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ColaCock 03-08-2013 09:02 AM

NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
Plus a 15 yard penalty.

Now, I am all for player safety. However, this past season proved that the referees are not able to accurately call this penalty correctly. We are going to rely on this same judgment for the ejection of a player from a game?

Totally the wrong way to handle it.

davidmc467 03-08-2013 09:08 AM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
The refs are able to use instant replay to review the ejection.

It is still a stupid rule, but at least they put the review in it.

usc1 03-08-2013 09:11 AM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
I don't think I can trust then even with the review.

uscsandstorm85 03-08-2013 12:02 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
Instant replay will not increase the accuracy. This rule needs a solid line that the refs have to go by when making a decision. The problem with this rule is every ref has a different view of what's above the shoulders, leading with the helmet, what constitutes a defenseless player, ect. While they have guidelines about those situations, there is still to much room for personal perception of what happened.

ReadR00ster 03-08-2013 12:19 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
I don't think it's fair that they don't take into account that the defender might be a lot taller than "defenseless" offensive player, like Clowney and Vincent Smith (albeit not a defenseless player in that case.)

2000grad 03-08-2013 12:34 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ReadR00ster (Post 3698943)
I don't think it's fair that they don't take into account that the defender might be a lot taller than "defenseless" offensive player, like Clowney and Vincent Smith (albeit not a defenseless player in that case.)

1. Clowney hit was not helmet to helmet
2. Clowney hit was not above the shoulders

FanofCarolina1 03-08-2013 12:46 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
I still can't believe the hit on Cunningham in the Vandy game, yet that guy wasn't ejected.

But DJ's hit caused him to be ejected.

Maybe the instant replay on this will be a good thing. We'll see.

BornCocky'86 03-08-2013 12:47 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
The game we love is slowly fading away.
Only on the most egregious plays should ejections occur

Seriously, c'mon man.

StretfordEnd 03-08-2013 12:56 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
The rule and the penalty are both stupid.

StretfordEnd 03-08-2013 12:57 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FanofCarolina1 (Post 3698967)
I still can't believe the hit on Cunningham in the Vandy game, yet that guy wasn't ejected.

But DJ's hit caused him to be ejected.

Maybe the instant replay on this will be a good thing. We'll see.

+1

I love how the defender for Alabama was able to absolutely level Aaron Murray, yet nothing happened to him.

ReadR00ster 03-08-2013 01:02 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000grad (Post 3698961)
1. Clowney hit was not helmet to helmet
2. Clowney hit was not above the shoulders

the top of Clowney's helmet hit Smith's facemask. That helmet does fly off otherwise. The reason why it's not a penalty is because he is not a defenseless player, he is a ball-carrier.

ReadR00ster 03-08-2013 01:05 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FanofCarolina1 (Post 3698967)
I still can't believe the hit on Cunningham in the Vandy game, yet that guy wasn't ejected.

But DJ's hit caused him to be ejected.

Maybe the instant replay on this will be a good thing. We'll see.

Swearinger was not ejected, he was suspended for the next game after fulll review, which would be a better policy for the NCAA to implement.

usc90grad 03-08-2013 01:07 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
Going to ruin the game like the NFL is.

2000grad 03-08-2013 01:12 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ReadR00ster (Post 3698994)
the top of Clowney's helmet hit Smith's facemask.

No way. He just got drilled. I just re-watched it in slow motion from 3 different angles.

Now, unless you take the slant that when Smith go drilled, his chest caved in and caused his helmet to bend down and hit on top of Clowney's then, physically speaking, I can buy that. What I meant was the Clowney, in no way, initiated that hit with his helmet. That was a text book pop and wrap tackle

2000grad 03-08-2013 01:16 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
If a guy leads with his helmet, yes, he should be ejected but I have no problem with them not being allowed a substitute for the ejected player. Dangerous play and all

ReadR00ster 03-08-2013 01:18 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000grad (Post 3699009)
No way. He just got drilled. I just re-watched it in slow motion from 3 different angles

The helmet flew like ten yards, use some common sense. That helmet can not do that just by hitting the player. You can't literally knock someone out of their socks. It's been disproven by mythbusters.

ReadR00ster 03-08-2013 01:21 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000grad (Post 3699015)
If a guy leads with his helmet, yes, he should be ejected but I have no problem with them not being allowed a substitute for the ejected player. Dangerous play and all

Not being allowed substitute for the ejected player? What does that mean 10 on 11 football like in soccer? I hope not, because that would really stupid.

StretfordEnd 03-08-2013 01:24 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
Treating an ejection in football like a red card in soccer. Interesting.

2000grad 03-08-2013 01:25 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ReadR00ster (Post 3699019)
The helmet flew like ten yards, use some common sense. That helmet can not do that just by hitting the player. You can't literally knock someone out of their socks. It's been disproven by mythbusters.

I reckon you didn't read the rest of my post. Use some common sense...eyes rolling...

Who is talking about knocking someone out of their shoes??? Good grief. Use some common sense...

2000grad 03-08-2013 01:25 PM

Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ReadR00ster (Post 3699026)
Not being allowed substitute for the ejected player? What does that mean 10 on 11 football like in soccer? I hope not, because that would really stupid.

Why?


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