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    Quote Originally Posted by CockyCody View Post
    Playing basically nobody week after week sure as hell has something to do with it. Being in a shitty conference really does help. So much for strength of schedule counting for something.
    They certainly are able to rest their starters by the 4th quarter in many of the games they play, which helps prevent injury but also gives their depth actual ingame experience. Part of that is having a good team that is able to put up enough points that dumbo can empty the bench, and part of it comes from playing schools like Wake Forrest BC and Duke, as well as catching FSU in a down time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina_corpsman View Post
    They certainly are able to rest their starters by the 4th quarter in many of the games they play, which helps prevent injury but also gives their depth actual ingame experience. Part of that is having a good team that is able to put up enough points that dumbo can empty the bench, and part of it comes from playing schools like Wake Forrest BC and Duke, as well as catching FSU in a down time.
    Clemson would still be good in the SEC, but not as dominant as they are now. They can empty the bench because they're up on all those average at best ACC teams 51-17 almost every week
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    Don’t think Paul payed attention to Clemson until their first championship run in 2015. Their rise can be traced back to 2011. It wasn’t like we were beating them when they were 5-7,6-6. It was a top 15 matchup those last three years we beat them.

    We we all know what happened with recruiting. They kept recruiting elite talent and we didn’t. But another thing to me that’s kept Clemson at the top is having continuity of the coaching staff. While we were enjoying all those wins, we were losing really good assistant coaches like Shane Beamer, Jay Graham and Brad Lawing and turned out the new hires were a downgrade.
    Exactly....and having 2 elite QBs back to back was icing on their cake.
    We saw firsthand what a guy like Jadeveon could do...imagine that level of talent at QB....

    Back to Finnbaum....he's right.
    People forget that our DL dominated the taters for 5 years running and Dabo saw firsthand what he was lacking. He needed better players, especially in the trenches. Before, they had ACC talent in the trenches. They got exposed more than once...."clemsoning".

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    Quote Originally Posted by CockyCody View Post
    Playing basically nobody week after week sure as hell has something to do with it. Being in a shitty conference really does help. So much for strength of schedule counting for something.
    Let’s be honest, they aren’t the first to do this. It’s the same way Virginia Tech became an annual top 25 program. Tech played in bad big east and could coast to 10 wins a year and almost won a title with Vick. FSU became annual top 10 team in early 90’s playing a in weak ACC schedule. FSU had Florida and Miami and then joke ACC between them and a top 5 ranking. It’s an all or nothing thing though, you’re basically either top 10 or not ranked in those leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lalli25 View Post
    Let’s be honest, they aren’t the first to do this. It’s the same way Virginia Tech became an annual top 25 program. Tech played in bad big east and could coast to 10 wins a year and almost won a title with Vick. FSU became annual top 10 team in early 90’s playing a in weak ACC schedule. FSU had Florida and Miami and then joke ACC between them and a top 5 ranking. It’s an all or nothing thing though, you’re basically either top 10 or not ranked in those leagues.
    Especially now, with how the CFP has made the sport more watered down
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    I'd rather have a proctology exam from a lobster than listen to him.
    Definitely one of the better lines I have read in a while. Hats off to you, sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregoryHouse View Post
    Bout time for Clemson to return the favor to us then...

    The truth, however, is that Clemson retained competent coaches (and let the other coaches go) by paying them as top tier coaches (while also recruiting their kids) and went out and got good lines of scrimmage to go with the skill position players they were already bringing in. They understand that you need excellent lines, players willing to stay and develop in the program, the right playcallers, great facilities, and some unethical/questional tactics both on and off the field to unseat the perennial football powerhouses.
    Clemson's coaches learned about the importance of excellent lines from getting their asses kicked by us for those 5 years. Our own LOS ate their lunches and desserts each year during that run.

    It's not hard at all to understand: Clemson had young coaches that had a lot to prove, and kept working hard and kept building on the successes they achieved. They played in a weaker conference, which gave them a sort of margin for error that even with a team that could go 0-3 against FSU, UGA, USC who were clearly their toughest opponents, they could still go 9-0 most of the time against the rest, and then pull off a bowl game win, and then recruit like they are on the doorstep of playing for national titles.

