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GarnetInChicago 07-09-2014 04:52 PM

Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
With 20 commitments already on board (and potentially a 21st coming later today) in the 2015 class, my thoughts have begun to look ahead to the 2016 class. So like with the 2015 recruiting impressions thread, it seemed to make sense to have a general discussion thread for the 2016 class.

I'll admit right up front that I haven't paid close attention yet to the 2016 class and things could change a LOT over the next year and half (obviously).

That said, given how it's shaped up so far and who we've offered, these are my early thoughts on priority targets for 2016 (going solely on offers already extended by us and excluding kids already committed elsewhere - it's impossible for me right now to consider any other prospects):

Quarterbacks -- need 1.

Brandon McIlwain (this seems to be Mangus's clear-cut, no question about it priority. There are a lot of other talented passers in the region in case we miss out, but McIlwain could be the cornerstone of this class. #106 in the Top 247 for 2016 as of the date of this posting. Plans to be an early enrollee and recruit for whoever he picks. Currently planning a Jan. or Feb. 2015 decision).


Running Backs -- need 2

Tavin Feaster (right now strongly leaning towards Clemson, but the best by far that is a reasonable target for us and presently the top ranked RB in the Top 247 and #16 overall)

Stephen Davis, Jr. (likely 4-star recruit, local, we know his dad was involved in Lattimore's decision to come here. Currently #237 in ESPN's initial top 300 rankings)

Dedrick Mills (bit of an unknown but he has early offers from us and Auburn both)

Kareem Walker (2nd ranked RB in 247's rankings right behind Feaster. Out of NJ. Not sure how reasonable a chance we have, but at least it's ground Mangus has had success in before. Obviously getting a visit is the key otherwise it's a pipe dream)


Wide Receivers -- need 3-4, with at least one of those being a big get

Brad Hawkins (A taller receiver it seems we have a legitimate shot with early. Despite being a NJ kid, he was on campus this past March for our junior day and presently shows as "warmer" only to Carolina on 247. #174 in the current Top 247)

Bryan Edwards (One of the top South Carolina in-state prospects, out of Conway. Tall, has impressed local analysts for awhile now. Looks to be an in-state battle for the time being. #227 in ESPN's initial top 300 rankings for 2016).

Divine Deablo (3/4-star kid out of NC with a good offer list early. Another tall one. #204 in ESPN's top 300. We're currently listed as "warm" by 247 for him along with 4 other schools - Clemson, UNC, Louisville, and VaTech).

Brandon Johnson (4-star Ft. Lauderdale receiver, currently showing us as the only "warm" option on 247. But 2 early CB's favoring Miami).

Larry Collins (In-state receiver from Hopkins, unrated by any of the services yet. 6'3". Has some major offers to his credit though - Clemson, USC, UNC, FSU, Virginia. Could be a guy that rises in the rankings in the future it seems.)

Darnell Salomon (Top ranked guy out of all these WR's. We appear to be outside the lead group).

Demetris Robertson (One of the top rated guys in this group. #37 overall in the Top 247. Early on it's an Alabama / UCLA battle)

Cameron Chambers (Another one of the top rated guys. From Damiere Byrd's hometown and high school, so that might help. OSU and Penn State seem to be early leaders, though.)

Keith Gavin (4-star, big and tall Florida kid that looks to be an in-state battle for now).

Scott Bracey (Listed as the #5 athlete by 247. #32 overall by ESPN. Tall, out of Virginia. If you go by the "warm" indications, we seem to be in his top 5 - along with Michigan, OSU, Penn State and VaTech. Looks like we were only his 2nd offer after Washington State, so that's likely why we're listed where we are for now.)

Tavares Chase (4-star FL receiver not seeming to name early favorites. But 4 CB predictions made at this stage - 3 to FSU, 1 to Florida).

Elijah Stove (Another one of the top guys early on. Out of Niceville, FL. Doesn't seem to list any early favorites, though Keith Neibuhr gave an early CB to Auburn on June 19 after he'd camped at Auburn on June 7).

Freddie Pinder (Unrated guy out of Miami. 2 CB's to Miami. 6'4". Clemson, Louisville, Miami are his other big offers).


Tight Ends -- need 0 - 1

Issac Nauta (Top TE in the class, #16 overall in the Top 247. Georgia kid. Being ranked that highly as a TE tells you about all you need to know. We are in his lead group, along with FSU and possibly Ole Miss).

