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ZenUSC 08-24-2014 11:56 PM

The 3-4
 
We aren't the only team to be introducing this new style defense. It's not just a different formation it is a radical change in football as we know it.

It means there will be less big lineman on the field. No more will we see the typical 4 big guys on the line. It means if you want to play the interior line on defense in college football there will be less demand for your services. Speed is more important than size. Big means less now. If you're going to start on the interior D you need to be better than players were just a year ago since there are fewer job openings for the big framed DL guys and more jobs for the more agile, speedy mid size guys..

The 3-4 will also cause changes on the other side of the ball too. Offenses will be able to do different things as well as not do things they used to do.

The 3-4 is not a formation change. It is a major change to the game of football as we knew it.

GarnetSwarm1990 08-25-2014 12:06 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
We won't be running it full time. Ward's base D is a 4-2-5. The 3-4 looks will be to help with coverage's and because we have a surplus of LB's that need to see the field, and a lack of DE depth.

And if we want to get technical, if Golightly is going to be on the field as part of the LB's then technically it's a 3-3-5. Or will he go off the field to make it a true 3-4?

b381l 08-25-2014 12:19 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
The more I've read about it, the more it looks like we're going to using it. I think either Botkin or Adams said probably around 50% a few days ago.

Order 66 08-25-2014 12:23 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
Looking at our depth at DE vs DT, we had better use it at least that much.

b381l 08-25-2014 12:26 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
When we use it, we'll just remove Dixon (DT) and add BAW (starter).....all the other players stay the same......

Order 66 08-25-2014 12:33 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
Come to think of it, that's true. I guess it still get's the strength of the defense on the field.

Regalcock 08-25-2014 12:37 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by b381l (Post 4234966)
When we use it, we'll just remove Dixon (DT) and add BAW (starter).....all the other players stay the same......

I also heard that the coaches said they were pleased to find out that Deon Green could play some DE in the 3/4 also.

Carolina4Life 08-25-2014 12:40 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
I'm ok with it if it works.

ZenUSC 08-25-2014 12:41 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
The game is changing. 300lb DLs were very valuable in the old days and very rare. However, today the game has changed to more of a speed game. LBs and DBs are more suited to catching RBs and WRs. Basically the 3-4 is a 3-8. It's 3 big guys and 8 guys that can run. I wish we had had the 3-4 last year vs Tenn. It always looked like we had one too few LBs.

Order 66 08-25-2014 12:41 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
All I know is that you need more than 240 lb DE's in a 3-4 defense. Someone is going to have to draw double teams.

PageUSC 08-25-2014 12:41 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Regalcock (Post 4234976)
I also heard that the coaches said they were pleased to find out that Deon Green could play some DE in the 3/4 also.

This is true. There are alot of different personnel combinations we will use.

Also we still have the rabbits package.

ZenUSC 08-25-2014 12:49 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
The Rabbits package and the 3-4 are geared to get more speed on the field. Anotherwords Whammy isn't trying to dream up a defense with six 300lb DLs because it would be disaster. Defenses are turning away from the use of the big interior lineman.

b381l 08-25-2014 12:58 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Order 66 (Post 4234973)
Come to think of it, that's true. I guess it still get's the strength of the defense on the field.

Getting BAW on the field to either cover in space or rush the passer is an upgrade over a DT that will be mostly a run stopper.

b381l 08-25-2014 01:01 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Regalcock (Post 4234976)
I also heard that the coaches said they were pleased to find out that Deon Green could play some DE in the 3/4 also.

plus Griffin and Lamin as well....we are loaded at DT.

b381l 08-25-2014 01:03 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Order 66 (Post 4234982)
All I know is that you need more than 240 lb DE's in a 3-4 defense. Someone is going to have to draw double teams.

teams can't afford to double our DE....that leaves an uncovered BOB......that is much quicker than a DE.

JoeMorrisonLives 08-25-2014 01:04 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenUSC (Post 4234996)
The Rabbits package and the 3-4 are geared to get more speed on the field. Anotherwords Whammy isn't trying to dream up a defense with six 300lb DLs because it would be disaster. Defenses are turning away from the use of the big interior lineman.

That works for passing spread teams. Spread-power is where that doesn't work. If we play Baylor, we're gonna use 4 down linemen because you need 2 DT's of 320+ to stop their guards. You beat the HUNH with depth on the DL, you need to let your second team DL go in for probably an entire drive (because you can't sub them out and the first teamers need a break) and have them still able to contain the other teams first team OL. Baylor would lose badly to LSU for example because LSU has DL depth and big CBs that can match up against big WRs and can handle press and off man coverage. If I were to choose any D to try to stop Baylor or Auburn with, I'm not going with OK's 3-3-5, I'm going with LSU or Stanford's D, or hell, for it's versatility designed for this role exactly, our base 4-2-5.

Sir Cuss 08-25-2014 01:09 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
Not only do you need 260+ defensive ends, you need 250+ outside linebackers.

ReadR00ster 08-25-2014 03:16 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Cuss (Post 4235011)
Not only do you need 260+ defensive ends, you need 250+ outside linebackers.

You also need a 325lb Nose. If you don't have those things, you get the ball run right down your throat.

Emery 08-25-2014 10:50 AM

Re: The 3-4
 
No offense, but I can't wait for the game so all these hypothetical discussions about the new scheme can stop. I think I've read more about 3-4, 4-3, 4-2-5, 3-3-5 over the past few months than ever before. I don't care what they run as long as teams have more trouble rushing on us than they did the last few games.

zambam 08-25-2014 01:06 PM

Re: The 3-4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenUSC (Post 4234912)
We aren't the only team to be introducing this new style defense. It's not just a different formation it is a radical change in football as we know it.

It means there will be less big lineman on the field. No more will we see the typical 4 big guys on the line. It means if you want to play the interior line on defense in college football there will be less demand for your services. Speed is more important than size. Big means less now. If you're going to start on the interior D you need to be better than players were just a year ago since there are fewer job openings for the big framed DL guys and more jobs for the more agile, speedy mid size guys..

The 3-4 will also cause changes on the other side of the ball too. Offenses will be able to do different things as well as not do things they used to do.

The 3-4 is not a formation change. It is a major change to the game of football as we knew it.

the 3-4 is a new defense?
Change the game of football? What year is this?


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