    We could do the same thing in the SEC, playing against much tougher competition, and not even rate a BCS bowl. But our head coach already earned his Hall of Fame pass - he was just trying to wash off the stink of the NFL and show once again that he could still win in the SEC. It ended up being harder than he expected, but he settled for getting USC to levels we've never been before, over winning the SEC, and then called it. Swinney isn't ready to call it - he wants to win multiple national titles while Spurrier was happy to win a number of conference titles.

    So even though Spurrier took our program to it's highest achievements, and deserves all the praise for that, he actually got the program where we not only could hold our own against our in-state rival, but we were beating the shit out of them, and when they said, "OK, lets raise those stakes", Spurrier then said, "I'm done".

    Clemson's staff has been doing the exact type of dogged recruiting and building up of a PROGRAM - not just building up THEMSELVES as far as INDIVIDUAL COACHING LEGACY - that I've dreamed a South Carolina coaching staff would one day do for South Carolina before I'm dead and buried. It hasn't ever happened at USC for some 130 years of program existence. It's happened now at Clemson at least three separate times in their program history.

    I've long felt that there are people in major charge of South Carolina's athletics - that go WAAAY above Tanner and whoever the president is - that go to bed each night and say to themselves as they turn off the lights, "now don't forget, tomorrow get back to working to see that South Carolina never achieves anything in sports". It has nothing to do with any "curse". It's all about human effort and endeavor......

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    Clemson's coaches learned about the importance of excellent lines from getting their asses kicked by us for those 5 years. Our own LOS ate their lunches and desserts each year during that run.

    It's not hard at all to understand: Clemson had young coaches that had a lot to prove, and kept working hard and kept building on the successes they achieved. They played in a weaker conference, which gave them a sort of margin for error that even with a team that could go 0-3 against FSU, UGA, USC who were clearly their toughest opponents, they could still go 9-0 most of the time against the rest, and then pull off a bowl game win, and then recruit like they are on the doorstep of playing for national titles.

    We could do the same thing in the SEC, playing against much tougher competition, and not even rate a BCS bowl. But our head coach already earned his Hall of Fame pass - he was just trying to wash off the stink of the NFL and show once again that he could still win in the SEC. It ended up being harder than he expected, but he settled for getting USC to levels we've never been before, over winning the SEC, and then called it. Swinney isn't ready to call it - he wants to win multiple national titles while Spurrier was happy to win a number of conference titles.

    So even though Spurrier took our program to it's highest achievements, and deserves all the praise for that, he actually got the program where we not only could hold our own against our in-state rival, but we were beating the shit out of them, and when they said, "OK, lets raise those stakes", Spurrier then said, "I'm done".

    Clemson's staff has been doing the exact type of dogged recruiting and building up of a PROGRAM - not just building up THEMSELVES as far as INDIVIDUAL COACHING LEGACY - that I've dreamed a South Carolina coaching staff would one day do for South Carolina before I'm dead and buried. It hasn't ever happened at USC for some 130 years of program existence. It's happened now at Clemson at least three separate times in their program history.

    I've long felt that there are people in major charge of South Carolina's athletics - that go WAAAY above Tanner and whoever the president is - that go to bed each night and say to themselves as they turn off the lights, "now don't forget, tomorrow get back to working to see that South Carolina never achieves anything in sports". It has nothing to do with any "curse". It's all about human effort and endeavor......
    For a long time, the school was just okay with being .500 and accepted the status quo, but I think that is changing. Look at how much money we have put into the stadium and the new facilities. For the first time in a while, we have a young head coach who wants to be here and has shown early success and not one who is just using USC as their final rest stop. People need to give Muschamp time. With what he was given, he has pretty much done everything that has been asked. The games against UK are an issue, but who could have predicted that UGA and Clemson would ever be this good at the same time? It even took Dabo a while to get things going up there.
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    So does Alabama. Look how many time Tua played the 4th quarter against SEC teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConwayGamecock View Post
    But our head coach already earned his Hall of Fame pass - he was just trying to wash off the stink of the NFL and show once again that he could still win in the SEC. It ended up being harder than he expected, but he settled for getting USC to levels we've never been before, over winning the SEC, and then called it. Swinney isn't ready to call it - he wants to win multiple national titles while Spurrier was happy to win a number of conference titles.

