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Flameout12 01-26-2014 12:00 PM

Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
While another Connor Shaw thread may seem to be overdone, there’s a chapter in Gamecock football history that we just finished that I think we would be remiss to not acknowledge:

There has been a noticeable and quite enjoyable change in the way Steve Spurrier (SOS) has publicly addressed his QBs starting around the time Connor Shaw became our full time starter. Most of us know winning plays a big part of this, but I believe things are much deeper than that.

It's quite obvious SOS is happy right now and enjoying being a HBC. The play of his QBs is a big a part of this and his praise and admiration for his QBs the past few years has been exceptional.

We all know SOS has always been vocal about his QBs. This is part of his legacy and everyone knows this is just SOS being SOS. We also remember (if we choose to) all too well the public criticism that was handed out to guys like Blake Mitchell, Stephen Garcia and a few times to Chris Smelley. Blake and Stephen got the brunt of most of it and maybe deserved it.
SOS was the QB coach and was always in their ear on the sidelines during games. This is the way SOS did things until he hired G.A. Mangus in Jan 2009.

Prior to ’09, our QB coach was the son of one of SOS’ old buds (John Reaves). Give SOS credit for giving the reigns of recruiting, coaching, managing, and developing his QBs after realizing something needed to be done. The QB carousel from the ’08 season combined with Chris Smelley’s abrupt departure is one of the few dark spots on SOS’ legacy as the Gamecock HBC.

When SOS hired G.A. Mangus away from Rick Stockstill/MTSU, I didn’t think much of it and took a very cynical view of it all. I was very wrong and gladly admit it.

What we got with G.A. Mangus was a noticeable upgrade:

· Former walk-on player and asst. coach at UF who knew SOS’ Fun’n’Gun offense both as a player and as coach.

· Was HBC at Delaware Valley College for 3 years with 33-4 record.

· OC at MTSU which featured a dual threat QB out of the spread including elements of the zone plays that are currently part of our offense. G.A. along with Shawn Elliott are directly responsible for the changes in our offense that has occurred over the past 5 seasons. Give Marcus Lattimore and Connor Shaw credit for convincing SOS that he could win with these changes to his offense.

· Experienced QB coach who not only has played for SOS, but coached under him as well as developed QBs on his own.

· Excellent recruiter and likely no one saw this coming.

There needs to be a line drawn in our QB recruiting, coaching, and developing starting with the time we hired G.A. Mangus. G.A.’s first cycle of recruiting got us Connor Shaw and Dylan Thompson. It should be noted that Connor and Dylan were considered 3 and 2 star recruits with Connor having a few major offers and Dylan only having the one from USC.
In contrast, Blake Mitchell, Chris Smelley, and Stephen Garcia all were considered 4 star recruits with multiple offers including several SEC offers. It also should be noted that so far, only one QB recruited under SOS completed all of his eligibility while at USC: Connor Shaw. I will always believe our QB coaching was a big part of this.

There is clearly a different relationship to QBs at USC since G.A. came here and the difference in the W-L records as well as Top 10 finishes is a byproduct. G.A. also recruits a different kind of QB than his predecessor, specifically noting the character and work ethic elements. While Connor has a unique style of play compared to the typical SOS QB, even Dylan Thompson has done well and has elevated his game way beyond that of a 2 star recruit.

And yet this all goes back to SOS: He is now winning games by adapting after years and years of having his QBs fit a certain mold. Until Connor Shaw, SOS never had a running QB who could consistently make plays with his legs as well as the normal ways. It took not only G.A. Mangus, but Connor Shaw as well to enlighten SOS to what needed to be done to his offense to win.

- Give SOS credit for hiring and empowering G.A. Mangus as his QB coach and OC assistant. While this may have been bore out of frustration and obvious need, this piece of Gamecock football history needs to be remembered.

- Give G.A. Mangus credit for his influence on the offense, recruiting certain types of QBs, developing those QBs and being the much needed buffer between SOS and his QBs.

- Give Connor Shaw credit for being the disciplined coach’s son with an outstanding work ethic. He was talented and determined enough to develop his skills at QB, that he became the best and winningest Gamecock QB ever.

