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sc455 12-11-2013 05:23 AM

how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
I know he recruits bama, tx etc and that isnt the traditional area we pull recruits from but it seems we could get an equally talented coach who can recruit that area better.

Travelin 12-11-2013 07:24 AM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
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Originally Posted by sc455 (Post 4025718)
I know he recruits bama, tx etc and that isnt the traditional area we pull recruits from but it seems we could get an equally talented coach who can recruit that area better.

Botkins group seemed to progress really good as the year went on. It wasn't his fault they were so young.

Legalman72 12-11-2013 07:53 AM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
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Originally Posted by sc455 (Post 4025718)
I know he recruits bama, tx etc and that isnt the traditional area we pull recruits from but it seems we could get an equally talented coach who can recruit that area better.

I think he recruited Walton, who I feel will play out as a very good pickup. Not sure who else he's brought.

kingoftheroost 12-11-2013 08:18 AM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
Yeah, I won't pretend to know the op's reason for the thread, so I'll just address what I think one of the points is.

The LB corps was was devastated by graduates last year, so this year saw a completely new lineup of starters and backups. They were/are all inexperienced and undersized (as far as weight). The group struggled with just about everything in the beginning of the season. As the season progressed, the group became more comfortable with their assignments and started making some plays, and at times were actually a strength for the team. They still mess up occasionally, but we can't expect any group to be perfect all the time. I actually think Botkin has shown his value as a coach this season. Come next season, I expect the LBs to be a significant strength of the team, especially if they all pack on some pounds. Which do you think is easier to do, coach five or six guys who have are all seniors and have had significant playing time in the defensive scheme, or coach a group of guys who have never/rarely seen the field and are new to the scheme (and in many cases) new to the college game?

The Yancey 12-11-2013 08:32 AM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
We are not firing any coaches. Get over it.

USCBASEBALL1 12-11-2013 09:33 AM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
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Originally Posted by sc455 (Post 4025718)
I know he recruits bama, tx etc and that isnt the traditional area we pull recruits from but it seems we could get an equally talented coach who can recruit that area better.

:thumbs:

LegalCock 12-11-2013 09:36 AM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
Whomever identified and recruited Skai Moore is alright in my book. The dearth in the linebacking corps can't be pinned on him. For some reason we were striking out left and right under EJ at that position meanwhile he was helping get clowney.

sc455 12-11-2013 09:45 AM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
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Originally Posted by kingoftheroost (Post 4025747)
Yeah, I won't pretend to know the op's reason for the thread, so I'll just address what I think one of the points is.

The LB corps was was devastated by graduates last year, so this year saw a completely new lineup of starters and backups. They were/are all inexperienced and undersized (as far as weight). The group struggled with just about everything in the beginning of the season. As the season progressed, the group became more comfortable with their assignments and started making some plays, and at times were actually a strength for the team. They still mess up occasionally, but we can't expect any group to be perfect all the time. I actually think Botkin has shown his value as a coach this season. Come next season, I expect the LBs to be a significant strength of the team, especially if they all pack on some pounds. Which do you think is easier to do, coach five or six guys who have are all seniors and have had significant playing time in the defensive scheme, or coach a group of guys who have never/rarely seen the field and are new to the scheme (and in many cases) new to the college game?

i was quite clear with my question. I asked how was botkin as a recruiter. I never said he couldnt coach. his coaching is fine.

sc455 12-11-2013 09:53 AM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
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Originally Posted by LegalCock (Post 4025773)
Whomever identified and recruited Skai Moore is alright in my book. The dearth in the linebacking corps can't be pinned on him. For some reason we were striking out left and right under EJ at that position meanwhile he was helping get clowney.

Thank you..that is what i was after. He pulled walton and moore..got it.

Cockypantherfan 12-11-2013 10:07 AM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
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Originally Posted by sc455 (Post 4025781)
i was quite clear with my question. I asked how was botkin as a recruiter. I never said he couldnt coach. his coaching is fine.

As long as Botkin is coaching up the talent we are pulling in from Georgia and Florida (BAW and Pittman, respectively) I don't see the issue. As has been mentioned, he also brought in Jonathan Walton who I think will have a good career as a Gamecock.

LegalCock 12-11-2013 11:04 AM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
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Originally Posted by sc455 (Post 4025791)
Thank you..that is what i was after. He pulled walton and moore..got it.


Also, its a little early still to totally assess him as a recruiter, at least in my novice's view. Seems like only the really great ones can start getting lots of top flight kids after 2 or so years. Seems like it takes 3-4 years to build the "pipeline". He came from texas high school so it might take him a bit to build the regional network. I think he's an upgrade from EJ on a one to one level but EJ's statewide and regional contacts were essential to building the program imop. I like that we've got some guys like sands and elliott who are SC guys. Also spurrier and some of the other guys have been around long enough now to know just about everyone in the Carolinas. I personally feel pretty good about him now given the scramble to get LBs last class and how good those froshies were and how the whole corps developed. He's probably not 100% responsible but he would be getting most of the blame if it went the other way. Deke is the only guy on the defensive staff that I'm not 100% good with at this point, but he's got another year or two to show what he can do.

PageUSC 12-11-2013 11:08 AM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
I don't think he recruited Skai did he? He's from Florida. Who's area is that?

So no one has answered the OPs question. Who has he recruited? Just Walton?

