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zbadger 12-10-2013 03:40 AM

Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Badgers fan here, I joined this forum so I could get to know South Carolina as I know very little about your team besides Spurrier and Clowney. From the topics I've glanced at, you guys seem to know a similar amount the Badgers so I will try to give you the 411 about the team in as impartial manner as possible.

Offense: Pro-Style, QB mostly under center except for obvious passing down, I formation and Multiple TE sets are common occurrence. Lots of power run plays and use of play action.
Defense: 3-4 with a ton of variation. Expect to see lots of pre-snap movement and many different fronts. In 3rd and long Wisconsin often only uses 1 down lineman. We don't blitz a ton, but we mix and match which 4 guys are rushing the QB.

Strengths:
Running game and RB depth(duh)
Run blocking (also duh, but not just oline, the run blocking at Wisconsin is a total team effort)
Veteran front 7 on defense (2 deep of mostly juniors and seniors)
Big play ability (I believe Wisconsin is 2nd in the nation in plays of over 50 yards behind Baylor)

Weaknesses
WR depth (we have 1 WR)
Oline depth (this is the first year in awhile where we don't go 2 deep at oline)
Inconsistent QB play
Young Secondary (opposite of front 7, only 1 guy started before this year)
Special teams is nothing special (our return game is not a threat to score a TD and our kicking game is merely competent)

Players to know:
QB Joel Stave #2 - Good arm, but consistently inconsistent as he'll miss wide open guys and make at least one really stupid throw per game
WR Jared Abbrederis #4 - he is our #1, #2, and #3 WR, Everyone knows that Stave is looking for him and yet he still finds a way to get open. Superb route runner.
RB James White #20 - I looked up highlights of USC and realized that you have your own version in Mike Davis (arguably better version). Like Davis he has great hands and is relied upon in passing game.
RB Melvin Gordon #25 - White may be the starting RB, but Gordon is the superstar talent. Gordon does not have the hands of White or the Pass blocking ability, but he makes up for it with home run running ability. His speed is good, but his acceleration is insane as he gets to top gear immediately.
TE Jacob Pedersen #48 - The #2 receiving threat on the team, he is Stave's 2nd option when he can't get the ball to Abby. Good redzone threat.
FB Derek Watt #34 - The name sounds familiar because he is JJ's younger brother. IMO he one of most important pieces to the Badgers running game and he often creates the first hole by mauling his man, be it a lineman or lbacker. LB's don't fair well vs him at all.

LB Chris Borland #44 - Big Ten Defensive Player of Year is the heart and soul of Badgers defense. Opponents often remark there must be three 44's on defense because there is no way that one guy could always be around the ball. Expect to hear his name a lot as the guy making the tackle.
CB Sojorn Shelton #8 - the undersized, true freshman is the Badgers only real play maker in the secondary. He battles like a veteran, but makes freshman mistakes on occasion in form of penalties. Bigger receivers can take advantage of his small size
S Tanner McEvoy #17 - I know you guys already know his name. He failed to win the starting job as QB (apparently his accuracy is really bad) so he was moved to WR but then broke his wrist. His athleticism was too valuable for the coaching staff to leave on the bench so they put him at S. He usually plays CF type role of covering the deepest guy. He is still learning the position, but his range is rather impressive. Needs to be better at playing the ball if he stays at safety in future.

How to beat the Badgers:
Everyone knows the best way to beat Wisconsin is stop the run and make Stave beat you. Stopping the run is easier said than done, but getting out to a quick lead is key as Badgers are not good at playing catch up. I expect USC to stack the box and try to put pressure on Stave which actually isn't extremely difficult as Wisconsin is only decent at pass blocking. Of course, if the RB can make it to the 2nd level against stacked box, then there is plenty of room for big plays so the key is gap discipline. On offense, attack the secondary deep. They are young and inexperience so mistakes are very possible. If you guys can protect the QB then you will be in good shape. Wisconsin lacks a true pass rusher, but gets pressure based on scheme as they play a 3-4 unlike most college teams. Give your QB time, and the secondary is yours for the taking.

Bonus note:
The Badgers big play formation is when they are set up for the Jet Sweep. Melvin Gordon (#25) lines up at WR and James White (#20) lines up at RB. Melvin Gordon runs a sweep and either takes the hand off or acts as misdirection giving White a chance of the middle with fewer defenders or Stave a chance for play action as defenses bite hard on run. Another wrinkle is Abbrederis running from the opposite side as Gordon and he actually takes the sweep the other way. Its a misdirection formation that has wreaked havoc on teams this year because of the talent of the players running it. Good news is that you guys get plenty of time to prepare for it so the it will be interesting to see how Badgers adjust.

I hope this helps clear things up about the Badgers, I'm excited to watch them against a good SEC opponent to see how well they match up.

boowilliam4 12-10-2013 03:48 AM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Very much appreciated

cocky0 12-10-2013 04:11 AM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Yeah yeah. Let's move on to the important stuff.


I'll trade you some boiled peanuts for some cheese curds.

zbadger 12-10-2013 04:22 AM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Fried Cheese Curds? Because I assure you that no amount of peanuts are worth giving up fried cheese curds.

cocky0 12-10-2013 04:32 AM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Well this thread just went straight into the crapper.

zbadger 12-10-2013 05:15 AM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
All my hard work for nothing, last time I drink and go on opponents' forums at same time.

Spurticus 12-10-2013 06:23 AM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zbadger (Post 4024652)
All my hard work for nothing, last time I drink and go on opponents' forums at same time.

Don't judge this board (or our fanbase) from the remarks of one misguided
member.

