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uscgmck 03-03-2014 04:39 PM

VIDEO: Arizona, Rich Rodriguez poke fun at NCAA 10-second proposal
 

kingoftheroost 03-03-2014 04:48 PM

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Translation: his actual offensive scheme leaves a lot to be desired, so he's afraid to match wits with a defensive coordinator who can easily diagnose what the offense is doing. He can only do that by finding a few plays with certain personnel on the field that benefits the offense and keep going as fast as possible to prevent the defense from putting their best foot forward.

2000grad 03-03-2014 05:05 PM

Re: VIDEO: Arizona, Rich Rodriguez poke fun at NCAA 10-second proposal
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kingoftheroost (Post 4103451)
Translation: his actual offensive scheme leaves a lot to be desired, so he's afraid to match wits with a defensive coordinator who can easily diagnose what the offense is doing. He can only do that by finding a few plays with certain personnel on the field that benefits the offense and keep going as fast as possible to prevent the defense from putting their best foot forward.

So, he outwitted the DC with his scheme?

ReadR00ster 03-03-2014 05:09 PM

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Does Rich Rod think fans like to see defenders rolling on the ground stalling so that they can catch their breath and get sub? Those are the "injuries" that people are talking about. Because that is just going to keep happening in response to these offenses. I mean it's starting to turn into soccer. People want to see football, not soccer, otherwise they'd be watching soccer.

Cock Kool-Aid 03-03-2014 05:14 PM

Re: VIDEO: Arizona, Rich Rodriguez poke fun at NCAA 10-second proposal
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kingoftheroost (Post 4103451)
Translation: his actual offensive scheme leaves a lot to be desired, so he's afraid to match wits with a defensive coordinator who can easily diagnose what the offense is doing. He can only do that by finding a few plays with certain personnel on the field that benefits the offense and keep going as fast as possible to prevent the defense from putting their best foot forward.

Translation: butthurt

Translation: It's an OC's job to do his very best at exploiting any and all defensive weaknesses to the best of his abilities within the rules

Translation: Coaches like Nick Saban want to put an end to up tempo offenses because it actually works toward negating the talent inequalities and evens out the playing field somewhat.

Translation: The 10 second rule sucks and everyone knows it.

B-G 03-03-2014 05:40 PM

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Saban just mad Auburn ran all over his defense.

CockTail 03-03-2014 05:47 PM

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The 10 second rule is equivalent to not allowing blitzes on defense, or not allowing the Winged T on offense. The bottom line is teams don't want to prepare defensively for this type of offense. As long as it is within the rules have at it.

These hurry up offenses can hurt their own defenses if they can not get going, so there is a cost of running them.

kick_ball 03-03-2014 06:06 PM

Re: VIDEO: Arizona, Rich Rodriguez poke fun at NCAA 10-second proposal
 
silly video... even more silly rule

kingoftheroost 03-03-2014 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 2000grad (Post 4103470)
So, he outwitted the DC with his scheme?

No. He hid deficiencies with tempo. If an offensive scheme is good enough to win, it doesn't have to hide behind lining up before the other team. Petrino's offense is one of the best schemes in the country, and it doesn't have to go as fast as humanly possible.

kingoftheroost 03-03-2014 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cock Kool-Aid (Post 4103476)
Translation: butthurt

Translation: It's an OC's job to do his very best at exploiting any and all defensive weaknesses to the best of his abilities within the rules

Translation: Coaches like Nick Saban want to put an end to up tempo offenses because it actually works toward negating the talent inequalities and evens out the playing field somewhat.

Translation: The 10 second rule sucks and everyone knows it.

Who's butthurt? Certainly not I. I absolutely hate the offenses that are predicated on simply lining up before a defense can get its best players on the field or before the other side can even call a play, but my team hasn't really been hurt by them. I just think the offenses are goofy and unimaginative.

Personally, I want to see who comes out on top when both teams have their best players on the field and what they feel is their best play called in a situation. Simply running your system faster and faster takes away from that. But you must be a fan of Chad Morris, Gus Malzahn, and others who run that type of system, so I guess I know who's butthurt now. The rule is in place for the coming season as of right now, so deal with it.

kingoftheroost 03-03-2014 06:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CockTail (Post 4103502)
The 10 second rule is equivalent to not allowing blitzes on defense, or not allowing the Winged T on offense. The bottom line is teams don't want to prepare defensively for this type of offense. As long as it is within the rules have at it.

These hurry up offenses can hurt their own defenses if they can not get going, so there is a cost of running them.

It's nothing like that at all. Being able to call blitzes and stunts and running out of a certain formation doesn't try to prevent the other team from calling its best play or having its best players on the field.