Naseir Upshur (Philadelphia kid, 3/4 star, we do appear to be in his top 5 or 6. In both 247 and ESPN's early top overall lists. Goes to David Williams' high school and is friends with Williams)


Offensive Linemen -- need 3-5 (as always)

Javon Kinlaw (Goose Creek OT prospect (Brandon Shell, Gerald Turner), relatively new to football, big time physical specimen. 6'7" 285 lbs or so. 5 CB's to USC so far. We were his first offer. Could also be a DE.)

Drew Wilson (OG out of Bamberg (AJ Cann), #298 in ESPN's top 300, 6'3" 280 lbs)

Chandler Tuitt (4-star OG out of Sandy Creek in Georgia - Alan Knott's school)

Michal Menet (a 4-star Pennsylvania prospect GA has targeted)

Ben Cleveland (One of the top national tackles (#11 overall by 247), out of Georgia. Currently a UGA / Auburn battle).

E.J. Price (4-star OT out of Georgia. We're currently outside the top group)

Chidi Okeke-Valentine (4-star OT out of Miami. We're outside the top group)


Darius Whitfield (OG out of Alabama, #230 in ESPN's top 300)
Stephen Spanellis (OT, Maryland, 6'5" 295 lbs)
Sean Pollard (OG, NC, 6'5", 290 lbs)
Jordan Johnson (OT, out of Florida)
Devery Hamilton (Could also be a DE, 6'6" 270 lbs, out of Maryland)



Defensive Linemen -- need 3-4 DT, 1-2 DE.

Antwuan Jackson (DT. A name that should be familiar. BAW's brother. #44 in the Top 247)

Chauncey Manac (DE. A Georgia prospect that's been on the radar for a long time already. #43 in ESPN's top 300)

Nyles Pinckney (in-state South Carolina prospect. 4-star DT out of Seabrook, SC)

Dexter Lawrence (4-star DT out of NC. 6'5", 300 lbs. We appear to be in the top group)


Rashan Gary (5-star, DT out of NJ, #1 overall DT, #5 in the Top 247)
Julian Rochester (4/5 star DT from Georgia. #2 DT, #6 in the Top 247)
Derrick Brown (4-star DT from Georgia. #9 DT, #57 overall by 247)
Michail Carter (4-star DT from Georgia. #19 DT / #232 overall by 247)
Benjamin "Shug" Frazier (3/4 star DT from Georgia.)



Shavar Manuel (#1 SDE by 247, 5-star, #2 overall. Out of Tampa, FL. FSU/Miami/Bama battle at the moment)

Shane Simmons (#2 SDE by 247, #27 overall. Maryland prospect)

Janarius Robinson (#75 in ESPN's top 300. DE out of Panama City, FL. Seems to favor FSU)

Rahshaun Smith (DE. #99 in ESPN's top 300. Maryland prospect. #3 WDE by 247)

Jordan Woods (4-star DE from Florida. #176 in Top 247)
Kyree Campbell (4-star DE from VA)
Joseph Jackson (4-star DE from Miami)
Cecil Stallings (DE from Atlanta)
Julian Jones (DE from AL)
Ron Johnson (DE from NJ)



Linebackers -- need 2-4

Keion Joyner (#1 OLB by 247, a 5-star, and #7 overall by 247. Currently shows "warmer" for us along with 4 other schools - Auburn, LSU and Ohio State. Out of Havelock, NC - Pharoh Cooper and Corey Robinson. This will be a big-time battle, but out of the 4 favorites early, we have location and former teammates working on our favor.)

Tre Lamar (4-star ILB out of Georgia. #7 ILB and #199 overall by 247. Currently lists only USC and Clemson as "warm")


Lyndell Wilson (4/5 star OLB out of Alabama. Looks like an Auburn/Bama battle)
Devin Bush, Jr. (3-star OLB from Hollywood, FL. Could also be a safety)
Jamie Skalski (unrated OLB from Newnan, GA. Has some big early offers - Clemson, USC, UNC, Louisville, UCF)


Tobias Little (3-star ILB out of Atlanta)



Defensive Backs -- need 2-4, probably focusing more on safeties and 1 true corner in this class I'd guess. But they always seem to go after guys that can be trained in multiple positions anyway

Marquill Osborne (4-star CB out of NC. #26 CB and #244 overall by 247. Lists only us as "warm" at this time)

Eric Monroe (4-star Safety out of Texas. #1 S, #19 overall by 247. Lists USC, LSU and UCLA as "warm")

John Broussard (#2 CB, 29 overall by 247. From Alabama. Seems to favor LSU)
Khalil Ladler (#4 CB, #56 overall by 247. From Stone Mountain, GA, Stephenson HS)
Trayvon Mullen (#6 CB / #76 overall by 247. From Pompano Beach, FL)
Nygel Edmonds (#24 CB, #229 overall by 247. From Atlanta)
Dylan Singleton (4-star CB from Georgia. #217 overall by 247)
James Valdez (unrated CB from Santee, SC)
Tyrique McGhee (unrated Ath / CB from Georgia)


