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GH 12-24-2013 06:38 PM

Re-Recruiting Players
 
The old saying goes, "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."

I believe sometimes, the best thing schools can do, as far as recruiting and personnel changes go, is re-recruit players they already have on their teams.

Yes, you want to bring in the best talent available and players that fit your program or players who will thrive in a system you can run.

A lot of time is spent getting these players into your teams' training, strength, conditioning and practice regimen. Players take time to adjust to the higher level of competition and the speed of the game at the higher level.

So once those players become redshirt sophomores, juniors, and redshirt juniors, seniors and redshirt seniors, they are the personnel getting most of the starts and being trusted in leadership positions and in certain game situations. They have experience and prior coaching to pull from.

Not every team can go out there and recruit top-5 ranked classes and it is hard to forecast some of the positions that will need to suddenly have an influx of players (due to injuries, suspensions, transfers, poor play, etc). When this type of stuff happens, it usually takes place after the season has started but well into the late part of the next years' recruiting cycle - a time of the year that is hard to suddenly go out a grab a few gret players to fill that vulnerable position and build depth.

So sometimes the best recruiting coaches and coordinators can do is to re-recruit players and get them to stay in school for another year.

Of course this can be seen as selfish and it totally is. That is part of the point too. To go into this mode of thinking requires the thinker to put the needs of the school above the risks the individual player is asked to take on.

GH 12-24-2013 06:43 PM

Re: Re-Recruiting Players
 
Players like Jadeveon Clowney, who are projected in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd rounds of the NFL draft should leave early (IMHO) and I would certainly tell them to go ahead and give it a good long look.

At the same time, I would be building depth at that position and getting the guys behind that star some much needed PT and practice (as is practical...sometimes the games are too close to swap people out too much)

Now if the player is borderline 3rd round or lower, I am giving them the hard sell to come back for another year.

I would hopefully be honest and say that I want them back more because of what they mean to the team and less because I think they could improve their stock. I would prefer it be mutually beneficial but at the same time I want a team full of outstanding athletes

cockybreeyan 12-24-2013 08:59 PM

Re: Re-Recruiting Players
 
yea if there's one thing this staff does suck at, it's convincing anyone to stay

CarolinaGnB521 12-24-2013 09:09 PM

Re: Re-Recruiting Players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cockybreeyan (Post 4036305)
yea if there's one thing this staff does suck at, it's convincing anyone to stay

Examples please.

I'm just trying to think about who you would have had stay honestly.

Carolina4Life 12-24-2013 09:11 PM

Re-Recruiting Players
 
Don't fall for it cockybreeyan.

greatwhitecock 12-24-2013 09:14 PM

Re: Re-Recruiting Players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CarolinaGnB521 (Post 4036306)
Examples please.

I'm just trying to think about who you would have had stay honestly.

Captain Munnerlyn.

rioninusc 12-24-2013 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by greatwhitecock (Post 4036308)
Captain Munnerlyn.

Ace Sanders, Vic Hampton are some others. Vic is thinking of coming back, if his grade isn't high enough though.

USC843 12-24-2013 09:33 PM

Re: Re-Recruiting Players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cockybreeyan (Post 4036305)
yea if there's one thing this staff does suck at, it's convincing anyone to stay

I've said this before, and i'll say it again. Its a recruiting tool. You don't want the reputation of begging players to stay (see: Dabo). Nick Saban is one of the greatest recruiters of all time and he always says something along the lines of, "If you give me three years, i'll give you the NFL."

You have to remember that these recruits, above all else, want to get to the NFL. They are just trying to pick the best "ride" to get them there.

CarolinaGnB521 12-24-2013 09:40 PM

Re: Re-Recruiting Players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by USC843 (Post 4036317)
I've said this before, and i'll say it again. Its a recruiting tool. You don't want the reputation of begging players to stay (see: Dabo). Nick Saban is one of the greatest recruiters of all time and he always says something along the lines of, "If you give me three years, i'll give you the NFL."

You have to remember that these recruits, above all else, want to get to the NFL. They are just trying to pick the best "ride" to get them there.

Exactly. Which is why it's hard to sit here behind a keyboard and get mad at coaches for letting players leave early. Some players (especially highly rated recruits) come here knowing that they are going to play in the NFL one day. It's hard to sit there and get mad at anyone for a kid chasing their dream.

You're talking money here. It's easy to sit here and say "hey you stay here and you have the chance to get drafted even higher, and you could use to time", but when you've got a clear chance at getting drafted THAT year is the negative risk, really worth it? Sure, selfish fans/coaches think it is. Sometimes the player agrees it is. But a player is going to do what he (keyword there: what HE thinks) thinks is best for him.

