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GregoryHouse 04-27-2014 11:34 AM

Gamecocks Record Versus Top Ten Teams Since 2009
 
I did not have anything better to do today. Please excuse any inaccuracies as I am sure there are some.

2009 - 1-2
Vs #4 Ole Miss - W - 16-10
At #2 Alabama - L - 6-20
Vs #1 Florida - L - 14-24

2010 - 1-1
Vs #1 Alabama - W - 35-21
Neutral site (Atlanta - SECCG) - #2 Auburn - L - 17-56

2011 - 0-1
At #8 Arkansas L - 28-44

2012 - 1-2
Vs #5 Georgia - W - 35-7
At #9 LSU - L - 21-23
At #3 Florida - L - 11-44

2013 - 2-0
At #5 Missourri - W (2OT) - 27-24
Vs #6 Clemson - W - 31-17


Overall record versus top ten teams since 2009 is 5-6 which is actually pretty dang good - basically a coin flip.

In five home games, the Cocks are 4-1...an outstanding percentage..I would wager that record is better than any team in the nation.

Average Score = Gamecocks 22 and Top Ten Opponent 26

Overall, bet on the Gamecocks to beat anyone when playing at home (I know...17 straight so CPT Obvious statement). When the Gamecocks plays a top ten team on the road, we will likely lose. If the line is Gamecocks -9 or less at home, it is a good idea to bet on the Cocks. If the line is Gamecocks +9 or less on the road, betting against the Cocks would make money.

Thenardier 04-27-2014 11:55 AM

Re: Gamecocks Record Versus Top Ten Teams Since 2009
 
2010 should be vs. Auburn @Atlanta SC was the "home" team. Though those are pretty good numbers.

GregoryHouse 04-27-2014 12:14 PM

Re: Gamecocks Record Versus Top Ten Teams Since 2009
 
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Originally Posted by Thenardier (Post 4144525)
2010 should be vs. Auburn @Atlanta SC was the "home" team. Though those are pretty good numbers.


True. Will change but will count it as a "neutral site" game. Thank you.

SanAntonioCock 04-27-2014 12:53 PM

Re: Gamecocks Record Versus Top Ten Teams Since 2009
 
I expected us to lose some of those games we won, and to win some that we lost. I guess I better stick to CockyCash.
Biggest disappointment: 2012 Florida
Biggest surprise : 2010 Alabama

Taylorspur 04-27-2014 01:22 PM

Re: Gamecocks Record Versus Top Ten Teams Since 2009
 
Where did Central Florida end up in 2013?

MisterClowney 04-27-2014 01:25 PM

Re: Gamecocks Record Versus Top Ten Teams Since 2009
 
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Originally Posted by Taylorspur (Post 4144547)
Where did Central Florida end up in 2013?

The rankings shown are not end of season rankings, but the ranking of the team when we played them.

JaxcockFL 04-27-2014 01:34 PM

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I think it's the ranking when we played them.

RHHS8068 04-27-2014 02:24 PM

Re: Gamecocks Record Versus Top Ten Teams Since 2009
 
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Originally Posted by MisterClowney (Post 4144550)
The rankings shown are not end of season rankings, but the ranking of the team when we played them.

That's the type of statistic that keeps other conferences relevant. Even though the media pays attention to it, it doesn't matter how highly ranked a team was when you played them, only where they ended up.

For example, look at Southern Cal in 2012. They started the season ranked #1, but finished 7-6. Sure, they were ranked #2 when they lost their first game, but it turned out to be just another loss for a mediocre team.

GregoryHouse 04-27-2014 02:59 PM

Re: Gamecocks Record Versus Top Ten Teams Since 2009
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RHHS8068 (Post 4144592)
That's the type of statistic that keeps other conferences relevant. Even though the media pays attention to it, it doesn't matter how highly ranked a team was when you played them, only where they ended up.

For example, look at Southern Cal in 2012. They started the season ranked #1, but finished 7-6. Sure, they were ranked #2 when they lost their first game, but it turned out to be just another loss for a mediocre team.


Your argument has merit, certainly.

I ask you this, on average, where do you think the teams end up after we beat them and where do you think they end up when we lose to them?

GamecockSuperFan 04-27-2014 03:21 PM

Re: Gamecocks Record Versus Top Ten Teams Since 2009
 
I'm curious to know how our record vs. Top ten teams since 2009 stacks up against other teams in the SEC.

Thenardier 04-27-2014 04:59 PM

Re: Gamecocks Record Versus Top Ten Teams Since 2009
 
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Originally Posted by GamecockSuperFan (Post 4144635)
I'm curious to know how our record vs. Top ten teams since 2009 stacks up against other teams in the SEC.

Auburn was 6-9, which is pretty decent considering the dumpster fire of 2012.

