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kingoftheroost 01-04-2014 05:27 PM

Willing to play certain FCS schools?
 
I'm watching North Dakota State play Towson, and it got me wondering something. NDS has a history of beating some FBS teams. How willing would you guys be to schedule NDS? I'm guessing most of you would be more than willing to put them on the schedule one year. But how about playing them in Fargo? Is the thought scary, or do you feel confident we would win the game regardless of venue?

roosterdude21 01-04-2014 05:32 PM

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Man, that really would be the definition of a Trap Game.

GarnetBlack&Blue 01-04-2014 05:55 PM

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i mean anything can happen when you have to actually go out and play, but our guys would have to just flat out not care at all to lose to NDS... if you just take their players vs. our players giving equal effort Carolina would blow them out 10 out of 10 times in any stadium...

Flameout12 01-04-2014 07:36 PM

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Has to be a game that makes $$...it's business first.

OfficeLinebackerCock 01-04-2014 09:56 PM

Re: Willing to play certain FCS schools?
 
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Originally Posted by kingoftheroost (Post 4047885)
I'm watching North Dakota State play Towson, and it got me wondering something. NDS has a history of beating some FBS teams. How willing would you guys be to schedule NDS? I'm guessing most of you would be more than willing to put them on the schedule one year. But how about playing them in Fargo? Is the thought scary, or do you feel confident we would win the game regardless of venue?


I can't think of any reason why SC would want to do that. Might be better to pose this question to the Playstation/Xbox crowd where something like that may make sense.

kingoftheroost 01-04-2014 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Flameout12 (Post 4047999)
Has to be a game that makes $$...it's business first.

I'm not worried about any of that stuff. I just want to know how everyone would feel about the matchup, especially if it were played on their home field instead of WB.

CarolinaGnB521 01-04-2014 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OfficeLinebackerCock (Post 4048111)
I can't think of any reason why SC would want to do that. Might be better to pose this question to the Playstation/Xbox crowd where something like that may make sense.


I think he meant hypothetically speaking, not talking money or actual chances of this really happening.

The OP is simply looking for what you're gut feeling would be before and during the game if we were to play at a historically great FCS school, like North Dakota State.

kingoftheroost 01-04-2014 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolinaGnB521 (Post 4048118)
I think he meant hypothetically speaking, not talking money or actual chances of this really happening.

The OP is simply looking for what you're gut feeling would be before and during the game if we were to play at a historically great FCS school, like North Dakota State.

What he said.

TKE226 01-04-2014 10:29 PM

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NDS is a good team. I am sad Towson couldnt give it more of a game, but they played some good football in the earlier playoff rounds. Their RB is pretty good...

I live about 2-5 minutes from Towson, can hear the crowd from their stadium at my house occasionally.

Anyway, I think we keep our FCS teams in state (Citadel, Furman, Coastal, etc). And thats OK

johnnyb 01-04-2014 10:45 PM

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nope...absoutely nothing in it for us, makes their season to beat a team like us

CarolinaGnB521 01-04-2014 11:05 PM

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My god, do you people seriously not get the question?

I don't want to answer this topic because I'm torn. I have so many opinions because it is such a hypothetical situation. But to show everyone who doesn't understand the question (or refuses to answer it correctly), I will give it my best shot.


Obviously I know that we can beat North Dakota State, and other premier FCS teams. However, depending on the stage of the game (beginning of the season, middle of season between SEC games, or end of season between SEC and Clemson) it could cause a bit of a stir in Columbia.

I mean shit, we could beat the brakes off everyone 100000000-0 every game and when we play Citadel 90% of our fans will act like little girls running around screaming that the big bad wolf is coming to town. I know that's a bit of an exaggeration...but still. I get that the Citadel, Wofford, and other FCS games are considered "trap" games. I completely understand that. But North Dakota State, and other premier FCS teams are way better than the Citadel, Wofford, and South Carolina State. Sorry for all those alumni and ex-players I just insulted by saying that, but in my opinion it's true.

For this instance I will pretend like we're about to play them in the middle of the season randomly between two SEC opponents. If it is late October, or early November and we have to travel up to North Dakota State (Fargo, ND), I would be pretty pissed off. (1) That's a far ass game to travel too. (2) Why the **** are we playing North Dakota State, one hell of a program, in the middle of an already tough SEC schedule? I'd rather play a crappy FBS team. (3) Why would we put ourselves in a situation where we have NOTHING to gain. We win, we beat an FCS team - hooray!?! We lose though, and it's all over ESPN, and other media outlets, and it's hanging over our head for the rest of the season.