GH 12-24-2013 10:02 PM

Re: Re-Recruiting Players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cockybreeyan (Post 4036305)
yea if there's one thing this staff does suck at, it's convincing anyone to stay



I am not saying anyone sucks at convincing players to stay.

My whole point is that sometimes the best recruiting job you can do is recruiting a player to stay another year.

I also say that the player would be asked to take all the risk in coming back versus taking an early exit.

b381l 12-25-2013 12:36 AM

Re: Re-Recruiting Players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GH (Post 4036324)
I am not saying anyone sucks at convincing players to stay.

My whole point is that sometimes the best recruiting job you can do is recruiting a player to stay another year.

I also say that the player would be asked to take all the risk in coming back versus taking an early exit.

After three years, everyone knows the deal.....coaches and players. Some understand that college is the end of the line, but others struggle to face that reality. As much as coaches try, some just don't want to hear it. Why else do so many leave early and end up either not getting drafted or go in the last couple of rounds. I think most coaches will talk to players honestly about their pro potential. But in the end, it's on the players.

ShutTheSuccop 12-25-2013 12:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CarolinaGnB521 (Post 4036306)
Examples please.

I'm just trying to think about who you would have had stay honestly.

ECook comes to my mind immediately

CarolinaGnB521 12-25-2013 01:14 AM

Re: Re-Recruiting Players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ShutTheSuccop (Post 4036376)
ECook comes to my mind immediately

Cap, Cook, and Geathers all could've used their senior year. I'll agree to that. But it's worked out okay for Cap. As for Cook and Geathers...well, not so much. And I don't mean to be negative towards Geathers, but I'm not so sure that we needed him in 2010.

Our defensive line that year was Matthews-Robertson-Ladi-Taylor, with Melvin as our main rotation guy...

Latt7more 12-25-2013 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CarolinaGnB521 (Post 4036393)
Cap, Cook, and Geathers all could've used their senior year. I'll agree to that. But it's worked out okay for Cap. As for Cook and Geathers...well, not so much. And I don't mean to be negative towards Geathers, but I'm not so sure that we needed him in 2010.

Our defensive line that year was Matthews-Robertson-Ladi-Taylor, with Melvin as our main rotation guy...

Yea Captain is doing just fine. For those that hoped Ace would've came back just know he would've been suspended for atleast 2 games.

Latt7more 12-25-2013 01:36 AM

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If there's one guy I think should have stayed, it would have to be ECook.

Gamecocks321 12-25-2013 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Latt7more (Post 4036403)
If there's one guy I think should have stayed, it would have to be ECook.

Tori Gurley

vern6 12-25-2013 10:16 AM

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they should not be allowed to enter nfl until they graduate,senior.

KaneisAble 12-25-2013 11:51 AM

Re: Re-Recruiting Players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gamecocks321 (Post 4036413)
Tori Gurley

I agree w/ this as far as his level of play, but Gurley was older already and the window is so small for these guys.

KaneisAble 12-25-2013 11:53 AM

Re: Re-Recruiting Players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Latt7more (Post 4036401)
Yea Captain is doing just fine. For those that hoped Ace would've came back just know he would've been suspended for atleast 2 games.

Also: Ace is a starter. He just bought his mom a house for Christmas. Could he have improved his stock? Perhaps. Would he have helped the team? Absolutely, though it's not as though we had a terrible season. (Though we desperately could have used him on ST especially).

Also don't underestimate the impact of seeing Marcus getting hurt on these guys. I appreciate that the OP was honest about why you would want them back, but it's Dabo-esque to tell players what to do w/ their careers and lives.

rioninusc 12-25-2013 01:44 PM

Re: Re-Recruiting Players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KaneisAble (Post 4036489)
Also: Ace is a starter. He just bought his mom a house for Christmas. Could he have improved his stock? Perhaps. Would he have helped the team? Absolutely, though it's not as though we had a terrible season. (Though we desperately could have used him on ST especially).

Also don't underestimate the impact of seeing Marcus getting hurt on these guys. I appreciate that the OP was honest about why you would want them back, but it's Dabo-esque to tell players what to do w/ their careers and lives.

This, we are fans, and we aren't in these guys shoes. So I will never say someone should come back even if they get drafted in the 3rd and on, even a free agent.

What I think should happen is the players that declare, and don't even make it. They should still be able to come back and play a final year for their team team.


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