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uscgmck 02-07-2014 06:45 PM

Article: Recruiting 2014 - Yes, Rankings Equal Titles
 
Not sure I understand all of this but here you go...



http://cfn.scout.com/2/1373652.html

OldPat 02-07-2014 07:11 PM

Re: Article: Recruiting 2014 - Yes, Rankings Equal Titles
 
Cherry-pick a few 'facts' to buttress your preconceived opinion & claim victory. Nevermind that the population they chose was much too small to draw ANY conclusions & no need to consider that Scout just might have an axe to grind($ to make)by taking said position. LOL.

Ahh, Scout, don't you want us to understand that your ratings/stars are just one small piece of the puzzle of recruiting??? Guess not when there's $$$ to be made...

b381l 02-07-2014 09:26 PM

Re: Article: Recruiting 2014 - Yes, Rankings Equal Titles
 
Here's a stat you won't see anywhere else....the top 50 high players each year, only half make it to the NFL.

ramcock 02-07-2014 11:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by b381l (Post 4083263)
Here's a stat you won't see anywhere else....the top 50 high players each year, only half make it to the NFL.

Interesting stat. I'd bet that the 50% in the top 50 kids is higher than all the subsequent groups of 50 kids....ex: 51-100, 101-150, 151-200,etc...... Rankings do matter to an extent.

sporkgod50 02-07-2014 11:46 PM

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Now that would be a worthwhile piece of info

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramcock (Post 4083334)
Interesting stat. I'd bet that the 50% in the top 50 kids is higher than all the subsequent groups of 50 kids....ex: 51-100, 101-150, 151-200,etc...... Rankings do matter to an extent.


b381l 02-08-2014 03:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ramcock (Post 4083334)
Interesting stat. I'd bet that the 50% in the top 50 kids is higher than all the subsequent groups of 50 kids....ex: 51-100, 101-150, 151-200,etc...... Rankings do matter to an extent.

this is exactly right.....the point is that only half of the best make it.....the next 100 only 40%, then the next 100 only 35%.....I'm making this up but you get the point.

As a percentage, more 5* make it than 4*....more 4* than 3*.......again these are all percentages. In actual numbers, more 2 + 3 stars make it than 4 + 5 stars just because there are so many more of them.

trapper82 02-08-2014 12:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by b381l (Post 4083441)
this is exactly right.....the point is that only half of the best make it.....the next 100 only 40%, then the next 100 only 35%.....I'm making this up but you get the point.

As a percentage, more 5* make it than 4*....more 4* than 3*.......again these are all percentages. In actual numbers, more 2 + 3 stars make it than 4 + 5 stars just because there are so many more of them.

So I decided to put our classes through the same sets of criteria to see exactly where we fit in their model.

1. Over that same five year span we averaged 19th.
2. No team that won had a class higher than 22nd, our 2010 class was 34th and anchors this past season and the one coming up.
3. So we have enough talent to win, but the margin of error is lower than teams that consistently reach the top 10 per the study.

Keep in mind, Scout did this to tout their ranking system but it can be pretty skewed. In other words, good results don't necessarily mean good records. For instance, over that same stretch Notre Dame averaged 13th but had a record of 43-21 with three seasons under 9 wins. Throw on top of this the fact that Scout changes peoples ranks based on if certain teams land them, and it changes the complexion.

So I think it is wrong to say they don't matter, but its just as wrong to say they automatically equal success.

b381l 02-08-2014 12:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by trapper82 (Post 4083526)
So I decided to put our classes through the same sets of criteria to see exactly where we fit in their model.

1. Over that same five year span we averaged 19th.
2. No team that won had a class higher than 22nd, our 2010 class was 34th and anchors this past season and the one coming up.
3. So we have enough talent to win, but the margin of error is lower than teams that consistently reach the top 10 per the study.

Keep in mind, Scout did this to tout their ranking system but it can be pretty skewed. In other words, good results don't necessarily mean good records. For instance, over that same stretch Notre Dame averaged 13th but had a record of 43-21 with three seasons under 9 wins. Throw on top of this the fact that Scout changes peoples ranks based on if certain teams land them, and it changes the complexion.

So I think it is wrong to say they don't matter, but its just as wrong to say they automatically equal success.

your post has nothing to do with my post....I was talking about players getting in the NFL.

plus the scout article is worthless.....

rrsandersjr 02-08-2014 01:19 PM

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I wonder Texas' and Southern Cal's ratings were for the same period. Recruiting success does not guarantee on the field success. What bothers me about the rankings is that they raise or drop a player depending on who he commits to. What's even more troubling is that they do this during a period when no games are played, no combines are held and no all-star games played. The only thing that rankings show, in my opinion, is a snapshot in time. How this player looks at this moment. It does not measure heart, desire and room for improvement. A lot of the players that are highly ranked come from the "football factory" schools and many of them have attained a higher level of proficiency than some from schools without the resources. That being said, I'd rather have a class of 5&4 stars because your room for error is greater.

trapper82 02-08-2014 01:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by b381l (Post 4083539)
your post has nothing to do with my post....I was talking about players getting in the NFL.

plus the scout article is worthless.....

I get a little liberal with the quote button sometimes.

uscgmck 02-08-2014 01:23 PM

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From the start Scout has us going back and forth between 38/35 then all of a sudden we went up but still very short of all other recruiting sites.

rrsandersjr 02-08-2014 03:24 PM

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Does Scout not have a Gamecock outlet? I would think that this plays a roll in how our recruits are ranked by them. There are Gamecock writers for 247 and Rivals who contribute to their rankings.

cockthehammer 02-08-2014 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rrsandersjr (Post 4083604)
Does Scout not have a Gamecock outlet? I would think that this plays a roll in how our recruits are ranked by them. There are Gamecock writers for 247 and Rivals who contribute to their rankings.

It was dead for over a year. Recently the name Gamecock Anthem has been changed to Gamecock Pride, so someone must have bought it. Cannot have hardly any subscribers at this point. That would seem to explain our disparity in their ranking of us in comparison to other sites.

CockLurker 02-08-2014 07:25 PM

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What does all of this show? It shows that overall, recruiting classes DO matter in terms of their ranking. It means the people who do these jobs do them fairly well. Shoot for good classes and don't necessarily worry about individual 5-star recruits. But whatever you do, don't suggest "recruiting rankings don't matter."
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b381l 02-09-2014 02:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by trapper82 (Post 4083549)
I get a little liberal with the quote button sometimes.

:rotfl:

I thought I'd said something stupid, which if you read my posts I'm prone to do quite often.


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