LegalCock 12-11-2013 11:10 AM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
Well a kid doesn't come to play at a school if his position coach doesn't at least help recruit him. They may not the be the one who finds him and establishes initial contact, but they aren't coming to play for him if he doesn't do a solid job with the recruiting. I'm pretty sure I remember Bryant mentioning him during his recruitment as well and he was probably the best recruiting "get" in the last class on defense.

MisterClowney 12-11-2013 11:19 AM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
If you can find a linebacker coach that can improve a group of freshman and sophomores to the unbelievable extent that Botkin did this year, maybe we should try and get him.

But you won't. Botkin's a hell of a coach and a great recruiter. OP needs to stop thinking like it's week 2 after Georgia. We've all since realized that most of his players were playing in their second ever college game against an incredibly talented QB, RB, and (then healthy except for Mitchell) WR corp.

scman 12-11-2013 11:22 AM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecr...?view=moredata

This shows the recruiter of record from last year's class. I'm not sure it's always right, but probably close enough.
They just list Botkin on Walton. Grady Brown was on Moore, but I'm sure Botkin was part of the process.

Ahmad 12-11-2013 11:29 AM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
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Originally Posted by LegalCock (Post 4025839)
Deke is the only guy on the defensive staff that I'm not 100% good with at this point, but he's got another year or two to show what he can do.

I think Coach Adams is doing a pretty good job. He improved Quarles and JT Surratt's game. Only player that could say had a disappointing season was Chaz. Adams is also one of our busiest recruiters.

yazoo 12-11-2013 12:08 PM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
I don't know about Botkin's ability to recruit specifically, but I do know character when I read about it. He stepped down from college level coaching to the high school level because someone in his family needed him at home. That tells me that he has his priorities in the right place, and that he understands life is about relationships not about football. A man like that is going to naturally be an awesome recruiter. I don't think you have a thing to worry about.

PS: it also says a lot about Whammy because he recognized character and went after it when he knew he was going to catch flack from the online "realists".

Garnet Gamecock 12-11-2013 12:21 PM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
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Originally Posted by LegalCock (Post 4025773)
Whomever identified and recruited Skai Moore is alright in my book. The dearth in the linebacking corps can't be pinned on him. For some reason we were striking out left and right under EJ at that position meanwhile he was helping get clowney.

EJ rarely blitzed. Anyone who watched films of our defense would think "I want to go to a school that takes chances and has an aggressive, in-your-face defense. South Carolina plays it conservative. No thanks, I'll pass."

Our linebacking has a long way to go.

Yes, they made significant progress, but we are not good at all at stuffing the run, and it's NOT because our guys are "small".

It doesn't matter how big you are if you AREN'T EVEN THERE!

Our guys need to understand that it is their job to clog the running lanes and not just the job of the tackles. I think they were scared to death of being caught with their pants down on pass plays and therefore stayed out of the lanes, but they've got a year under their belts and they need to play with confidence, ala Skai Moore. That kid is the real deal.

I'm hoping that Bryant shows out next season. He was supposed to be the real deal, too.

Also, our guys need major work on the fundamentals of tackling. Break down, square the shoulders, wrap up. Don't cross your feet in the open field, etc. They teach this stuff in high school. Botkin needs to address this immediately. No excuses.

The Spur? We don't seem to have a solution for that position right now.

Still, I like faster, slimmer linebackers more than most do. If they are smart and play their assignments well, properly executed tackles will take down even the best runners.

I think this crew can get the job done next year, except for the spur position. Just don't know who is going to step up there.

Garnet Gamecock 12-11-2013 12:24 PM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
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Originally Posted by yazoo (Post 4025920)
I don't know about Botkin's ability to recruit specifically, but I do know character when I read about it. He stepped down from college level coaching to the high school level because someone in his family needed him at home. That tells me that he has his priorities in the right place, and that he understands life is about relationships not about football. A man like that is going to naturally be an awesome recruiter. I don't think you have a thing to worry about.

PS: it also says a lot about Whammy because he recognized character and went after it when he knew he was going to catch flack from the online "realists".

Great observation!

:clap:

Regalcock 12-11-2013 12:29 PM

Re: how is coach botkin as a recruiter?
 
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Originally Posted by Garnet Gamecock (Post 4025933)
EJ rarely blitzed. Anyone who watched films of our defense would think "I want to go to a school that takes chances and has an aggressive, in-your-face defense. South Carolina plays it conservative. No thanks, I'll pass."

Our linebacking has a long way to go.

Yes, they made significant progress, but we are not good at all at stuffing the run, and it's NOT because our guys are "small".

It doesn't matter how big you are if you AREN'T EVEN THERE!

Our guys need to understand that it is their job to clog the running lanes and not just the job of the tackles. I think they were scared to death of being caught with their pants down on pass plays and therefore stayed out of the lanes, but they've got a year under their belts and they need to play with confidence, ala Skai Moore. That kid is the real deal.

I'm hoping that Bryant shows out next season. He was supposed to be the real deal, too.

Also, our guys need major work on the fundamentals of tackling. Break down, square the shoulders, wrap up. Don't cross your feet in the open field, etc. They teach this stuff in high school. Botkin needs to address this immediately. No excuses.

The Spur? We don't seem to have a solution for that position right now.

Still, I like faster, slimmer linebackers more than most do. If they are smart and play their assignments well, properly executed tackles will take down even the best runners.

I think this crew can get the job done next year, except for the spur position. Just don't know who is going to step up there.


What? Spur is manned by all-sec Golightly...:lol:


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