- Give Dylan Thompson similar credit, while his story is still being written. I hope he is part of a lineage of Gamecock QBs who continue what Connor has done for Gamecock football.

I have enjoyed the three-peat 11 win seasons/Top 10 finishes, but I have also enjoyed the quality of our QBs and how well their relationships with our coaches have been.

RudeCock 01-26-2014 12:47 PM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
Give the two QBs credit for being there for each other, always rooting the other on when one was needed over the other. Their bond is not seen much between QBs on the same team. Everyone loves to win but these guys loved to see each other win as well.

Kazak 01-26-2014 01:27 PM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
The OP makes some excellent points about G.A.'s positive impact on the program. I tend to agree. But G.A.'s apparent success with QBs here still boils down to the results of a single QB at this point: Connor Shaw. If Thompson, Nosovitch and/or Mitch reach a similar level of excellence over the next few seasons, then G.A. is definitely the man.

Acockolypse Now 01-26-2014 03:42 PM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
247's recent interview with our new QB recruit (don't remember how to spell his last name) leads me to believe GA is our actual offensive coordinator.

dreammachine 01-26-2014 11:54 PM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
I really enjoyed reading your post.

Blake Mitchell was recruited by Lou Holtz and was not used properly or maybe he was not coached up enough during that time. When SOS got here and allowed Blake to play we did not have an offensive line that could block for him most of the time. I have often wondered how good Blake could have been if he could have came here now and red-shirted under our system and had G.A. Mangus to bring him along. With the O-Line that we have now Blake would have been a much better QB.

2000grad 01-27-2014 12:04 AM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
Here is Shaw's Scout.com recruiting profile

2010 Scout.com HS Football Rankings (full list):
Pos: QB Pos Rank: #31 Pos Rating:

Scout.com Player Evaluation:
STRENGTHS
Accuracy / Consistency
Poise and Leadership
Running Ability / Mobility
AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT
Arm Strength
Size
Shaw is a leader on the football field and he is a true general under center. He does not have the ideal size of a quarterback and he can improve his arm strength, but he does a lot of things well. He is an accurate passer with good mobility. He keeps plays alive with his legs and does a good job of keeping his eyes down field. He is a good fit for a spread offense. - South Recruiting Manager

GH 01-27-2014 12:18 AM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000grad (Post 4071401)
Here is Shaw's Scout.com recruiting profile

2010 Scout.com HS Football Rankings (full list):
Pos: QB Pos Rank: #31 Pos Rating:

Scout.com Player Evaluation:
STRENGTHS
Accuracy / Consistency
Poise and Leadership
Running Ability / Mobility
AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT
Arm Strength
Size
Shaw is a leader on the football field and he is a true general under center. He does not have the ideal size of a quarterback and he can improve his arm strength, but he does a lot of things well. He is an accurate passer with good mobility. He keeps plays alive with his legs and does a good job of keeping his eyes down field. He is a good fit for a spread offense. - South Recruiting Manager



on the money

USCMM 01-27-2014 12:39 AM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
I think Syvelle helped, too. When we were having trouble with the O-line, Syvelle stepped in at QB and helped us out. His mobility helped keep us in some games. If I had to think of the inception of this idea, Syvelle was the moment and Mangus/Elliot/Shaw were the ones to take it to a new level.

garnet_black215 01-27-2014 01:07 AM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
Solid post. Very well done.

gamecockguy 01-27-2014 01:18 AM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
Syvelle is the reason Spurrier started looking around for mobile QBs when our oline couldn't stop a 7th grade JV squad from getting in the backfield.

I do agree that Mangus has played a vital role in the QB development the past few years

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acockolypse Now (Post 4070875)
247's recent interview with our new QB recruit (don't remember how to spell his last name) leads me to believe GA is our actual offensive coordinator.