Romeo Finley (4-star safety from Florida. #223 in the Top 247)



Athletes

Jordan Fuller (#91 in the Top 247. 6'2", 190 lbs. Brother of 2012 prospect Devin Fuller, who went to UCLA, and it appears they have Jordan's ear too. Penn State says they're targeting him as a RB or WR. Plays QB for his HS team)

Kyle Davis (#195 in the Top 247. 6'3", 220 lbs. Seems pretty clear he's a receiver at the next level despite being over 220 pounds. He'd certainly be a load for a CB to deal with. Not naming any favorites. From Lawrenceville, GA)


Cedrick Wright (5'8" or 5'9", 170 lbs, out of Miami. Impressive offer list for a kid his size. Seems everyone's pursuing him as a DB . Offers include Alabama, Florida, OSU, Tennessee, etc. #108 in ESPN's top 300. Recently said Clemson is pushing hardest for him, then OSU and Bama.)

Marlon Character (3/4 star Ath / S from Atlanta)

Nate Craig (#6 overall by ESPN's top 300. Athlete from Tampa. 6'2", 198 lbs. MASSIVE offer list. Probably a WR)

sgacock 07-09-2014 04:56 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
Avery McCall?

(A lot of good work you've done, but we've been on this kid forever.)

GarnetInChicago 07-09-2014 04:59 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sgacock (Post 4198702)
Avery McCall?

(A lot of good work you've done, but we've been on this kid forever.)

McCall's got an offer and I personally like him. But from all I've read, the staff's made it abundantly clear that McIlwain is the guy for us in 2016 at QB.

uscGRAD04 07-09-2014 05:17 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
Who is the potential 21st commit coming later today?

GarnetInChicago 07-09-2014 05:33 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
I was referring to AJ Turner, but apparently that's been pushed to an announcement tomorrow.

MWard 07-09-2014 05:43 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
solid write up.

Cockypantherfan 07-09-2014 07:04 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
Thanks for the write up... This is great.

lchite4 07-09-2014 11:47 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GarnetInChicago (Post 4198724)
I was referring to AJ Turner, but apparently that's been pushed to an announcement tomorrow.


Technically you were right. Supposedly he taped his announcement with ESPN today and it will air tomorrow. I could be wrong though.


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StormOfTalons 07-10-2014 12:29 AM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lchite4 (Post 4198853)
Technically you were right. Supposedly he taped his announcement with ESPN today and it will air tomorrow. I could be wrong though.

You are correct.

Gamecockfanatic4 07-10-2014 02:21 AM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
I thought Stephen Davis Jr. was on the board as a DB?

usc1 07-10-2014 11:48 AM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
Pretty cool to see us in the top 3 for the #1 safety in the country out of Texas. I'm not sure what kind of connection we have there but it's nice to see. Probably an LSU guy though.

sgacock 07-10-2014 12:36 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GarnetInChicago (Post 4198707)
McCall's got an offer and I personally like him. But from all I've read, the staff's made it abundantly clear that McIlwain is the guy for us in 2016 at QB.


The staff cannot comment on recruits.

AtlGamecock3307 07-10-2014 03:13 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
Good read, and thanks for putting the time into it. But lets slow down a little bit. These kids are over two years from playing a college football game. A LOT will happen between now and then.

The season hasnt even started, and although we have many earlier commitments than usual and the class is filling up its not close to done. A few we have now will decommit, and we will pick up one or two that arnt even on our radar right now. Just the way it is. And some of the final class wont make it into school. Then after we see who leaves early/transfers/quits... Then lets turn our attention to the class of 2016

pitchcock 07-10-2014 04:00 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sgacock (Post 4199104)
The staff cannot comment on recruits.

You're right, they can't comment publicly.

That said, they can speak privately with "insiders".

And in the case of certain positions/coaches, Mangus tends to lock onto one guy, then move down his list if it doesn't pan out.

Got to read between the lines a bit....

sgacock 07-10-2014 04:36 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pitchcock (Post 4199208)
You're right, they can't comment publicly.

That said, they can speak privately with "insiders".

And in the case of certain positions/coaches, Mangus tends to lock onto one guy, then move down his list if it doesn't pan out.

Got to read between the lines a bit....


Rule 11.3.2.4
"It is not permissible for a recruiting service, recruiting publication or recruiting website to interview coaches 1 on 1."

