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NJGCfan 06-12-2014 07:48 PM

D-line Progress
 
http://www.gogamecocks.com/2014/06/11/599360/new-look-defensive-line-remains.html?sp=/99/113/&ihp=1 The Article talks about how the youngsters are coming along which is all well and good, but what intrigues me is
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Darius has had a quiet but good spring. He's up to about 245 to 250 now. He's holding his weight. He's being able to hold ground a lot better than he has in the past.
It would be ideal if English is 250+ by week 1. If he is, I think we will have the pass rushing threat that is necessary with Clowney and Quarles gone

SIAP, I didn't see it anywhere

garnet_black215 06-12-2014 10:36 PM

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Read this last night. It gave me a little bit of hope for the DL. Good to hear David Johnson is coming along. Hopefully he can provide somewhat of a pass rush.

4gamecockfb 06-12-2014 10:43 PM

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David Johnson will be a beast. Explosive guy

Cockypantherfan 06-12-2014 11:02 PM

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I like the all around depth we have. We should be able to keep the guys very fresh and not see much drop off when rotating players. New blitz packages will have to be utilized to add pressure which will be key in helping out our young secondary.

AtlGamecock3307 06-13-2014 01:49 AM

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A little surprised to see dukes at #1 at the second dt position instead of Dixon jr but I'm glad he is. If he can play up to his potential this year it would be amazing for our d line.

Goofyboy 06-13-2014 12:05 PM

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I still believe we will have DL strength by depth rather than stardom. With the likely rotation at DT and so many quality guys vying to get onto the field, nobody need take a play off, and we may be able to wear down opposing offensive lines. We have a couple, at least with good quickness (Griffin, Lamin, Green) and some with good bulk and strength (Dukes, Dixon Jr) and Surratt. who seems to have both. At DE, we will likely have "specialists" with nobody already on board showing an edge-sealing ability combined with good penetration and pass rushing. I'm hoping Thomas comes in and is near-ready and that D Johnson is the tough playmaker at present size his HS days indicated.

BigMike 06-13-2014 12:46 PM

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The staff appears to have already gotten English body ready for the Fall season. From all expert accounts he has all the tools to have a monster season. The talent level after English is huge and it is ideal to have 4 well rounded DE's. It appears we will use some combination of Chubs and Tweeners. I believe the tweeners will have a better impact because of their athletism. I not to optimistic on Thomas making it in on Summer II. I would love for him to some in and be able to compete on SEC level and provide some needed depth.

qcgamecock 06-13-2014 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofyboy (Post 4181803)
I still believe we will have DL strength by depth rather than stardom. With the likely rotation at DT and so many quality guys vying to get onto the field, nobody need take a play off, and we may be able to wear down opposing offensive lines. We have a couple, at least with good quickness (Griffin, Lamin, Green) and some with good bulk and strength (Dukes, Dixon Jr) and Surratt. who seems to have both. At DE, we will likely have "specialists" with nobody already on board showing an edge-sealing ability combined with good penetration and pass rushing. I'm hoping Thomas comes in and is near-ready and that D Johnson is the tough playmaker at present size his HS days indicated.

Darius English is the 3rd strongest pound for pound player on the team with long arms and speed he will be the guy at DE this year, as a RS SO this is his year to burst on to the scene!

CoverTwo 06-13-2014 01:43 PM

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"We don't have the pass rusher, the guy that can just break down an offensive line and beat guys the way we have in the past," Ward said. "I feel like we have enough guys that, if they play together as a unit, we'll be fine."
Scares the shit out of me. If you don't have this in the SEC, you are meat.

Acockolypse Now 06-13-2014 02:12 PM

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Yeah, that's why I think we'll see way more blitz packages than in previous years.

ZenUSC 06-13-2014 02:18 PM

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Relax C2

qcgamecock 06-13-2014 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CoverTwo (Post 4181888)
Scares the shit out of me. If you don't have this in the SEC, you are meat.


I'm curious why you think none of the DL we have coming back fit this description? Who was this guy besides Clowney last year and the year before or the year before or the year before...? English, Dukes, Lamin, Griffith, Cooper, the Dixon brothers, Johnson, Green, Harris, Surratt, one of the Washingtons or a freshmen have no chance to be this guy or it scares you because they have not shown it up to this point? Several of those listed were highly regarded before coming to USC and have waited to get their chance, they are hungry, have been in the system for a year and should be ready to light it up come Aug.

CoverTwo 06-13-2014 02:35 PM

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"We don't have a pass rusher" being a direct quote from our coach should be unsettling to any and everybody. USC has made a living with its defensive line getting after the passer. It has allowed them to sit the other 7 guys back in a zone and play the numbers game. Now it appears like we are going to have to send extra people which leads to trouble if you don't get to the QB. The field opens up and exposes those inexperienced Corners.

