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    Quote Originally Posted by cocky0 View Post
    Back at the beginning of this circus, some of us found it odd that the powers that be released the names of "finalists". I can't say I follow the appointment of university presidents very closely, but I cannot recall any time where this was done in the past here at USC. It begs the question then that if that had not happened, would there still be such a controversy over the supposed favorite in the list, the lack of diversity, or any of the other objections I've seen?

    I think that right now, whoever is selected, is in a no win situation. If it's Caslen, then the university risks losing support of faculty, students, Darla Moore, and face possible sanctions from the accrediting agencies all because the governor wanted to swing his dick around. If it's somebody else, then you have another large portion of the population who'll say he/she is an EEO hire or something else derogatory.
    They wanted input from the student body and faculty, which, as it turns out, was really really stupid.
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    I agree with Darla Moore. Start this thing over. The 4 finalists were poor choices. Good people, I'm sure, but poor choices

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekob View Post
    They wanted input from the student body and faculty, which, as it turns out, was really really stupid.

    Well they got it. lol
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    BOT elects Caslen as the next President with 11-8 vote.

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    Hopefully it all works out and he does well here.
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    Welcome back to the Dark Age of USC athletics ladies and gentlemen.
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    Welcome back to the Dark Age of USC athletics ladies and gentlemen.
    Why do you say that? Not stirring the pot, I honestly don't know that much about him.
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    What a shit show. Feels like 1989...not 2019

    Hopefully this will be the impetus to restructure the BoT.
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    The value of my diploma just plumetted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Yancey View Post
    The value of my diploma just plumetted.
    You diploma has no real value anyway. It's the knowledge you gained while in school that is valuable.

    Just sayin'.
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    Look I wasn’t for the guy, but I think the last few posts have been a little dramatic. Our athletics program isn’t going to fall in a black hole. Your degree will be just fine.

    He does have a lot of work to do and it’s an uphill climb. I saw in the BOT recommendation that he begin September 16. Beginning when classes have begun would be a mistake imo. The guy needs to be here tomorrow meeting with faculty, students, donors and others. Students loved Pastides because he was always seen/present and interacting with them. He needs to do the same. Not saying it’ll cure everything but winning over many of the students and faculty will go a long way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spurfan93 View Post
    Look I wasn’t for the guy, but I think the last few posts have been a little dramatic. Our athletics program isn’t going to fall in a black hole. Your degree will be just fine.

    He does have a lot of work to do and it’s an uphill climb. I saw in the BOT recommendation that he begin September 16. Beginning when classes have begun would be a mistake imo. The guy needs to be here tomorrow meeting with faculty, students, donors and others. Students loved Pastides because he was always seen/present and interacting with them. He needs to do the same. Not saying it’ll cure everything but winning over many of the students and faculty will go a long way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
    You diploma has no real value anyway. It's the knowledge you gained while in school that is valuable.

    Just sayin'.
    It has quite a lot of value whether you slept through class or actually studied. The reverse is true as well. I most likely would be blackballed in theater and film work now. It would be better to list no degree.
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    Just a political boondogle.
    Forget if the general is qualified (which to be clear, he is not).
    Why is Henry McMaster sticking his nose in this? And can we expect him to meddle when Clemson is looking for a new president?
    USC Upstate I believe is looking for a president, is he going to meddle there?

    Also, if USC loses it accreditation, that diploma will lose A LOT of its value.

    And the big one, money. How many top dollar donors will pull their funding over this? I expect Darla Moore to, with many others.

    This won't kill the university....but it leaves a black eye on it, and shows the BOT is just a political shi t show that can be used as a pawn in a sitting governor's game.
    Will this guy stand up to McMaster or whoever the governor is? I'm guessing no.
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    All I can say is if he oversees an athletic department here like he did at Army, we are in for some rough years.

    The biggest issue with this hire is money. How many people will pull funding in protest?
    That will be the big thing to keep an eye on.
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    So what if the general lacks a pHd. Those three stars and rack of decorations indicate a level of knowledge and intelligence greater than that possessed by your average ivory tower intellectual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Yancey View Post
    It has quite a lot of value whether you slept through class or actually studied. The reverse is true as well. I most likely would be blackballed in theater and film work now. It would be better to list no degree.
    WTF are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampFox View Post
    So what if the general lacks a pHd. Those three stars and rack of decorations indicate a level of knowledge and intelligence greater than that possessed by your average ivory tower intellectual.
    Where is the proof in that?
    Does he know how run a university like this. USC ain't West Point.

    All those stars prove is he is a successful military man. Is that best for USC?
    Instead of wondering what his qualifications are, we should know what they are.

    Outside of serving the military and leading a military academy, what makes him exception for THIS university?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosterboy View Post
    Just a political boondogle.

    Yep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roosterboy View Post
    Forget if the general is qualified (which to be clear, he is not).

    He absolutely is.

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    Why is Henry McMaster sticking his nose in this? And can we expect him to meddle when Clemson is looking for a new president?

    USC is a state agency. The Governer of SC is head of the board.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roosterboy View Post
    USC Upstate I believe is looking for a president, is he going to meddle there?

    We just slapped a "return to sender" label on the guy they loaned us.


    Quote Originally Posted by Roosterboy View Post
    Also, if USC loses it accreditation, that diploma will lose A LOT of its value.

    They're not going to lose accredidation, that's hogwash being pushed by activist faculty members.


    Quote Originally Posted by Roosterboy View Post
    And the big one, money. How many top dollar donors will pull their funding over this? I expect Darla Moore to, with many others.

    That remains to be seen, both for Darla and for others. I don't think there was as much consternation between big donors on this, it was mainly faculty and some loud students.


    Quote Originally Posted by Roosterboy View Post
    This won't kill the university....but it leaves a black eye on it, and shows the BOT is just a political shi t show that can be used as a pawn in a sitting governor's game.

    You realize that the BOT is the sole entity who is responsible for actually choosing the President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roosterboy View Post
    Will this guy stand up to McMaster or whoever the governor is? I'm guessing no.
    This remains to be seen. What will he need to stand up to McMaster for exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampFox;5356911[B
    ]So what if the general lacks a pHd[/B]. Those three stars and rack of decorations indicate a level of knowledge and intelligence greater than that possessed by your average ivory tower intellectual.
    It was a requirement for the position.
    Also, those 3 stars, while indicating ability to run the military, may not translate to running a top tier research University.

    All this to say, I think most, when they step back, will realize that they are more upset with how the process was carried out. Watching the BoT meeting this afternoon, they agreed that they were displeased with the search firm hired, and with the list of finalists provided, which is why they started the process over. Then, all of a sudden at the the Governor's request, they throw their entire plan out the window to succumb to his request. THAT is the biggest issue.
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