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GH 04-12-2014 09:09 PM

Blah, Blah, Blah...Shotgun...Pistol...Under Center
 
Shotgun
Pros

Better against pressure due to being 7 yards back at line of scrimmage.
QB has a better view of the field (not in Madden)
Give the QB more time to show the ball on PA and Options

Cons
Harder to use 1 step drop concepts due to the 7 yard placement basically being an automatic 3 step drop
Lack of a downhill running game
Possibility of a bad snap


Under Center
Pros
Downhill running game
Great for 1 step drop concepts
Allows more action off the play action

Cons
Possible lack of vision for a QB
Struggles against pressure right up the middle more than Shotgun
QB has to completely turn his back to the defense off of any hard play action



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Shotgun Formation

The shotgun formation is one that has the quarterback lined up 5 to 7 yards behind the center. The center snaps the ball through the air back to the quarterback at the start of the play. Over the last decade, the shotgun formation has been utilized more and more, as teams have become more and more pass focused. A big advantage to the shotgun formation is having the quarterback already in position to throw the ball when he receives the snap. This is much different than an "under center" snap, where the quarterback would have to drop back before being in position to throw.
Pistol Formation

The "pistol" formation also has the quarterback taking a deeper snap from center. However, in this formation, the quarterback lines up only about 3 or 4 yards behind the center, with a running back behind him. The pistol formation also continues to be utilized as teams try to gain any edge over their opponents. The pistol formation gives an offensive scheme more options at the snap of the ball. It's an easier run formation than the shotgun, because the quarterback is not the deepest back. However, it still allows the quarterback to get the ball in throwing position quickly for timing routes.

One disadvantage to these formations is, unless a team uses them consistently, trends and patterns can develop that make play prediction a little easier for the defense. But both the pistol formation and the shotgun formation have opened up the game of football and made things more exciting to watch.

Shotgun - "RBs have more leeway to move laterally when running out of the shotgun. When moving forward to take a handoff, their direction is already chosen because they have to go downhill to get the ball. Takes "happy feet" out of the equation for most backs.

The biggest thing to me is it allows the QB to see the defense more easily pre-snap and right at the snap. The biggest draw back to me is that the QBs drop is more or less already determined. The DEs don't have to figure out of its a one step, three step, or five step drop during the course of the play so it's a little easier for them to pin their ears back."

"I'd say the defense while the qb is under center, has to prioritize against the run and that can leave defenses vulnerable to the quick pass to a wide out, running back or a qb that rolls out and hits the receiver dragging across the middle. "


"No blind side in the shot gun."


"Shotgun sets up draw a bit better and gives RBs time to watch the holes open up a little bit better than the pro-style does. However, pro-style, under center plays allows Oline to "get lower" go with the hard count (versus silent count) and punch the dline harder..."

carolina_corpsman 04-12-2014 09:25 PM

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With the big O line and talent at RB... The qb under center is a better option for this team.

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HeadCockFan 04-12-2014 10:33 PM

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We should run a carbine set.

GamecockSuperFan 04-12-2014 10:37 PM

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Not seeing how shotgun formations result in a lack of a downhill running game. We lacked any sort of a run game really until the inside zone became prevalent in the playcalling. Part of that was the addition of Marcus Lattimore, but inside zone out of numerous shotgun formations was his play. Over and over again.

Auburn and Oregon run right at people (rarely if ever leaving the shotgun) and put up some of the best rushing statistics.

Flameout12 04-12-2014 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by carolina_corpsman (Post 4133718)
With the big O line...

Big OLs don't guarantee they can keep from whiffing on blocks, missing blitzes or stunts...stick with what got us 3X 11 win seasons.

GH 04-12-2014 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GamecockSuperFan (Post 4133741)
Not seeing how shotgun formations result in a lack of a downhill running game. We lacked any sort of a run game really until the inside zone became prevalent in the playcalling. Part of that was the addition of Marcus Lattimore, but inside zone out of numerous shotgun formations was his play. Over and over again.

Auburn and Oregon run right at people (rarely if ever leaving the shotgun) and put up some of the best rushing statistics.


Overall thread topic is general philosophy across football

Auburn and Oregon run uptempo offenses...wonder whether wee will run more uptempo?

Cock Kool-Aid 04-12-2014 11:20 PM

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Oregon runs a ton of pistol.

Spurrier_Superior_One 04-12-2014 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GH (Post 4133757)
Overall thread topic is general philosophy across football

Auburn and Oregon run uptempo offenses...wonder whether wee will run more uptempo?

I think we see a lot more up tempo no huddle offense this year especially with a more Spurrieresque QB in DT.

GH 04-12-2014 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Spurrier_Superior_One (Post 4133777)
I think we see a lot more up tempo no huddle offense this year especially with a more Spurrieresque QB in DT.


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JAYBEZ 04-12-2014 11:54 PM

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I am happy as long as the offense moves.