    So even though Spurrier took our program to it's highest achievements, and deserves all the praise for that, he actually got the program where we not only could hold our own against our in-state rival, but we were beating the shit out of them, and when they said, "OK, lets raise those stakes", Spurrier then said, "I'm done". ....
    Steve Spurrier is and was exactly what he was when we hired him: a former great QB who became a offensive genius for a while and was one of the top game day coaches in the game. He also got old and the modern recruiting game left him in the dust.
    I don't think anyone expected us to win a NC when he was hired....but we were expecting big things and eventually got it.
    He was not a great program builder, and people like you seem to forget some of the particulars of HBC's tenure in light of what the taters have done recently.
    The question about how much longer HBC was going to be here got very old.... "4-5" years and hounded our recruiting for years. He was almost 70 when he exited....how old is Swinney?

    Hate on our former coaches if you want, but the taters are that blind hog that found the golden acorn. Swinney is a program builder and it doesn't matter what kind of X's & O's he knows, he's smart enough to know how to recruit, hire good coaches, and energize an athletic dept to fully embrace his agenda.

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    A shallow, ten word answer to explain a complex, layered issue. Sounds just like PF and the whole ESPN operation.

    Also fits is core listener. Smart enough to turn on a radio and dial a phone, but too stupid to to know a bloviated tal talking head attempting to stay relevant and keep people listening.
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    Many people seemed to have forgotten the UNC and Saunders recruiting investigation that led to probation for USC from 2013-15. We, as usual, went beyond NCAA expectations and restricted our recruiting during those years. Spurrier wasn't concerned and compounded the issue with his attitude toward recruiting and his faith in his new recruiting coordinator who seemed to share that the good players would invite themselves to Columbia.

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    A lot of great points as to why Dabo has elevated his program and ours has went in the other direction for awhile now, albeit that Coach Muschamp and his staff are doing a great job of recruiting and building depth, the damage was a lot greater than many of us knew at the time of SOS departure. Coach Spurrier's leaving our program in shambles is the subject of another thread as there would be so much to say. I do wonder about these two questions that I have heard raised for the last several years about Clemson and USC. First is the fact that Clemson is in the middle of nowhere. They don't have much in the way of holding a young man's attention to things outside of football. A lot of people think that there are "under-handed things going on there to allow them to get the better players and keep them for four years now"??? I do know that the NCAA is almost a do-nothing institution that is sort of like our Federal Government and pretty much screws up everything that they got involved with anymore. The second item is the fact that we have two "African-American Coordinators", who are not only highly deserving of their positions, but are the only two in the Power 5 Conferences and are on the same team. With the vast majority of college players now being African-American and also the fact that we have really updated our facilities to where we don't take a seat to anyone anymore, this has to help us in our recruiting as Coach T-Rob and Coach B-Mac are not only great coaches for their side of the football, but both of these men are outstanding individuals who relate to the young players of today. To me this is a huge advantage for us that hardly anyone speaks about. In my humble opinion, these two coaches are going to have a lot to do with our future success on the football field due to the high level of professionalism that they both bring to USC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreammachine View Post
    A lot of great points as to why Dabo has elevated his program and ours has went in the other direction for awhile now, albeit that Coach Muschamp and his staff are doing a great job of recruiting and building depth, the damage was a lot greater than many of us knew at the time of SOS departure. Coach Spurrier's leaving our program in shambles is the subject of another thread as there would be so much to say. I do wonder about these two questions that I have heard raised for the last several years about Clemson and USC. First is the fact that Clemson is in the middle of nowhere. They don't have much in the way of holding a young man's attention to things outside of football. A lot of people think that there are "under-handed things going on there to allow them to get the better players and keep them for four years now"??? I do know that the NCAA is almost a do-nothing institution that is sort of like our Federal Government and pretty much screws up everything that they got involved with anymore. The second item is the fact that we have two "African-American Coordinators", who are not only highly deserving of their positions, but are the only two in the Power 5 Conferences and are on the same team. With the vast majority of college players now being African-American and also the fact that we have really updated our facilities to where we don't take a seat to anyone anymore, this has to help us in our recruiting as Coach T-Rob and Coach B-Mac are not only great coaches for their side of the football, but both of these men are outstanding individuals who relate to the young players of today. To me this is a huge advantage for us that hardly anyone speaks about. In my humble opinion, these two coaches are going to have a lot to do with our future success on the football field due to the high level of professionalism that they both bring to USC.
    Great points...in regards to Muschamp...he is clearly bringing in better players.