ConwayGamecock 04-27-2014 05:19 PM

Re: Gamecocks Record Versus Top Ten Teams Since 2009
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RHHS8068 (Post 4144592)
That's the type of statistic that keeps other conferences relevant. Even though the media pays attention to it, it doesn't matter how highly ranked a team was when you played them, only where they ended up.

For example, look at Southern Cal in 2012. They started the season ranked #1, but finished 7-6. Sure, they were ranked #2 when they lost their first game, but it turned out to be just another loss for a mediocre team.

OK, let's see:


Quote:

Originally Posted by GH (Post 4144519)
I did not have anything better to do today. Please excuse any inaccuracies as I am sure there are some.

2009 - 1-2
Vs #4 Ole Miss - W - 16-10 Ended 20th/21st at 9-4
At #2 Alabama - L - 6-20 Ended 1st/1st at 14-0, NC
Vs #1 Florida - L - 14-24 Ended 3rd/3rd at 13-1

2010 - 1-1
Vs #1 Alabama - W - 35-21 Ended 10th/11th at 10-3
Neutral site (Atlanta - SECCG) - #2 Auburn - L - 17-56 Ended 1st/1st at 14-0, NC

2011 - 0-1
At #8 Arkansas L - 28-44 Ended 5th/5th at 11-2

2012 - 1-2
Vs #5 Georgia - W - 35-7 Ended 5th/4th at 12-2
At #9 LSU - L - 21-23 Ended 14th/12th at 10-3
At #3 Florida - L - 11-44 Ended 9th/10th at 11-2

2013 - 2-0
At #5 Missourri - W (2OT) - 27-24 Ended 5th/5th at 12-2
Vs #6 Clemson - W - 31-17 Ended 8th/7th at 11-2

So 9 of the 11 opponents USC faced that were ranked top 10 at the time of the game actually FINISHED in the top 10 of at least ONE poll by the end of the season. Of the 2 who didn't, LSU finished just outside of the top 10 rankings...

Looking at the ones who remained top 10 in the FINAL rankings only, USC went 4-5 against them. Pretty much the same difference....

Mechanical Cock 04-27-2014 06:37 PM

Re: Gamecocks Record Versus Top Ten Teams Since 2009
 
UCF finished 10 in AP last year, but we take 2010 auburn twice for losses.

RHHS8068 04-27-2014 07:55 PM

Re: Gamecocks Record Versus Top Ten Teams Since 2009
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GH (Post 4144618)
Your argument has merit, certainly.

I ask you this, on average, where do you think the teams end up after we beat them and where do you think they end up when we lose to them?

Not sure I understand the question. Obviously, a team's ranking improves after a win and degrades after a loss. The point remains that it's more important to look after the season is over.

The media looks at the ranking at the time of the game because it keeps the other conferences relevant and more people interested.

The other poster brought up UCF. That's another great example. Our win over UCF on the road turned out to be a lot bigger than clemson's win over UGA at home. Nobody thought so at the time, but that was the reality.

RHHS8068 04-27-2014 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ConwayGamecock (Post 4144732)
Pretty much the same difference....

Because 10 of the 11 examples are vs opponents from the SEC who tend in general to hold their rankings through bowl season better than teams from other conferences.

Run the same test on a few teams from the ACC or Big Ten and I bet you'll find that the "quality" wins don't hold up as strongly as in our example. Teams from those conferences tend to get exposed during bowl season.

CaptainCock91 04-28-2014 12:48 AM

Re: Gamecocks Record Versus Top Ten Teams Since 2009
 
Here's the same thing, but with teams that finished in the top 10:

2009 (0-2)

@ #1 Alabama (L 20-6)
Vs. #3 Florida (L 24-14)

2010 (1-2)

@ #1 Auburn (L 35-27)
Vs. #10 Alabama (W 35-21)
Vs. #1 Auburn (L 56-17) *Neutral Site

2011 (0-1)

@ #5 Arkansas (L 44-28)

2012 (1-1)

Vs. #5 Georgia (W 35-7)
@ #9 Florida (L 44-11)

2013 (3-0)

@ #10 UCF (W 28-25)
@ #5 Missouri (W 27-24)
Vs. #8 Clemson (W 31-17)

By my count, that's 5-6 over the same time period.

3-1 at home

2-4 on the road

0-1 neutral site

Used wiki for scores and final rankings. Let me know if I missed anything.

So, looking at the original post, the overall record is the same, and the 3-1 home record is still pretty impressive (the only home loss out of this was 09' Florida).

GamecockUltimate 04-28-2014 01:52 AM

Re: Gamecocks Record Versus Top Ten Teams Since 2009
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thenardier (Post 4144721)
Auburn was 6-9, which is pretty decent considering the dumpster fire of 2012.

You guys got 2 national titles to though. Kudos


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