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usc90grad 03-12-2013 03:20 PM
So Black Smoke is coming from the Vatican....
 
I know that means they haven't agreed on the new pope, but where did they get the idea for the white smoke/black smoke thing? It seems pretty goofy to me.

Gamecocks321 03-12-2013 03:54 PM
Re: So Black Smoke is coming from the Vatican....
 
Black smoke means the "others" are coming.

bertoholic 03-12-2013 03:58 PM
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Its probably because I withdrew my name from contention early this morning.

markymark550 03-12-2013 04:00 PM
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Don't know for certain, but I would guess it has to do with the symbolism of the colors. White is often symbolic for goodness, purity, innocence, etc and they want that symbolism associated with the new pope. Again, just a guess there and coming from a Protestant that doesn't know a lot about the inner workings of the Catholic Church. And FWIW, I've never understood the reasoning for using smoke as a way of signaling the new pope...any insight on that would be great.

stiffolcock 03-12-2013 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by usc90grad (Post 3702742)
I know that means they haven't agreed on the new pope, but where did they get the idea for the white smoke/black smoke thing? It seems pretty goofy to me.
tradition can sometimes be goofy.
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The fumata nera ("black smoke" in Italian) is the announcement to the outer world by a conclave that a Papal election wasn't decisive, by means of burning the ballots together with straw or chemicals to produce black smoke. A fumata bianca ("white smoke") announces the conclave is over because a Pope was elected. Both terms have permeated into Italian culture as political and journalistic jargon for, respectively, "non-decisive vote" and "final, decisive vote", and are widely used as cliches by the press.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumata_..._fumata_bianca

Cheezy 03-12-2013 04:07 PM
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http://grougeau.files.wordpress.com/...n-in-black.jpg

USCBatgirl21 03-12-2013 04:15 PM
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In brief summary of the history...

Pope Pius X chose to have the ballots burned as votes were to remain secret, and burning was the best way to ensure secrecy.

The "colored" smoke was added in 1914 as simply a way to better signal what the burning of the ballots signified.

usc90grad 03-12-2013 04:38 PM
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Maybe when Spurrier retires, we can do this when we name our next coach.

warriorchief 03-12-2013 04:52 PM
Re: So Black Smoke is coming from the Vatican....
 
...who drove a Cummins into the Vatican?

Sonofacock 03-12-2013 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by warriorchief (Post 3702819)
...who drove a Cummins into the Vatican?
Every single priest

spareparts 03-12-2013 07:17 PM
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Could we have a woman pope? Just think of the PR.

usc90grad 03-12-2013 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by spareparts (Post 3702968)
Could we have a woman pope? Just think of the PR.
At least the altar boys would be safe.

I kid, I kid.

bigdawg77 03-12-2013 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by spareparts (Post 3702968)
Could we have a woman pope? Just think of the PR.
There hasn't been a non-European Pope in 1500+ years so just having one from outside mainland Europe would be a huge deal.

USCBatgirl21 03-12-2013 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdawg77 (Post 3703146)
There hasn't been a non-European Pope in 1500+ years so just having one from outside mainland Europe would be a huge deal.
Of course there is also that little fact that women are not allowed in the pulpit in the Catholic Church.

b381l 03-12-2013 09:00 PM
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The taters are saying their guy is leading.

:rotfl:

Ole Gregg 03-12-2013 09:03 PM
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at the last conclave the people outside could not tell whether the smoke was black or white. wonder if they have added more coloring agent this time around?

bigdawg77 03-12-2013 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by USCBatgirl21 (Post 3703157)
Of course there is also that little fact that women are not allowed in the pulpit in the Catholic Church.
Yea that too I hope they pick the African or American guy just to watch the Euros go nuts

USCBatgirl21 03-12-2013 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ole Gregg (Post 3703173)
at the last conclave the people outside could not tell whether the smoke was black or white. wonder if they have added more coloring agent this time around?
It has been reported that they did fix that issue this time.

JAYBEZ 03-12-2013 09:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spareparts (Post 3702968)
Could we have a woman pope? Just think of the PR.
Not going to happen. Pretty sure there isn't even a female cardinal. The Catholic Church doesn't really push for the variety of demographics.

Gearhead 03-12-2013 09:34 PM
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I just pray he is a man that puts what the bible says first and foremost and not his own agenda.


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