    The problem is, as always, when Carolina brings in a top 15 class, the top half of the SEC is bringing in higher classes.

    Compound that with having two programs vying on the national scene in Georgia and Clemson, and it is difficult to bring those national level guys to Columbia...and with MAck Brown going to UNC, expect to see them increase their presence at home as they look to keep the state's best home (ie Myles Murphy, Desmond Evans, Payton Page (2021)).

    You throw all that together, and you get an idea of the challenge facing this staff. The roster has now been flipped thankfully, and now the focus is on continuing to bring in high-level prospects (Alex Huntley, Jordan Burch), finding those under the radar targets and developing that talent.

    We unfortunately won't see it this year (likely), and will have to survive a 6-6 season...but hang with it and see what happens in 2020...that team I think will have the capability to get an 8-9 win season.
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    All great points on Clemson's rise.

    1- Dabo is a great salesman...even if he is selling cow sh it.
    2- Staff continuity, making a great hire in Venables and getting a little lucky with their OC hires.
    3- Dabo saw where his team was lacking...on the defensive line and he went out and found players to upgrade (Lawrence, Wilkins, Bryant, Ferrell) and appears to be continuing that (Bresee, Murphy, Capehart).
    4- Got two elite QB prospects in a short time (Watson, Lawrence) and is likely getting a third in 2020 class (I'm not as high on him, but he is still very good).
    5- He came along when both Georgia and South Carolina had coaches at the end of their tenures.
    6- Clemson benefits from a weak conference....a down FSU, VT, Miami...and are simply athletically better than the rest of the conference (GT's growth could be interesting in such a fertile recruiting area).

    7- Finally, give them credit...they won the big 1, twice. I hate to say it, but they beat Alabama. I know there was a lot behind the scenes at Bama with those two games...but Clemson won, full stop.
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    Going back to my previous post about Clem&Son being pretty much in the middle of nowhere and with these young men today - being put into the spotlight - they all desire and want to go somewhere there is fun things to do for young men of this age. How can you go out and continue to get Top 5 Star Recruits year in and year out at this place??? Even Paul Finnbaum has his little trio of announcers have all debated he same thing about the geographical location of Pickens County Tech versus the many other great college university towns to go and play at, in other words Paul Finnbaum and his cohorts on his show all agree and wonder how Dabo does it and keeps them in school for 4 years??? When you see schools that suddenly start "out recruiting the best and traditional powers of the Big 5 Power Conferences there has to be something else going on that helps give Dabo his edge??? Granting playing in the "A-She-She" certainly does help your health and depth of your better players. Playing Weak Forrest, Duke, GA Tech, and the other weak sisters versus having to play Auburn, Georgia, LSU, Florida, Kentucky, Miss St, Alabama - week in and week out does really give you and advantage. That's why Coach Bobby Bowden, who could have easily joined the SEC - left us at the altar to go after the weaker "A-She-She" in order to be in pretty good shape come play-off time. These were basically the words of Coach Bowden at the time. If Dabo and the Taters played 8 game SEC schedule each season - they would not go undefeated and their roster would take a beating by play-off time. Granted Dabo has done pretty good at beating some SEC Teams - Auburn - Bama - LSU - and of course USC regularly the last five years.

    My other point would be to go back and look at these very good O/C & D/C - that Coach Muschamp has put together on his coaching staff. The only two African-American Coordinators in the Power 5 Conferences now. This should really be a great recruiting asset for USC as these two outstanding coaches can relate and show any future potential four or five star player that not only did they produce during their playing days, but they have become respected in the coaching circles now because of their outstanding coaching abilities and outstanding character. To me with the vast majority of players being African-American - this should not only make their parents look hard at USC, but also their kids that come here looking for a solid place to spend the next four years of their life. Coach Muschamp did not go out and find two African-American Coaches to put on his staff - Coach Muschamp pick two outstanding men who are well respected around the SEC and could coach for any team in any conference - they just happen to be African-American and USC is very lucky to have these two fine gentleman on our coaching staff and I just can't help for the life of me think that they this should be an outstanding plus for our recruiting and it seems as though it is never mentioned by news outlets and you know the other teams we recruit against are not going to mention that Coach Muschamp was a genius for finding these two great coordinators and give them both the opportunity to help USC rebuild our football team. What say the Gamecock Nation about these two great coordinators that we have and the added plus it gives or should give us in recruiting on both sides of the ball?

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