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TaiwanCock 05-05-2014 02:51 PM

Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
"You take a guy like Jadeveon Clowney," McNair said. "He's obviously the best player in the draft, but he's a defensive end. He's not a quarterback. If he's a quarterback and the best player it's easy, but that's not the case. So can that defensive player have a greater impact on the success of your team than one of these quarterbacks? It's not a sure thing that he is."

TaiwanCock 05-05-2014 02:56 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
Bell Tolls: Texas-sized dilemma for Texans, Johnny Manziel

Maybe Atlanta will be the team to leap to the top spot for Clowney. Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff, slotted sixth, moved up 20 slots to draft Julio Jones in 2011. You know he'd pull the trigger again.

The Falcons don't need a quarterback. They need Clowney.

TheUniversityofSC 05-05-2014 02:58 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
I just do not think johnny will be any good at the next level.

Mt. Lattimore 05-05-2014 03:00 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
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Originally Posted by TheUniversityofSC (Post 4150086)
I just do not think johnny will be any good at the next level.

He's no "sure thing", that's "for sure".

TaiwanCock 05-05-2014 03:05 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
He's got some great athleticism and intangibles, that's for sure, but he strikes me as an even less disciplined version of Tony Romo. He's got both the biggest upside and downside. I know I'm probably wearing Garnet glasses, but I bet Manziel will win a couple games on sheer guts, then he'll lose some head-scratchers.

Mt. Lattimore 05-05-2014 03:09 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
Manziel = Tebow 2.0

Wkrice91 05-05-2014 03:13 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt. Lattimore (Post 4150094)
Manziel = Tebow 2.0


I am leaning that way myself, although I think he has a better chance than Tebow of making it. However, his style of play will not translate into the NFL.

donbgamecock 05-05-2014 03:24 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
Getting back to Jadeveon: I think the upside of JD is that he is 6-6. By the 2015 football season, he is likely to be a huge DE. He just turned 21. He could be a 280-290 DE with no problem at all. Remember how much Taylor blew up after he went pro?

Lonnie 05-05-2014 03:29 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
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Originally Posted by donbgamecock (Post 4150100)
Remember how much Taylor blew up after he went pro?

Ah, the good ole day's of unchecked PED use in the NFL.... :woo:

Flameout12 05-05-2014 03:29 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TaiwanCock (Post 4150083)
"You take a guy like Jadeveon Clowney," McNair said. "He's obviously the best player in the draft...

Which means he's sandbagging....JD goes #1.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt. Lattimore (Post 4150094)
Manziel = Tebow 2.0

Nah....JM has an accurate arm and can do some uncanny things...not just run over people....huge difference.

One of greatest question marks in recent draft history.

Flameout12 05-05-2014 03:31 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by donbgamecock (Post 4150100)
He could be a 280-290 DE with no problem at all.

But he won't....265, chisled, and playing some LB.

Harry Tuttle 05-05-2014 04:08 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
JJ Watt will make sure Clowney is a sure thing, just like Ray LEwis did with any draft pick to the Ravens. In fact, Houston could turn into the new Ravens.

hellraiser24 05-05-2014 04:37 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
Yeah, they think Clowney is the best prospect in the draft, but they need a QB. The Schaub era is over with now and I don't see Fitzpatrick leading the Texans to the playoffs. While they are so high on Clowney's talent, they are also concerned as to how effective he would be in their 3-4 defense. Latest rumors I'm hearing have the Texans deciding between Clowney and Manziel.

TaiwanCock 05-05-2014 04:49 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
In fact, Houston could turn into the new Ravens.

Interesting take, because who says you HAVE to take a QB in the early rounds in order to create a championship caliber team. Why NOT continue building a great defense (the Ravens won the Super Bowl with Dilfer), then pick up a good game manager type (McCarron and Shaw will probably be available) in the later rounds. I don't think MCarron and Shaw are considered to have the upside of a Manziel (or Bortles or Bridgewater), but I don't think they have as much downside as those names either.

ccured 05-05-2014 04:55 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
they should take clowney 1 and Zach Mettenberger in the 2nd or 3rd round.

brat 05-05-2014 04:55 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
No franchise QB's in the draft means Texans take Clowney.

snruter amabon 05-05-2014 04:56 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ccured (Post 4150164)
they should take clowney 1 and Zach Mettenberger in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Better- Take Clowney 1st, take Connor Shaw late rounds.

ccured 05-05-2014 05:07 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
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Originally Posted by snruter amabon (Post 4150166)
Better- Take Clowney 1st, take Connor Shaw late rounds.

shaw is a winnerand I would love the texans to take him but Mettenberger has the potential to be a stud franchise qb. he is big, has a big arm, and showed drastic improvement last year with a pro coordinator

snruter amabon 05-05-2014 05:09 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ccured (Post 4150177)
shaw is a winnerand I would love the texans to take him but Mettenberger has the potential to be a stud franchise qb. he is big, has a big arm, and showed drastic improvement last year with a pro coordinator

No, I totally understand, but thinking long term for the Texans they could fill a need in 2nd or 3rd round with OL or Safety & steal Shaw in the 5th. Game manager and strong defense wins championships.

ccured 05-05-2014 06:25 PM

Re: Texans' Bob McNair: Jadeveon Clowney is best in draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by snruter amabon (Post 4150180)
No, I totally understand, but thinking long term for the Texans they could fill a need in 2nd or 3rd round with OL or Safety & steal Shaw in the 5th. Game manager and strong defense wins championships.

like the other dude said copy the ravens model. Shaw is better than Dilfer


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