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uscgmck 03-26-2014 04:15 PM

Fox News Just Reported CFB UNIONS OK
 
Details coming

Just a one member vote. Now will go to whole NLRB Board.

NW president said if player are employees football at NW probably done.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...n-bid-unionize

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/0...l-agency-says/

3MTA3 03-26-2014 04:28 PM

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Good. College athletes deserve representation as primary players in the BIG BUSINESS of college sports.

catdaddy66 03-26-2014 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by uscgmck (Post 4121798)
Details coming

Just a one member vote. Now will go to whole NLRB Board.

NW president said if player are employees football at NW probably done.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...n-bid-unionize

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/0...l-agency-says/

Dang it!! You beat me to it...

803scdantes 03-26-2014 04:38 PM

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College sports got too greedy in terms of television deals, stadiums expansions, coaching salaries, etc. and now the players want a piece of the action. I can't say I have a problem with it, but I believe this will alter college sports as we know them.

USCBatgirl21 03-26-2014 04:49 PM

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Alter is putting it mildly. It will destroy college athletics.
And that's even before you take all the Title IX regulations into account.

CockyCody 03-26-2014 04:54 PM

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Well, I always thought that Northwestern football was in the crapper anyway.

B-G 03-26-2014 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 3MTA3 (Post 4121810)
Good. College athletes deserve representation as primary players in the BIG BUSINESS of college sports.

Is it athletes? Or just football and basketball players?

USCBatgirl21 03-26-2014 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by B-G (Post 4121830)
Is it athletes? Or just football and basketball players?

Right now it's just football. But it's na´ve to think that it eventually would not encompass ALL athletes at a school, which is when Title IX will come into play.

ReadR00ster 03-26-2014 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CockyCody (Post 4121828)
Well, I always thought that Northwestern football was in the crapper anyway.

They have a team and fans and make a bowl game every year. I don't know what their spread sheet says, but not all schools make money on the sport. If you want to treat schools like regular businesses than these "businesses" are going to have to make cutbacks in order to pay their "employees" If someone makes them pay the players than they can't afford to pay than the business folds. Bad day for all except the greedy few college athletes while all the rest will suffer. I makes we wonder. Will this union demand they pay the players if a lot of schools would rather just be done with the sport?

3MTA3 03-26-2014 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by USCBatgirl21 (Post 4121833)
Right now it's just football. But it's na´ve to think that it eventually would not encompass ALL athletes at a school, which is when Title IX will come into play.


Never underestimate the ability for lawyers and lawmakers to find a way around current legislation, or re-write current legislation.

Anyone who thinks Title IX is going to be the end-all, be-all road block to player compensation is delusional.

ccured 03-26-2014 05:22 PM

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The universities and conferences are too strong they will lobby and the common legal definition of employee will be amended to not include student athletes. The NFL and NBA will back the schools because they don't want to spend the money on a minor league.

Also if scholarships are compensation how are they going to pay taxes on the income? So say a player gets a scholarship of 40k a year and makes 10k salary. Taxes at 20% will be the entire 10k in liquid salary. Now you are back to having no money.

There are many implications but it is way to early to really mean anything. This vote gave 1 private university the right to organize. No bearing on public universities. Nothing saying they had to unionize. If they are employees do they have access to pension plans? Any union in place will side with the school because it can't afford to lose a piece of a dwindling pension

3MTA3 03-26-2014 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by USCBatgirl21 (Post 4121824)
Alter is putting it mildly. It will destroy college athletics.

And that's even before you take all the Title IX regulations into account.


That is your opinion, but it is only that.

People assumed the end of amateurism would destroy the Olympics, too.

Whoops.

3MTA3 03-26-2014 05:39 PM

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The end of the exploitation of college athletes does mean we will eventually have a system different from the one we currently know.

Will the system be better? Hopefully. Might it be worse? Maybe.

But we should not let the fear of a worse system prevent us from pursuing a better, more fair system.

GapoGamecock51 03-26-2014 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 3MTA3 (Post 4121810)
Good. College athletes deserve representation as primary players in the BIG BUSINESS of college sports.

They deserve something, but it seems to me the rules of college football could be amended to include some sort of monetary subsistence.....There already getting a free college education....Plus, on top of that, I am assuming that the benefits of training facilities and other high priced accomodations that players receive at major universities, are a partial payment as well.....Granted most are there to further an attempt to play professionally, but that does not negate the fact that most will not make it.........If the degree is worth anything, then it is worth something as a fall back measure if their professional careers do not pan out. That being said, I have no objections to a third year player leaving to attempt to ply his trade in the NFL, and if it doesn't work out coming back to finish up his degree.


Gapo

JaxcockFL 03-26-2014 05:41 PM

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So...does the cost of their education room and board get deducted from their pay?

I'm also looking forward to the tweets from players when they get their first checks with taxes withheld.

3MTA3 03-26-2014 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JaxcockFL (Post 4121858)
So...does the cost of their education room and board get deducted from their pay?

I'm also looking forward to the tweets from players when they get their first checks with taxes withheld.


Your last point assumes that their compensation would be considered income. That might not necessarily be the case.

JaxcockFL 03-26-2014 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 3MTA3 (Post 4121862)
Your last point assumes that their compensation would be considered income. That might not necessarily be the case.


Yes, that is assuming that they get paid by check or direct deposit in real American dollars. thanks.

3MTA3 03-26-2014 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GapoGamecock51 (Post 4121857)
They deserve something, but it seems to me the rules of college football could be amended to include some sort of monetary subsistence.....There already getting a free college education....Plus, on top of that, I am assuming that the benefits of training facilities and other high priced accomodations that players receive at major universities, are a partial payment as well.....Granted most are there to further an attempt to play professionally, but that does not negate the fact that most will not make it.........If the degree is worth anything, then it is worth something as a fall back measure if their professional careers do not pan out. That being said, I have no objections to a third year player leaving to attempt to ply his trade in the NFL, and if it doesn't work out coming back to finish up his degree.





Gapo


But that's not the point of this ruling.

This ruling is about considering the players employees this allowing them to unionize.

If we step back and take the emotion out of this (OH NO! MY CFB IS GOING AWAY!) then we must look at the fact that college athletes currently receive compensation (scholarships) in return for services rendered. This is different than typical students who receive a scholarship simply for meeting qualifications. Sure, if they don't go to class they can lose the scholarship, but that's only because they no longer qualify (GPA drops below a threshold).

So since college athletes receive compensation for services rendered, they must be considered employees, thus giving them the same right as any employee.

3MTA3 03-26-2014 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JaxcockFL (Post 4121865)
Yes, that is assuming that they get paid by check or direct deposit in real American dollars. thanks.


Again, that doesn't necessarily equate to income. The definition of income can be open to legalese interpretation.

JaxcockFL 03-26-2014 05:57 PM

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I wasn't aware of that. Do you have a pertinent example?


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