13.10.2.1 Evaluations for Media, Recruiting Services
Athletics department staff members shall not evaluate or rate a prospect for news media, scoutingservices or recruiting services prior to the prospectís signed acceptance of the institutionís written
offer of admission as a student and/or written tender of financial assistance to be provided uponthe prospectís enrollment.
Members of the athletic department staff (including coaches,
current student-athletes, student assistants, etc.) are not permitted to be part of a ďpipeline.Ē


These are the lines I read between. I think our staff reads these same lines. Jerad Washington.

GarnetInChicago 07-10-2014 05:03 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlGamecock3307 (Post 4199193)
Good read, and thanks for putting the time into it. But lets slow down a little bit. These kids are over two years from playing a college football game. A LOT will happen between now and then.

The season hasnt even started, and although we have many earlier commitments than usual and the class is filling up its not close to done. A few we have now will decommit, and we will pick up one or two that arnt even on our radar right now. Just the way it is. And some of the final class wont make it into school. Then after we see who leaves early/transfers/quits... Then lets turn our attention to the class of 2016

You may wish to wait and turn your own attention to it, but the reality is that the recruiting game is moving earlier and earlier each year. It's July now and we have 20 (hopefully 21 tonight) recruits committed. To the best of my recollection, that blows out of the water the most we've had committed 6-7 months away from NSD. This time last year we already had Pittman and I believe a few others in this current group committed. You may wish for your own interests just to focus on one class at a time, but recruiting for the 2016 class is already well under way. Do you think it's a coincidence that 247 has already had its top rankings out and ESPN just released its first batch this week? Yes, some kids may decommit, numbers change, rankings shift, new prospects emerge. That doesn't change the fact that the game is already well underway for 2016 recruiting.

AtlGamecock3307 07-10-2014 05:18 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GarnetInChicago (Post 4199246)
You may wish to wait and turn your own attention to it, but the reality is that the recruiting game is moving earlier and earlier each year. It's July now and we have 20 (hopefully 21 tonight) recruits committed. To the best of my recollection, that blows out of the water the most we've had committed 6-7 months away from NSD. This time last year we already had Pittman and I believe a few others in this current group committed. You may wish for your own interests just to focus on one class at a time, but recruiting for the 2016 class is already well under way. Do you think it's a coincidence that 247 has already had its top rankings out and ESPN just released its first batch this week? Yes, some kids may decommit, numbers change, rankings shift, new prospects emerge. That doesn't change the fact that the game is already well underway for 2016 recruiting.

I see your point man I do, recruiting is speeding up. And I know the game is already underway for 2016. I guess I just think its a little crazy to start talking about the kids when they are 16-17 and most of them prob dont even have there top 5 schools in mind

GarnetInChicago 07-14-2014 12:39 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
Just read something this morning that I was wrong about being in 1 TE Isaac Nauta's lead group. I'd based our being in the lead group by 247's "warm/warmer" type indicators. It seems we are indeed in the lead group and may be right at the head of the pack with FSU. Ole Miss, UGA, Auburn and LSU are others to watch out for. He should be back on campus again this summer or in the fall for a game.

My hope is that McIlwain will decide to move up his decision timeframe even sooner (presently planning on Jan. or Feb. 2015) and start recruiting guys like Nauta even sooner (though as a PA kid, McIlwain may be more effective in recruiting the other TE, Upshur out of the northeast). McIlwain has said he plans to be an early enrollee and that he plans to be very active as a recruiter for whatever school he goes to. Speaking of McIlwain, he'll be camping at USC again this summer, so things are still looking good with him.

MWard 07-14-2014 03:06 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GarnetInChicago (Post 4201478)
Just read something this morning that I was wrong about being in 1 TE Isaac Nauta's lead group. I'd based our being in the lead group by 247's "warm/warmer" type indicators. It seems we are indeed in the lead group and may be right at the head of the pack with FSU. Ole Miss, UGA, Auburn and LSU are others to watch out for. He should be back on campus again this summer or in the fall for a game.

We are in Issac's Top 2 along with fsu. Other schools like osu, uga, auburn, clemson and ole miss have been in and out of his Top 4-5, but fsu and SC have always been at the top.

Issac really likes that Mangus is the QB and TE Coach and his lead recruiter. He'll be watching how we use our TE's this year and our depth chart at the end of the year. We are in a really good spot with him with one of our best recruiting coaches, things look good, but time will tell.

JDStud6 07-14-2014 03:56 PM

Re: Discussion: 2016 Recruiting Impressions
 
It would rock to get Isaac, but I doubt it happens. He'll probably end up at UGA. There's a lot of time before signing day so who knows.

JD


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