it is easy to see why these dogs shouldn't be around small children.

I will never trust a pit bull, or rottweiler for that matter.


http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-sta...ities-2013.php

GarnetSwarm1990 03-29-2014 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GamecockInHell (Post 4123614)
My ten year old 70 lb. (OK, she's fat and overweight) pit would tear the face off anyone that tried to hurt my 3 year old grandson. Or anyone that tried to come unwanted into our house. Other than that, she's just a 70 lb. lap dog.

Lol now that is a normal pitbull.

uscgmck 03-29-2014 06:17 PM

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Thank God my 13" Beagle loves kids.

ccured 03-29-2014 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by treys1986 (Post 4123770)
If you look at the number of pit bull attacks compared to attacks by other dog breeds, and compare that with the fact that pit bulls make up a very small portion of the pet population it is easy to see why these dogs shouldn't be around small children.

I will never trust a pit bull, or rottweiler for that matter.


http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-sta...ities-2013.php

That site is a garbage site. Pro pitbull sites say the number is something like 30-40%. The problem is propaganda on both sides of the argument. The 1800pet meds site is a good site to let you choose your own side. http://www.1800petmeds.com/education...-and-myths.htmThe single best thing you can do to prevent a family dog attacking a member of your family is have your pets spayed or neutered.


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