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Rooster'srule 08-21-2014 02:40 PM

I have not bought into our O-line hype yet
 
But this is great to read. I think Corey has had some difficult times on the line. I am hoping this year he will really shine. If he does that is a huge position of strength for Carolina.

http://www.gogamecocks.com/2014/08/2...d-to-earn.html

:woo::clap::thumbsup:

yazoo 08-21-2014 03:07 PM

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I haven't either. Waldrop was attacked by schemes devised by Clemson and Wisconsin DCs, and that disrupted several offensive plays. I know Waldrop was injured, but it looked to me as though he was also indecisive. I am hoping it was just the injury.

rrsandersjr 08-21-2014 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by yazoo (Post 4232135)
I haven't either. Waldrop was attacked by schemes devised by Clemson and Wisconsin DCs, and that disrupted several offensive plays. I know Waldrop was injured, but it looked to me as though he was also indecisive. I am hoping it was just the injury.

Waldrop was a redshirt freshman making him the least experienced lineman and he missed most of the year with an injury. He plays arguably the toughest and most important position on the line. He will be a year older, stronger and smarter and that should prove to be most beneficial.

Goofyboy 08-21-2014 03:43 PM

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There are a couple of issues in OL criticism that usually get overlooked. The "dominate" expectation just doesn't hold up in the SEC. These guys face DT's and DE's who are among the best in the country. Holding them off a high percentage of the time is rarely done by anybody. Secondly, teams like Clemson last year regularly stack the box against good running teams. That makes pass protection and running very difficult with run/pass pressure and stunting. The coaches, QB, and run/pass crew have to make them pay by exploiting what they are given. When our QB prior to Shaw was here, they pressured him with run-blitz and a stacked box often, because he had such accuracy problems. Shaw often made them pay with QB runs and middle screens. If the QB is off, playcalling is bad, or linemen are worn down, the blame is often cast at the OL. It takes a whole team effort (plus coaches) to offset a defense aimed at stopping a team's best offensive weapon. That's why UNC, ECU, etc. used their speed/wide game against our DL that was too much for their OL without stunting or linebacker pressure. I contend that the dominating OL in SEC play is more perception than reality. Anything can be schemed against if it isn't countered.

ZenUSC 08-21-2014 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofyboy (Post 4232182)
There are a couple of issues in OL criticism that usually get overlooked. The "dominate" expectation just doesn't hold up in the SEC. These guys face DT's and DE's who are among the best in the country..............................

Agreed! It ain't like the old days when OLs on the top ten teams all dominated their opponent. Just about every SEC team seems to send one DL to the pros every year. The line play in the SEC is at a very high level on both sides of the ball. You don't see many pancake blocks in the SEC because there are no pancakes on the defenses to block.

b381l 08-21-2014 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofyboy (Post 4232182)
There are a couple of issues in OL criticism that usually get overlooked. The "dominate" expectation just doesn't hold up in the SEC. These guys face DT's and DE's who are among the best in the country. Holding them off a high percentage of the time is rarely done by anybody. Secondly, teams like Clemson last year regularly stack the box against good running teams. That makes pass protection and running very difficult with run/pass pressure and stunting. The coaches, QB, and run/pass crew have to make them pay by exploiting what they are given. When our QB prior to Shaw was here, they pressured him with run-blitz and a stacked box often, because he had such accuracy problems. Shaw often made them pay with QB runs and middle screens. If the QB is off, playcalling is bad, or linemen are worn down, the blame is often cast at the OL. It takes a whole team effort (plus coaches) to offset a defense aimed at stopping a team's best offensive weapon. That's why UNC, ECU, etc. used their speed/wide game against our DL that was too much for their OL without stunting or linebacker pressure. I contend that the dominating OL in SEC play is more perception than reality. Anything can be schemed against if it isn't countered.

Good post....all things considered, the OL should be better than last year, how much better is yet to be determined. If teams stack the box against us and we can't throw to back them away from the LOS, then we're going to have a tough year. With Dylan having little experience and Mike Davis being one of the best RB in the country, we can expect to see this defense early and often. So our WR and TE are going to get singled a lot.....Dylan is going to have to be accurate early. With all the talent we have on offense, I'm going to be disappointed if we don't come close to 500 yards a game this year.