GarnetSwarm1990 03-03-2014 06:51 PM

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His argument is dumb. How fast do you think he can actually get a play called and everybody set from the time the ball is set. Minimum 10 seconds. He's only upset because his teams can't compete with the better teams so his only advantage is to go fast and try to get them out of position. That's not football IMO. That might as well be flag football. Defensive big men have to run as much as running backs in college football. Running backs are subbed in and out all the time. So the D-linemen should be able to get subbed in as often if not more.

If rich rod had his way. There wouldn't be a defensive player over 250 lbs because being around 265+ it's not physically possible to play a every snap against those offenses.

Football is becoming a game of complete offensive advantages. It's not a fair game anymore. The only advantage the defense has is being able to move before the ball is snapped. Offensive coaches want all the advantages they can get and at some point you have to step back and say "well this just isn't a fair game anymore".

kick_ball 03-03-2014 07:32 PM

Re: VIDEO: Arizona, Rich Rodriguez poke fun at NCAA 10-second proposal
 
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Originally Posted by kingoftheroost (Post 4103533)

Personally, I want to see who comes out on top when both teams have their best players on the field and what they feel is their best play called in a situation. Simply running your system faster and faster takes away from that .

Get off my lawn you crazy youths with your loud music and crazy offensive schemes!

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingoftheroost (Post 4103533)
The rule is in place for the coming season as of right now, so deal with it .

also... umm no its not

Thenardier 03-03-2014 07:35 PM

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It's a stupid rule.

Thenardier 03-03-2014 07:37 PM

Re: VIDEO: Arizona, Rich Rodriguez poke fun at NCAA 10-second proposal
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kingoftheroost (Post 4103533)
The rule is in place for the coming season as of right now, so deal with it.

Please, just stop, you're making yourself look silly.

2000grad 03-03-2014 07:54 PM

Re: VIDEO: Arizona, Rich Rodriguez poke fun at NCAA 10-second proposal
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kingoftheroost (Post 4103526)
No. He hid deficiencies with tempo. If an offensive scheme is good enough to win, it doesn't have to hide behind lining up before the other team. Petrino's offense is one of the best schemes in the country, and it doesn't have to go as fast as humanly possible.

Arizona was tied for 13th in defense, so it wasn't run 200 plays to win a game. If rich rod found a way to keep the defense off balance, then he out schemed him. The hunh thinks about 3 plays at a time.

Cock Kool-Aid 03-03-2014 10:23 PM

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Up tempo is unimaginative? Lol it's one of the most progressive things to happen to football in recent memory. They're tough to stop, but a good defense can still do it. All the whining is absurd.

Lalli25 03-03-2014 10:35 PM

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I'd support a rule that after first downs, since the clock is already stopped, the D should get to sub during this moment without the offense being able to snap the ball. However, there should be no rule on when you can snap the ball, other than that.

Oh yeah, this video is dumb.

kingoftheroost 03-04-2014 10:02 AM

Re: VIDEO: Arizona, Rich Rodriguez poke fun at NCAA 10-second proposal
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000grad (Post 4103585)
Arizona was tied for 13th in defense, so it wasn't run 200 plays to win a game. If rich rod found a way to keep the defense off balance, then he out schemed him. The hunh thinks about 3 plays at a time.

Scheme and tempo are completely different things. You usually come across as a pretty intelligent poster, so I'm surprised you don't already understand that. A defense being off balance means the offensive play calling has been good enough that the defensive coordinator and his players are really unsure what defense to call or what to key on. This just makes a defense keep the same personnel on the field and remain in the same, base defense usually. That's why Whammy has typically had success against it, because he's not afraid to call more than one defense against it.

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Originally Posted by Cock Kool-Aid (Post 4103702)
Up tempo is unimaginative? Lol it's one of the most progressive things to happen to football in recent memory. They're tough to stop, but a good defense can still do it. All the whining is absurd.

Yes, it is unimaginative. One personnel group the whole time means the offensive coordinator doesn't have to think about matchups, which allows him to keep running the same basic plays over and over again. It's basically the same as a two-minute offense that's run all the time.

NJGCfan 03-04-2014 11:29 AM

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If there is a scheme that can help you win a game then I swear to you there are no coordinators out there losing sleep that any internet football guru thinks its "unimaginative".

Also its one of the most important characteristics of football that it can evolve and change the way its played to keep it interesting. I'm sure there were opponents if instituting the forward pass when that came about because it was just covering up deficiencies in the run game on offense but it has turned the game into something more fun to watch. You can't just ban every new scheme because it makes it tough on the defense. I love baseball, but it has slowly been declining in popularity because it has been the same game for 160 years. Football has been able to steadily grow in popularity because it allows for constant evolution of the game. If every progressive new scheme was outlawed then I would venture to guess that Football wouldn't be Americas favorite sport by 2050. This is just an awful rule and every one knows it


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