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USCBASEBALL1 01-17-2014 01:05 PM

More UNC cheating ... surprise ......
 
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc/audio/13305475/

I believe its time to clean up College Athletics. Its time to make a standard test score requirement for all athletes that are the same as incoming students no exceptions. We are doing these athletes no favors by letting them attend College and Graduating without being able to read and write. College Athletics have become a sham. I believe College Athletics will survive and thrive with true Student Athletes take the field and not kids that do not care about school.

B-G 01-17-2014 01:15 PM

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Is it college athletics?

Or just basketball and football?

USCBASEBALL1 01-17-2014 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by B-G (Post 4062493)
Is it college athletics?

Or just basketball and football?

I think those two you mentioned make up 99.9% of all the problems.

B-G 01-17-2014 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by USCBASEBALL1 (Post 4062494)
I think those two you mentioned make up 99.9% of all the problems.


Probably 99.999999999999 (let's just round they to 100)

I have friends that swam, golfed and played tennis for USC and didn't have this problem.
It's just the 2 big revenue sports because those are the two that pull profit/ make the school money.

kick_ball 01-17-2014 02:19 PM

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revenue sports problem

ReadR00ster 01-17-2014 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by USCBASEBALL1 (Post 4062486)
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc/audio/13305475/

I believe its time to clean up College Athletics. Its time to make a standard test score requirement for all athletes that are the same as incoming students no exceptions. We are doing these athletes no favors by letting them attend College and Graduating without being able to read and write. College Athletics have become a sham. I believe College Athletics will survive and thrive with true Student Athletes take the field and not kids that do not care about school.

Some may say we are not doing these guys any favors by making them go to college when they don't even really want to learn to read or study when all they want to do is get paid to play a sport. I am not one of those who say think, that but a lot of people do.

USCBASEBALL1 01-17-2014 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ReadR00ster (Post 4062548)
Some may say we are not doing these guys any favors by making them go to college when they don't even really want to learn to read or study when all they want to do is get paid to play a sport. I am not one of those who say think, that but a lot of people do.

Who is making them go to School?

kick_ball 01-17-2014 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by USCBASEBALL1 (Post 4062549)
Who is making them go to School?

if they dont play college ball where are they going to get the exposure to make it to the pros... its the system that is set up right not for basketball and football

SCohioBoy 01-17-2014 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kick_ball (Post 4062553)
if they dont play college ball where are they going to get the exposure to make it to the pros... its the system that is set up right not for basketball and football


For basketball, they can go to Europe. But No one is forcing these kids to play sports, period. It is thier choice. Then can follow the path that is set forth, or do something else.

Cockadoo 01-17-2014 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kick_ball (Post 4062553)
if they dont play college ball where are they going to get the exposure to make it to the pros... its the system that is set up right not for basketball and football


You're thinking about that the wrong way. If the pro's would only take college grads and those college grads had to have passing grades. Also if the college would only accept athletes that are able to pass the standardized testing, then we would not have this issue. The kids would have to learn if they want to make it to the pros or they don't..period. That should be the standard. But what has happened is greed took precedent in the coaches and administrations agenda and they began to bend the rules and we have slowly evolved to where we are today. And it's a helluva lot harder to fix now.

taylorssc 01-17-2014 02:44 PM

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Eye played foot ball at UNC and can a test too the fact that this is: not troo! Mary is a , LIRE!! We culd awl reed and right reel good.

kick_ball 01-17-2014 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SCohioBoy (Post 4062556)
For basketball, they can go to Europe. But No one is forcing these kids to play sports, period. It is thier choice. Then can follow the path that is set forth, or do something else.

yes i do realize that everything in life is a choice ... but if their dream is to play pro sports in america playing college ball is a huge stepping stone to that dream.. not everyone has the resources, family support, economic background etc to be as successful in academics as other people... if you ask me this is just a big indictment of americas secondary education (aka how did these guys graduate from high school if they cant read past a 4th grade level in the first place) .. but that is a whole other disscusion

ReadR00ster 01-17-2014 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by USCBASEBALL1 (Post 4062549)
Who is making them go to School?

The NBA and the NFL are defintely TRYING to get their players to go college for at least a little while. They didn't make it absolute and left ways around it, but it is obvious what they are trying to do, and I like it.

kick_ball 01-17-2014 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cockadoo (Post 4062557)
You're thinking about that the wrong way. If the pro's would only take college grads and those college grads had to have passing grades. Also if the college would only accept athletes that are able to pass the standardized testing, then we would not have this issue. The kids would have to learn if they want to make it to the pros or they don't..period. That should be the standard. But what has happened is greed took precedent in the coaches and administrations agenda and they began to bend the rules and we have slowly evolved to where we are today. And it's a helluva lot harder to fix now.

i agree with you sorta ... but dont you think that colleges and these professors, coaches etc would not pass athletes and even graduate them just so they could make the pros ?

Thenardier 01-17-2014 02:49 PM

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Some tennis program got the death penalty back in the day, lol.

Cockadoo 01-17-2014 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kick_ball (Post 4062569)
i agree with you sorta ... but dont you think that colleges and these professors, coaches etc would not pass athletes and even graduate them just so they could make the pros ?

That was my point exactly. The last sentences of my post stated that these people have bent the rules for greed and success. That would have to stop for this to be rectified. It will be very hard if not impossible at this point. Someone would have to take a hard stance and I believe it would have to be the Pros. to say we will not accept anyone unless they have these basic educational functions.

kick_ball 01-17-2014 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cockadoo (Post 4062576)
That was my point exactly. The last sentences of my post stated that these people have bent the rules for greed and success. That would have to stop for this to be rectified. It will be very hard if not impossible at this point. Someone would have to take a hard stance and I believe it would have to be the Pros. to say we will not accept anyone unless they have these basic educational functions.

and the wonderlic is not evaluation of educational functions? :lol:

ccured 01-17-2014 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Thenardier (Post 4062571)
Some tennis program got the death penalty back in the day, lol.

What's crazy is it was a division 3 school. They had a slush fund set up for foreign players and there can be not athletic scholarships at that level

bravecock524 01-17-2014 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cockadoo (Post 4062557)
You're thinking about that the wrong way. If the pro's would only take college grads and those college grads had to have passing grades. Also if the college would only accept athletes that are able to pass the standardized testing, then we would not have this issue. The kids would have to learn if they want to make it to the pros or they don't..period. That should be the standard. But what has happened is greed took precedent in the coaches and administrations agenda and they began to bend the rules and we have slowly evolved to where we are today. And it's a helluva lot harder to fix now.

How can you be a college grad if you fail your classes?

paynemd2 01-17-2014 03:30 PM

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I'm pretty sure the standards are there, they just aren't enforced really. No school is going to turn down a Clowney talent because of grades when players like that will get you wins and make $ for your program/University. College football is big business. If you are going to turn down those guys and not allow them to get into a college then I think they should be allowed to go pro right after they turn 18 out of High School. Personally I think they should be allowed to go pro whenever an NFL team is willing to draft them. It's their lives and most college football fans selfishly disagree because it would hurt the product on the field in college.


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