HeadCockFan 08-21-2014 09:11 PM

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Waldrop doesn't worry me as much as our tackles. They have whiffed against average ends quite a bit.

Flameout12 08-21-2014 09:50 PM

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I have not bought into our O-line hype yet
The only hype is by those that know no better. I don't expect it to be a great OL, but will be the first kid jumping up and down if they turn out to be something special.
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Originally Posted by HeadCockFan (Post 4232489)
Waldrop doesn't worry me as much as our tackles. They have whiffed against average ends quite a bit.

Yep...against smaller/quicker guys who just zipped on by. They also still struggle against a stunt or blitz....just don't see it.
But everyone does this and it's so much a part of the game today. Still, it was disappointing to see Wisconsin put on a clinic of how to block against one of the better DLs in the nation back in Jan. Better skill players won that bowl game for us.

ReadR00ster 08-21-2014 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HeadCockFan (Post 4232489)
Waldrop doesn't worry me as much as our tackles. They have whiffed against average ends quite a bit.

It's not that bad really. It seem worse because as fans we focus on the weakness of our team and not on others, but it happens to just about all teams every game. Did you see Kouandijo vs. Oklahoma last year? Sometimes the guy on the other side of the line wins, sometimes you stop them. I think we are better than average in pass protection. We should be pretty dominate in run blocking. We have experienced NFL talent at both tackle spots. That makes me optimistic.

b381l 08-21-2014 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Flameout12 (Post 4232528)
The only hype is by those that know no better. I don't expect it to be a great OL, but will be the first kid jumping up and down if they turn out to be something special.
Yep...against smaller/quicker guys who just zipped on by. They also still struggle against a stunt or blitz....just don't see it.
But everyone does this and it's so much a part of the game today. Still, it was disappointing to see Wisconsin put on a clinic of how to block against one of the better DLs in the nation back in Jan. Better skill players won that bowl game for us.

what was the score in the Wisconsin game.....I seem to have forgotten.

the coaches and all the insider experts have said our OL line will be much improved over last year. maybe you should call them and let them you know that's not going to be the case.....

henmania 08-21-2014 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by b381l (Post 4232543)
what was the score in the Wisconsin game.....I seem to have forgotten.

the coaches and all the insider experts have said our OL line will be much improved over last year. maybe you should call them and let them you know that's not going to be the case.....

I saw spurrier after spring practice, and I assure you he was not happy with our run blocking at the end of the year or in spring practice. He thought Florida and Wisky really stuffed our run. The only long run against UF was a draw where the linemen let them in...

Flameout12 08-22-2014 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by b381l (Post 4232543)
what was the score in the Wisconsin game.....I seem to have forgotten.

the coaches and all the insider experts have said our OL line will be much improved over last year. maybe you should call them and let them you know that's not going to be the case.....

That really contributed to the discussion....

b381l 08-22-2014 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by henmania (Post 4232567)
I saw spurrier after spring practice, and I assure you he was not happy with our run blocking at the end of the year or in spring practice. He thought Florida and Wisky really stuffed our run. The only long run against UF was a draw where the linemen let them in...

I haven't gone back and looked at those games, but I think both of them brought a safety up to the LOS and forced Shaw to beat them....plus Florida's defense was pretty good all year. Taters stuffed our run pretty well too. But that was last year. My original comment was that most people that have seen them during camp think the OL is much improved over last year.

b381l 08-22-2014 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Flameout12 (Post 4232639)
That really contributed to the discussion....

if you read what I said, the people that have seen them during camp said they are playing much better which has given a lot of people a reason to be optimistic about this year.....everybody but you anyway....

b381l 08-22-2014 12:42 AM

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Here are the concensus All SEC team from 7-8 CBS predictions....perhaps you'll notice 2 of our starting 5 are on the list.