Welcome to Cockytalk, and thanx for the OP.

davisd9 12-10-2013 09:18 AM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Thanks for the information and I wish y'all the best in staying healthy. I think that you guys will be a little surprised by the speed of our defense. We are big up front and fast all over the field. We have a young LB corp but they have greatly improved throughout the year, Skai Moore will be a beast with added weight and experience. If your Oline is not good then it may be a long day for your QB. Our Dline is our overall strength, even though they have not have not been quite what we thought overall. Quarles and Clowney will be the biggest two threats. We rotate our lineman pretty regularly. One name you may not be familiar with is Gerald Dixon, there are two on our team but I am speaking of the DE. He has really impressed me. He is not as fast as Clowney or others but he seems to have great leverage and puts himself around the ball, especially in run defense. Both of our corners are good and threat to make interceptions.

Our offense is a zone read and we have the best QB there is to run it. Shaw is tough, fast, and willed to win. Our RB Mike Davis is ok with running you over or running around you, he is a home run threat and will push the pile. We also have Brandon Wilds at RB. He is the bigger of the two and powerful, but do not underestimate his speed. We do not have that big receiver that just goes over the top, but Shaq Roland is starting to fill that role and had a great game against Clemson. Our other receivers are fast and shifty. Bruce Ellington is our best one. Our Oline is big and averages around 315 or so. Our TEs are athletic and tall.

JohnnyB21 12-10-2013 09:39 AM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zbadger (Post 4024637)

Weaknesses
WR depth (we have 1 WR)
Oline depth (this is the first year in awhile where we don't go 2 deep at oline)
Inconsistent QB play
Young Secondary (opposite of front 7, only 1 guy started before this year)
Special teams is nothing special (our return game is not a threat to score a TD and our kicking game is merely competent)









How to beat the Badgers:
Everyone knows the best way to beat Wisconsin is stop the run and make Stave beat you. Stopping the run is easier said than done, but getting out to a quick lead is key as Badgers are not good at playing catch up. I expect USC to stack the box and try to put pressure on Stave which actually isn't extremely difficult as Wisconsin is only decent at pass blocking.


So you're telling me there is a chance?? Lol. Welcome to the board man.

SanAntonioCock 12-10-2013 09:43 AM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Do you guys do that "Jump" thing at bowl games?

trapper82 12-10-2013 09:51 AM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Sounds like if our offense isn't clicking early we are in trouble.

Legalman72 12-10-2013 09:55 AM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Check out Borland's recruiting page. Was Wisconsin truly his only offer? He was a 3-star so that makes me wonder if he committed early or just wanted to go there.

Anyway, another in a long line of 3-stars who studded out: http://rivals.yahoo.com/wisconsin/fo...-Borland-83249

U-Dub Gamecock 12-10-2013 10:11 AM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Legalman72 (Post 4024720)
Check out Borland's recruiting page. Was Wisconsin truly his only offer? He was a 3-star so that makes me wonder if he committed early or just wanted to go there.

Anyway, another in a long line of 3-stars who studded out: http://rivals.yahoo.com/wisconsin/fo...-Borland-83249

Wisconsin is famous for taking 2&3 star players (especially at O-Line), and making them into great players.. they probably do that as well as anyone in the country.

Im thinking we will put Hampton on their stud WR (#4-- Cant spell his name to save my life).. and put 8 in the box to start...

Legalman72 12-10-2013 10:14 AM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by U-Dub Gamecock (Post 4024731)
Wisconsin is famous for taking 2&3 star players (especially at O-Line), and making them into great players.. they probably do that as well as anyone in the country.

Im thinking we will put Hampton on their stud WR (#4-- Cant spell his name to save my life).. and put 8 in the box to start...

Good points. Found more on Borland...most had him unranked and then dropped 2-stars on him after he committed to Wisconsin. Man...what a great story!

Travelin 12-10-2013 10:17 AM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Thanks for the info! No way we will be taking you guys lightly. Our guys should be ready, but I'm expecting this one to be a nail-biter.

Quote:

Special teams is nothing special (our return game is not a threat to score a TD and our kicking game is merely competent)
Who wants to bet they return a punt for a TD?

lakemurraycock 12-10-2013 10:22 AM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Thanks for the Info! Should be a great game.

highpockets12 12-10-2013 12:38 PM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
If yall rush the passer ,good luck, once you get thru the line ,turn about He`ll be 17 yds down field.:football:

Wisco15 12-10-2013 01:00 PM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SanAntonioCock (Post 4024717)
Do you guys do that "Jump" thing at bowl games?

I went to the Rose Bowl against Oregon and they actually played it over the loud speakers. Usually at the bowl game the students do their own silent jump around as the song usually isn't played. But if it is, it turns into mayhem rather quickly.

Bigdsrip 12-10-2013 01:10 PM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Legalman72 (Post 4024733)
Good points. Found more on Borland...most had him unranked and then dropped 2-stars on him after he committed to Wisconsin. Man...what a great story!

Yeah Borland grew up a Wisconsin fan and committed on the spot when we offered him at camp. He played mostly RB in high school and for a time it looked like his best shot to get a ride was as a punter. Before he got hurt this year he was going to be our FG kicker on any kicks from 45 on out. Kid is a ridiculous athlete with the added bonus of having a great head on his shoulders. I expect him to play for a long time in the NFL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZleTrSwyE

Cockypantherfan 12-10-2013 01:23 PM

Re: Getting to Know Wisconsin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Travelin (Post 4024738)
Thanks for the info! No way we will be taking you guys lightly. Our guys should be ready, but I'm expecting this one to be a nail-biter.



Who wants to bet they return a punt for a TD?

I was thinking the same thing haha


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