I would go in worried - seriously worried. I would go into this game more worried that I would if we were in the playoff or National Championship simply due to the fact that we have nothing to gain from it. I would fear our players would realize this, and as much as we preached (as fans) and the coaches preached "Don't over look them", it's hard not to overlook a group of men that weren't even offered scholarships at podunk FBS schools. I would also fear that we would get off to a slow start, and the high energy of a team like NDS would have when they played a SEC power would drive us into a hole early. In these games I worry more about our offense than defense. I think our defense will forever take care of it's self just form simply being faster and stronger than most FCS teams we will ever play (Furman in 2010 did move the ball with ease on us for a little bit). However...unless NDS (or any premier FCS team) could put us in a HUGE hole due to self-inflicted mental errors, I feel like in the end the speed and strength would turn the game in the favor of us. It may take a little bit for our guys to get their heads in the game, but once they realize that this team isn't a joke, they'd take over and take care of business. The score on the field won't reflect how much better we really were on the field, if you know what I mean.

FanofCarolina1 01-04-2014 11:17 PM

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I'd absolutely LOVE to see South Carolina play NDSU in the FargoDome. Not only because it would be a good game, but also because I live 93 miles from the Dome.

kingoftheroost 01-04-2014 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolinaGnB521 (Post 4048150)
My god, do you people seriously not get the question?

I don't want to answer this topic because I'm torn. I have so many opinions because it is such a hypothetical situation. But to show everyone who doesn't understand the question (or refuses to answer it correctly), I will give it my best shot.


Obviously I know that we can beat North Dakota State, and other premier FCS teams. However, depending on the stage of the game (beginning of the season, middle of season between SEC games, or end of season between SEC and Clemson) it could cause a bit of a stir in Columbia.

I mean shit, we could beat the brakes off everyone 100000000-0 every game and when we play Citadel 90% of our fans will act like little girls running around screaming that the big bad wolf is coming to town. I know that's a bit of an exaggeration...but still. I get that the Citadel, Wofford, and other FCS games are considered "trap" games. I completely understand that. But North Dakota State, and other premier FCS teams are way better than the Citadel, Wofford, and South Carolina State. Sorry for all those alumni and ex-players I just insulted by saying that, but in my opinion it's true.

For this instance I will pretend like we're about to play them in the middle of the season randomly between two SEC opponents. If it is late October, or early November and we have to travel up to North Dakota State (Fargo, ND), I would be pretty pissed off. (1) That's a far ass game to travel too. (2) Why the **** are we playing North Dakota State, one hell of a program, in the middle of an already tough SEC schedule? I'd rather play a crappy FBS team. (3) Why would we put ourselves in a situation where we have NOTHING to gain. We win, we beat an FCS team - hooray!?! We lose though, and it's all over ESPN, and other media outlets, and it's hanging over our head for the rest of the season.

I would go in worried - seriously worried. I would go into this game more worried that I would if we were in the playoff or National Championship simply due to the fact that we have nothing to gain from it. I would fear our players would realize this, and as much as we preached (as fans) and the coaches preached "Don't over look them", it's hard not to overlook a group of men that weren't even offered scholarships at podunk FBS schools. I would also fear that we would get off to a slow start, and the high energy of a team like NDS would have when they played a SEC power would drive us into a hole early. In these games I worry more about our offense than defense. I think our defense will forever take care of it's self just form simply being faster and stronger than most FCS teams we will ever play (Furman in 2010 did move the ball with ease on us for a little bit). However...unless NDS (or any premier FCS team) could put us in a HUGE hole due to self-inflicted mental errors, I feel like in the end the speed and strength would turn the game in the favor of us. It may take a little bit for our guys to get their heads in the game, but once they realize that this team isn't a joke, they'd take over and take care of business. The score on the field won't reflect how much better we really were on the field, if you know what I mean.


That's very similar to the way I feel about it. I feel like we could beat them on any field, but the timing of playing them -- especially in Fargo -- would be critical. The way we currently have the FCS team we play scheduled, it's basically used as an extra bye week before we play CU. But even if we played NDS for the opening game it would be a dangerous game for us. SHOULD we beat them handily? Absolutely, but we also couldn't afford to go into the game thinking a win for us is a lock, because NDS is a legitimately good team, even if they are an FCS school.

I like the way you said if we win people would say, "Congratulations. You just beat an FCS team," but acknowledged it would also be major news if NDS were to pull off the upset. The same scenario exists when we play any FCS team, but it's far less likely the upset will happen against the likes of Citadel and SC State. The thought of playing a true power from that level (3 consecutive national championships now and several upsets of FBS schools over the years) is simply a way to gauge the confidence level of our fan base, especially when considering the thought of not being in the friendly confines of WB.

CarolinaGnB521 01-04-2014 11:29 PM

Re: Willing to play certain FCS schools?
 
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Originally Posted by kingoftheroost (Post 4048165)
That's very similar to the way I feel about it. I feel like we could beat them on any field, but the timing of playing them -- especially in Fargo -- would be critical. The way we currently have the FCS team we play scheduled, it's basically used as an extra bye week before we play CU. But even if we played NDS for the opening game it would be a dangerous game for us. SHOULD we beat them handily? Absolutely, but we also couldn't afford to go into the game thinking a win for us is a lock, because NDS is a legitimately good team, even if they are an FCS school.