SEC ALL-CONFERENCE
POS PLAYER YR SCHOOL
QB Nick Marshall Sr. Auburn
RB Todd Gurley Jr. Georgia
RB Mike Davis Jr. South Carolina
WR Amari Cooper Jr. Alabama
WR Malcome Kennedy Sr. Texas A&M
TE O.J. Howard Soph. Alabama
OT Cedric Ogbuehi Sr. Texas A&M
OT Brandon Shell Jr. South Carolina
OG A.J. Cann Sr. South Carolina

OG Vadal Alexander Jr. LSU
C Reese Dismukes Sr. Auburn
DE Dante Fowler Jr. Florida
DE Alvin Dupree Sr. Kentucky
DT A'Shawn Robinson Soph. Alabama
DT Chris Jones Soph. Mississippi State
LB Ramik Wilson Sr. Georgia
LB Trey DePriest Sr. Alabama
LB Jordan Jenkins Jr. Georgia
CB Vernon Hargeaves III Soph. Florida
CB Deshazor Everett Sr. Texas A&M
S Landon Collins Jr. Alabama
S Tony Conner Soph. Ole Miss
K Marshall Morgan Jr. Georgia
P Drew Kaser Jr. Texas A&M
KR Christion Jones Sr. Alabama
PR Marcus Murphy Sr. Missouri
All-Purpose Trey Williams Jr. Texas A&M

Aggie96 08-22-2014 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by b381l (Post 4232654)
Here are the concensus All SEC team from 7-8 CBS predictions....perhaps you'll notice 2 of our starting 5 are on the list.

SEC ALL-CONFERENCE
POS PLAYER YR SCHOOL
QB Nick Marshall Sr. Auburn
RB Todd Gurley Jr. Georgia
RB Mike Davis Jr. South Carolina
WR Amari Cooper Jr. Alabama
WR Malcome Kennedy Sr. Texas A&M
TE O.J. Howard Soph. Alabama
OT Cedric Ogbuehi Sr. Texas A&M
OT Brandon Shell Jr. South Carolina
OG A.J. Cann Sr. South Carolina
OG Vadal Alexander Jr. LSU
C Reese Dismukes Sr. Auburn
DE Dante Fowler Jr. Florida
DE Alvin Dupree Sr. Kentucky
DT A'Shawn Robinson Soph. Alabama
DT Chris Jones Soph. Mississippi State
LB Ramik Wilson Sr. Georgia
LB Trey DePriest Sr. Alabama
LB Jordan Jenkins Jr. Georgia
CB Vernon Hargeaves III Soph. Florida
CB Deshazor Everett Sr. Texas A&M
S Landon Collins Jr. Alabama
S Tony Conner Soph. Ole Miss
K Marshall Morgan Jr. Georgia
P Drew Kaser Jr. Texas A&M
KR Christion Jones Sr. Alabama
PR Marcus Murphy Sr. Missouri
All-Purpose Trey Williams Jr. Texas A&M


Well the actuals were released today... This one is the predictions from last week.
The first team SEC has only one USC guy on offense and that is Davis at RB and none on the defense team.

Then you have Cann and Robinson on the 2nd team and still none on the defensive 2nd team either.

Shell cracks in on the 3rd team Offense

b381l 08-22-2014 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Aggie96 (Post 4232659)
Well the actuals were released today... This one is the predictions from last week.
The first team SEC has only one USC guy on offense and that is Davis at RB and none on the defense team.

Then you have Cann and Robinson on the 2nd team and still none on the defensive 2nd team either.

Shell cracks in on the 3rd team Offense

thanks....I'm a little surprised Skai Moore isn't on the 2nd or 3rd team.

Aggie96 08-22-2014 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by b381l (Post 4232673)
thanks....I'm a little surprised Skai Moore isn't on the 2nd or 3rd team.

I saw the full list on Bleacher Report this morning if you are interested, but that locks up pretty hard on my laptop at work.

Coaches vote, but can't vote for their own.

SuperCockMaster 08-22-2014 03:09 AM

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I tried buying in, but all I had was five bees to a quarter.

Flameout12 08-22-2014 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by b381l (Post 4232647)
if you read what I said....

Pot calling kettle black....


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