Its great to have a bunch of bodies, but we don't have any producers or anyone that has shown signs of being able to get after the QB. English is really all we have and its a wait and see with him.

The Dixons and Surratt have been solid but nothing spectacular. You need guys like them but they aren't going to make a game changing play.

Dukes, Griffin, and Harris haven't done anything of note in their playing time.

Cooper is transitioning from Linebacker and hasn't been able to stay healthy.

Green has been battling injuries since he has gotten here and Washington has been battling concussions.

Johnson and Lamin are unknowns. It seems like they are a talented pair, but we gotta see some results this Fall.

Blake McClain is probably out for the year.

Thomas and Wideman are bordering unlikely to qualify. Its pretty much a win that Wideman is likely going to be able to go to FUMA.

Sawyer and Ritchie are at a JUCO.

Looking back on it, I think our staff did a poor job with Defensive End recruiting but are making it up with this current class. Whammy just needs to bridge the gap until the reinforcements get here.

cockattorney2 06-13-2014 02:48 PM

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little bit scared here, too since it was Ward saying that quote, and not just some fan, no matter how knowledgeable that fan might be. That said, it might be a bit of a psychological game too..... get those guys riled up a bit to show their stuff. AND to keep them working hard.

I must admit, I certainly do appreciate the approach of our coaching staff versus that school in the upstate.... a snowball has a better chance in hell before you'd ever hear _abo ever say he's glad the game isn't tomorrow. :)

HeadCockFan 06-13-2014 02:49 PM

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Im no expert. However, some of our failure to recruit top DEs lately may be because no one wanted to play behind Clowney and Sutton. Just a thought.

zcockz 06-13-2014 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CoverTwo (Post 4181939)
"We don't have a pass rusher" being a direct quote from our coach should be unsettling to any and everybody.

Agreed but this is not new. Anytime we are counting on a thin DE "beefing up" over the summer, or moving a recruited linebacker to DE, we are in trouble.

English got tossed around when he was in there last year. Hopefully he can hold his own this year, or as you said, it will be tough.

In my opinion, pressure will only come from numbers this year.

PageUSC 06-13-2014 02:59 PM

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It really sucks that Sawyer had to go to JUCO and likely that Thomas probably won't get in. Those 2 were physically ready to contribute.

Then add in that Ritchie didn't qualify and Wideman likely won't either and McClain is hurt. Just a shame. But Thomas and Sawyer really hurt.

I think most of our pass rush will come from English and Johnson.

sunbeam 06-13-2014 03:10 PM

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Was looking for Gerald Turner and see he was moved to fullback. Only 250 pounds or so according to gamecock central's roster. Looks like another tweener guy that isn't going to grow.

Figured he and Johnson would turn into dt's.

qcgamecock 06-13-2014 03:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CoverTwo (Post 4181939)
"We don't have a pass rusher" being a direct quote from our coach should be unsettling to any and everybody. USC has made a living with its defensive line getting after the passer. It has allowed them to sit the other 7 guys back in a zone and play the numbers game. Now it appears like we are going to have to send extra people which leads to trouble if you don't get to the QB. The field opens up and exposes those inexperienced Corners.

Its great to have a bunch of bodies, but we don't have any producers or anyone that has shown signs of being able to get after the QB. English is really all we have and its a wait and see with him.

The Dixons and Surratt have been solid but nothing spectacular. You need guys like them but they aren't going to make a game changing play.

Dukes, Griffin, and Harris haven't done anything of note in their playing time.

Cooper is transitioning from Linebacker and hasn't been able to stay healthy.

Green has been battling injuries since he has gotten here and Washington has been battling concussions.

Johnson and Lamin are unknowns. It seems like they are a talented pair, but we gotta see some results this Fall.

Blake McClain is probably out for the year.

Thomas and Wideman are bordering unlikely to qualify. Its pretty much a win that Wideman is likely going to be able to go to FUMA.

Sawyer and Ritchie are at a JUCO.

Looking back on it, I think our staff did a poor job with Defensive End recruiting but are making it up with this current class. Whammy just needs to bridge the gap until the reinforcements get here.

I think you are reading in to it wrong, it says, "the pass rusher" and I think he is referring to "Clowney" and someone stepping up to be that guy. I think we will use of different looks to send pressure from angles and Adam's is preparing the public for the change. We were 7th in the league in sacks last year, I'll bet money that we have more than 25 sacks this year. The experience at LB will vastly help improve the overall play of the DL IMO as will the experience of being with Adam's for another year.

ReadR00ster 06-13-2014 03:14 PM

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We might be better off with a 3-4 front.


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