I like the way you said if we win people would say, "Congratulations. You just beat an FCS team," but acknowledged it would also be major news if NDS were to pull off the upset. The same scenario exists when we play any FCS team, but it's far less likely the upset will happen against the likes of Citadel and SC State. The thought of playing a true power from that level (3 consecutive national championships now and several upsets of FBS schools over the years) is simply a way to gauge the confidence level of our fan base, especially when considering the thought of not being in the friendly confines of WB.

My confidence level for out program is higher when we play top 10 teams than it is when we play low-level teams. When we play top 10 teams (road or home) I feel like our players know the importance of the game, and will give 100%. When it's a Troy, or Citadel, I feel like at the start of the game they only give 50%, and it works it's way up to 100% by end of the second quarter.

Coondog 01-04-2014 11:34 PM

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Sorry but I prefer Spurrier's philosophy that if you're going to pay a Div 2 (or whatever it's called now) school make it a in-state school to help there athletic dept. make some money. SC St, Wofford, Furman, Coastal Car. are all just a bus ride away so almost all of that money goes to help all there sports. There is absolutely nothing to gain by paying a ND ST. to come here but a lot to lose for our states smaller schools.

kingoftheroost 01-04-2014 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolinaGnB521 (Post 4048169)
My confidence level for out program is higher when we play top 10 teams than it is when we play low-level teams. When we play top 10 teams (road or home) I feel like our players know the importance of the game, and will give 100%. When it's a Troy, or Citadel, I feel like at the start of the game they only give 50%, and it works it's way up to 100% by end of the second quarter.

This is hilarious to me because I sometimes think I'm the only person who feels this way. There's something to be said for the "nothing to lose" mentality. Of course, now that we're consistently one of the better teams in college football, we do stand to lose a little more than we used to.

kingoftheroost 01-04-2014 11:36 PM

Re: Willing to play certain FCS schools?
 
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Originally Posted by Coondog (Post 4048171)
Sorry but I prefer Spurrier's philosophy that if you're going to pay a Div 2 (or whatever it's called now) school make it a in-state school to help there athletic dept. make some money. SC St, Wofford, Furman, Coastal Car. are all just a bus ride away so almost all of that money goes to help all there sports. There is absolutely nothing to gain by paying a ND ST. to come here but a lot to lose for our states smaller schools.

Read the question again. I'm asking how confident would you and others be if we played NDS in Fargo, ND.

doccock 01-04-2014 11:55 PM

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Regardless of how good they are at their level. There is absolutely no incentive to play FCS schools in the future. The new NCAA playoff takes SOS into account and FCS schools won't be of any help in that regard.
doc

CarolinaGnB521 01-05-2014 12:08 AM

Re: Willing to play certain FCS schools?
 
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Originally Posted by doccock (Post 4048183)
Regardless of how good they are at their level. There is absolutely no incentive to play FCS schools in the future. The new NCAA playoff takes SOS into account and FCS schools won't be of any help in that regard.
doc

Do you believe that though? Honestly? For example what if the top 10 in football next season look like this:

1. Alabama (13-0) SOS 21
2. Stanford (13-0) SOS 33
3. LSU (11-1) SOS 28
4. Ohio State (13-0) SOS 62
5. South Carolina (12-1) SOS 18
6. Auburn (10-2) SOS 17
7. Florida St (10-2) SOS 36
8. Michigan State (10-2) SOS 42
9. Boise St (9-3) SOS 39
10. TCU (9-3) SOS 20



Obviously every single thing you see right there is made up, but my point is - hypothetically, if that were all real. Do you really think the people on the board would say "Well, I guess we're going to pick South Carolina over Ohio State!" Yeah, I'll believe THAT when I see it.

FurmanCock 01-05-2014 12:29 AM

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I think SC (SEC era and under Spurrier) wins 9 out of 10 games against any FCS champions, there is simply too much discrepancy in talent levels and depth. I think we would lose about 10% of the time simply because there are some very good, complete, well disciplined FCS teams, with strong systems in place. We would lose at some point to one of those teams, but it wouldn't be often.

Now I mention SEC era SC teams, because our football program has improved dramatically since we joined the SEC, especially under Spurrier. The program before our SEC involvement, I would probably say would have won maybe 7 out of 10 games if we played at a home-field of a FCS champion. Having attended Furman during the 80's, I had some first hand insight one of the top Division 1-AA schools for the decade (two second place finishes, and one national championship in 1988). Between 1982 - 85, we beat SC, Georgia Tech and NC State (twice) -- while obviously always playing on the road. If we had a chance to play a Division 1-A school on our home field (taking away their home field advantage), I would have put our odds of victory at about a 50-50 chance against most schools, (excluding a Big George or Herschel team). At that time, Furman had well disciplined teams, that never beat themselves and were extremely well coached (Dick Sheridan and Jimmy Satterfield).

To those who say we would win 10 out of 10 games played against an FCS champion team on their home field, they are simply delusional. If you start looking at schools that have been dominant for an extended period of time, it's because they are good. They have continuity in their coaching staffs, have a developed program, and have recruited athletes that fit their systems. The current SC program should win 9 out of 10 games played against that sort of team in an away game, but we don't win 10 out of 10.


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