Mangus and Elliot do have the co-offensive coordinator titles and assist in the playcalling.

cockybreeyan 01-27-2014 06:21 AM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
I really liked the line that "Mangus acts as a buffer between Spurrier and his QB." That's invaluable because Mangus knows exactly how to handle both sides

AtlGAMECOCK 01-27-2014 07:37 AM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
To me syvelle deserves credit for showing spurrier what having a mobile qb could do

carolinafan53186 01-27-2014 07:59 AM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
I can't believe no one has mentioned one of the biggest problems before GA got here. Mud is his name and he didn't coach very much

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yazoo 01-27-2014 08:19 AM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
GA "Magic Man" Mangus is a good coach, has an eye spotting good HS QBs, and is a good recruiter. He is not the OC though. At least no more than Elliott or Jr. Mangus also seems to be a guy for whom his players love to play. He did a good job of mentoring Garcia through a ridiculous media firestorm.

gamecock88 01-27-2014 09:39 AM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dreammachine (Post 4071392)
I really enjoyed reading your post.

Blake Mitchell was recruited by Lou Holtz and was not used properly or maybe he was not coached up enough during that time. When SOS got here and allowed Blake to play we did not have an offensive line that could block for him most of the time. I have often wondered how good Blake could have been if he could have came here now and red-shirted under our system and had G.A. Mangus to bring him along. With the O-Line that we have now Blake would have been a much better QB.

Agreed. BM was one that never reached full potential but not from his own doing.

Flameout12 01-27-2014 10:10 AM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gamecock88 (Post 4071561)
Agreed. BM was one that never reached full potential but not from his own doing.

Blake was an introvert that needed a friend and SOS wasn't that guy at that time. G.A. could have been invaluable in Blake's development, especially the mental toughness part.

Going back to Syvelle, look at Pharoh....Syvelle could have been killer in the zone-read if we'd have run it. He also had a powerful arm, but not as accurate as Blake.


G.A. and Shawn....I think their influence on the play book is more important that who is actually the "OC". There are a lot of new plays/looks (e.g. pistol) that are not old school SOS plays. I still think it's one of the coolest things I've ever seen to see SOS merge his old F'n'G with a new generation of running plays and formations.
I think we can add that to SOS' legacy....old coach, new tricks. :wink:

henmania 01-27-2014 01:28 PM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flameout12 (Post 4071574)
Blake was an introvert that needed a friend and SOS wasn't that guy at that time. G.A. could have been invaluable in Blake's development, especially the mental toughness part.

Going back to Syvelle, look at Pharoh....Syvelle could have been killer in the zone-read if we'd have run it. He also had a powerful arm, but not as accurate as Blake.


G.A. and Shawn....I think their influence on the play book is more important that who is actually the "OC". There are a lot of new plays/looks (e.g. pistol) that are not old school SOS plays. I still think it's one of the coolest things I've ever seen to see SOS merge his old F'n'G with a new generation of running plays and formations.
I think we can add that to SOS' legacy....old coach, new tricks. :wink:

Blake's biggest problem was the lack of a decent OL and his limited mobility. Blake was very slow.

Regalcock 01-27-2014 02:44 PM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flameout12 (Post 4071574)
Blake was an introvert that needed a friend and SOS wasn't that guy at that time. G.A. could have been invaluable in Blake's development, especially the mental toughness part.

Going back to Syvelle, look at Pharoh....Syvelle could have been killer in the zone-read if we'd have run it. He also had a powerful arm, but not as accurate as Blake.


G.A. and Shawn....I think their influence on the play book is more important that who is actually the "OC". There are a lot of new plays/looks (e.g. pistol) that are not old school SOS plays. I still think it's one of the coolest things I've ever seen to see SOS merge his old F'n'G with a new generation of running plays and formations.
I think we can add that to SOS' legacy....old coach, new tricks. :wink:

You make a great point about having GA helping Blake with being mentally tough. He had the tools and he would play hurt but getting hit affected him vastly unlike Connor.

Master Bedroom 01-27-2014 04:24 PM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlGAMECOCK (Post 4071534)
To me syvelle deserves credit for showing spurrier what having a mobile qb could do

Did Syvelle take a position with the team recently...or did I dream that?

Flameout12 01-27-2014 07:27 PM

Re: Discussion on the Steve Spurrier-G.A. Mangus-Connor Shaw relationship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Regalcock (Post 4071825)
You make a great point about having GA helping Blake with being mentally tough.

I think he struggled with the criticism from SOS and all the crap that came with being the QB.


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