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Spurrier_Superior_One 07-02-2014 09:17 PM

Graham Ruled TE not WR
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/r...million-070214

I don't think they got this one right Graham lines up 67% of time in a WR position, costing him 5.3 million. Oh well I was hoping that they would force the Taints to pay more to put them where they belong in the cellar.

palmettosc 07-02-2014 09:28 PM

Re: Graham Ruled TE not WR
 
What's interesting to me is they figured the point between WR and TE to be 4 yards from the tackle. That will definitely have an impact on how other teams use hybrid players like Graham.

Spurrier_Superior_One 07-02-2014 09:34 PM

Re: Graham Ruled TE not WR
 
Graham is just going to hold out, this will probably be his last season in NOLA between Breesus not saying his teammate deserved more money while he himself is sucking cap space, who by the way helps inflate his passing yards and TDs, to the front office screwing him out of money. Top to bottom just a horrible low class organization.

acejrock 07-02-2014 10:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Spurrier_Superior_One (Post 4195409)
Graham is just going to hold out, this will probably be his last season in NOLA between Breesus not saying his teammate deserved more money while he himself is sucking cap space, who by the way helps inflate his passing yards and TDs, to the front office screwing him out of money. Top to bottom just a horrible low class organization.

They franchised tagged him. Also, Brees has publicly backed Graham on this issue.

palmettosc 07-02-2014 10:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Spurrier_Superior_One (Post 4195409)
Graham is just going to hold out, this will probably be his last season in NOLA between Breesus not saying his teammate deserved more money while he himself is sucking cap space, who by the way helps inflate his passing yards and TDs, to the front office screwing him out of money. Top to bottom just a horrible low class organization.

Are you ever able to discuss something while simultaneously keeping your irrational biases out of it?

Lalli25 07-02-2014 11:18 PM

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It's the right decision. Find another WR that lines up 1/3 o the plays in a 3 point stance attached to the OL. If he cared about being a WR, than he should have made a fuss about being classified a TE in opening line ups the last couple years. The guy had no problem being voted all pro at TE.

Transmaniacon 07-02-2014 11:36 PM

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It's nice to agree with Lalli an PalmettoSC after arguing with them in separate threads. Group hug.

Lalli25 07-02-2014 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon (Post 4195474)
It's nice to agree with Lalli an PalmettoSC after arguing with them in separate threads. Group hug.

:lol:

O's for everyone.

Gamecockfanatic4 07-03-2014 06:00 AM

Re: Graham Ruled TE not WR
 
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Originally Posted by Lalli25 (Post 4195466)
It's the right decision. Find another WR that lines up 1/3 o the plays in a 3 point stance attached to the OL. If he cared about being a WR, than he should have made a fuss about being classified a TE in opening line ups the last couple years. The guy had no problem being voted all pro at TE.

completely agree how can you be a wide reciever if you stay in and block with the OL 1/3 of your plays

Spurrier_Superior_One 07-03-2014 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by acejrock (Post 4195436)
They franchised tagged him. Also, Brees has publicly backed Graham on this issue.

They franchised him doesn't mean after this season he is gone, Brees threw Graham under the bus because as long as his bank account is rolling he doesn't care unless it comes to defending the undefendable in Bountygate.

http://www.sportsworldreport.com/art...salary-cap.htm

B-G 07-03-2014 07:36 AM

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I sure do love Drew Brees, and Jimmy a Graham is one of the best TEs in the league

Flameout12 07-03-2014 08:22 AM

Re: Graham Ruled TE not WR
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Transmaniacon (Post 4195474)
It's nice to agree with Lalli an PalmettoSC after arguing with them in separate threads. Group hug.

:lol:

Gamecockman12 07-03-2014 10:25 AM

Re: Graham Ruled TE not WR
 
Graham had no problem being an All Pro TE and even calling himself a TE on Twitter. Just wanted more $$$. I definitely agree with the decision.

USCBatgirl21 07-03-2014 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gamecockman12 (Post 4195628)
Graham had no problem being an All Pro TE and even calling himself a TE on Twitter. Just wanted more $$$. I definitely agree with the decision.

That didn't help his case at all. When it was pointed out to him he quickly changed it.

crowcutta 07-03-2014 11:27 AM

Re: Graham Ruled TE not WR
 
i understand why the ruling was made because the players locked themselves into that position with the franchise tag rules but the modern receiving tight ends are essentially no different than a slot wr/outside wr. graham deserves to be paid like a top wr for what he brings to the table. as much as id like to see him get more money its something the market is eventually going to have to set rather than reclassifying his position.

ReadR00ster 07-03-2014 11:48 AM

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If you get used regularly as a TE you are a TE. A true WR never get's used as a TE.

Gamecockman12 07-03-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by USCBatgirl21 (Post 4195631)
That didn't help his case at all. When it was pointed out to him he quickly changed it.

Yep. I don't blame him for trying to get more money but he is most definitely a TE.

ReadR00ster 07-03-2014 12:27 PM

Re: Graham Ruled TE not WR
 
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Originally Posted by Spurrier_Superior_One (Post 4195398)
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/r...million-070214

I don't think they got this one right Graham lines up 67% of time in a WR position, costing him 5.3 million. Oh well I was hoping that they would force the Taints to pay more to put them where they belong in the cellar.

WR are NEVER used as TE, period.

Lalli25 07-03-2014 02:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crowcutta (Post 4195711)
i understand why the ruling was made because the players locked themselves into that position with the franchise tag rules but the modern receiving tight ends are essentially no different than a slot wr/outside wr. graham deserves to be paid like a top wr for what he brings to the table. as much as id like to see him get more money its something the market is eventually going to have to set rather than reclassifying his position.

I disagree. He would not be an elite pure WR. He is an elite TE because of the mismatch he creates there with his combo of speed and size. If he lined up wide without WRs to help get him in mismatches, he wouldn't be fast enough to be as success as a WR only. It's like saying someone wants to get DE pay, because they line up there 1/3 of the time on rundowns, even though they get their stats by being the nose guard and being an elite rusher from that position on passing downs.

crowcutta 07-03-2014 10:19 PM

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i meant from impact as pass catchers, not that its plug and play for the different positions. it goes both ways, he helps open up things for the wr's too.


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