But on your point about the running game
Auburn seems to do alright...

cocky2007 04-12-2014 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Spurrier_Superior_One (Post 4133777)
I think we see a lot more up tempo no huddle offense this year especially with a more Spurrieresque QB in DT.

I don't think we'll see much of a change in offensive scheme. We will still play ball control and try to keep the defense off the field unless we fall behind. The biggest difference I think will be where Connor would scramble, Dylan will check down or go through more progressions.

JAYBEZ 04-12-2014 11:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GH (Post 4133757)
Overall thread topic is general philosophy across football

Auburn and Oregon run uptempo offenses...wonder whether wee will run more uptempo?

I imagine we will do a lot of what we did last year. Hurry up to the line so Spurrier can audible.

There is a big difference in that versus the frenetic play pace that oregon, auburn, and even clemson are trying for.

They try to beat you by wearing the D down. Spurrier beats you by out coaching the D. I like our current style.

etowngangsta 04-13-2014 12:19 AM

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I formation with 2 TE every play is the only way!

GH 04-13-2014 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by etowngangsta (Post 4133807)
I formation with 2 TE every play is the only way!


You sound like me in the chat room during the games after a couple of brews.

rioninusc 04-13-2014 12:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GamecockSuperFan (Post 4133741)
Not seeing how shotgun formations result in a lack of a downhill running game. We lacked any sort of a run game really until the inside zone became prevalent in the playcalling. Part of that was the addition of Marcus Lattimore, but inside zone out of numerous shotgun formations was his play. Over and over again.

Auburn and Oregon run right at people (rarely if ever leaving the shotgun) and put up some of the best rushing statistics.

AU, and OU uses Deception they don't run AT people. AU has 3 different runners defenses have to account for every play. They have 2 WR, and those runners become WR besides the QB when they get out of the backfield. What GH is saying is that your typical Shotgun most likely with 3-4 WR and 1 RB sometimes with a TE, the lone RB chooses a direction and great D's can get em. AU has 3 RB, and first defenses have to locate the ball, and then get the RB, by then most of the time the runner is past the LOS. You know that GM has a great offensive scheme to take one of the worst teams in the SEC last year, and make them the best this year.

uscsandstorm85 04-13-2014 12:37 AM

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Whatever moves the offense forward instead of backwards.

Thenardier 04-13-2014 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rioninusc (Post 4133813)
AU, and OU uses Deception they don't run AT people. AU has 3 different runners defenses have to account for every play. They have 2 WR, and those runners become WR besides the QB when they get out of the backfield. What GH is saying is that your typical Shotgun most likely with 3-4 WR and 1 RB sometimes with a TE, the lone RB chooses a direction and great D's can get em. AU has 3 RB, and first defenses have to locate the ball, and then get the RB, by then most of the time the runner is past the LOS. You know that GM has a great offensive scheme to take one of the worst teams in the SEC last year, and make them the best this year.

Auburn also physically shoved teams out of the way. The blocking schemes were fantastic.

Flameout12 04-13-2014 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Thenardier (Post 4133820)
Auburn also physically shoved teams out of the way. The blocking schemes were fantastic.

Agree....especially Mizzou. It's some kind of power-single wing style offense.
For now, AU is the new UF/Tebow offense that is hard to stop. The good news for AU, is if there's a DC in the SEC that can find a way to slow AU's offense down, he's already your DC.

JerseyBird 04-13-2014 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by HeadCockFan (Post 4133738)
We should run a carbine set.

That would be most impressive to see in action :thumbsup:



The precious little I can add to the topic:

I wasn't on here back then, but how did everyone feel about the decision to stay in the gun for the 4th & goal from the 1/2 yard line against UGA? I was in disbelief as they lined up and not at all surprised at the result. Of course, had it worked it would have been masterful genius :woo:

ra742002 04-13-2014 07:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rioninusc (Post 4133813)
AU, and OU uses Deception they don't run AT people. AU has 3 different runners defenses have to account for every play. They have 2 WR, and those runners become WR besides the QB when they get out of the backfield. What GH is saying is that your typical Shotgun most likely with 3-4 WR and 1 RB sometimes with a TE, the lone RB chooses a direction and great D's can get em. AU has 3 RB, and first defenses have to locate the ball, and then get the RB, by then most of the time the runner is past the LOS. You know that GM has a great offensive scheme to take one of the worst teams in the SEC last year, and make them the best this year.

Calling bull on lumping Oregon and Auburn together is not correct. Philosophically, they couldn't be further apart. The only two similarities are shotgun formations and up tempo. After that, they are VERY different. Auburn runs the old wing-t, single-wing concepts from the shotgun. Oregon on the other hand runs more single back, zone concepts with the Power O play, and outside zone (sweep), along with VERY little option. Oregon is a spread team, they run true spread concepts. Aubie gives you the allusion they are a spread team, when they are actually not


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