NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.

ColaCock · 03-08-2013, 09:02 AM

Plus a 15 yard penalty.

Now, I am all for player safety. However, this past season proved that the referees are not able to accurately call this penalty correctly. We are going to rely on this same judgment for the ejection of a player from a game?

Totally the wrong way to handle it.

davidmc467 · 03-08-2013, 09:08 AM

The refs are able to use instant replay to review the ejection.

It is still a stupid rule, but at least they put the review in it.

usc1 · 03-08-2013, 09:11 AM

I don't think I can trust then even with the review.

uscsandstorm85 · 03-08-2013, 12:02 PM

Instant replay will not increase the accuracy. This rule needs a solid line that the refs have to go by when making a decision. The problem with this rule is every ref has a different view of what's above the shoulders, leading with the helmet, what constitutes a defenseless player, ect. While they have guidelines about those situations, there is still to much room for personal perception of what happened.

Next Year · 03-08-2013, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by uscsandstorm85

Instant replay will not increase the accuracy. This rule needs a solid line that the refs have to go by when making a decision. The problem with this rule is every ref has a different view of what's above the shoulders, leading with the helmet, what constitutes a defenseless player, ect. While they have guidelines about those situations, there is still to much room for personal perception of what happened.

same thing with trying to interpret 1st downs...it is just too difficult

ReadR00ster · 03-08-2013, 12:19 PM

I don't think it's fair that they don't take into account that the defender might be a lot taller than "defenseless" offensive player, like Clowney and Vincent Smith (albeit not a defenseless player in that case.)

2000grad · 03-08-2013, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ReadR00ster

I don't think it's fair that they don't take into account that the defender might be a lot taller than "defenseless" offensive player, like Clowney and Vincent Smith (albeit not a defenseless player in that case.)

1. Clowney hit was not helmet to helmet
2. Clowney hit was not above the shoulders

ReadR00ster · 03-08-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 2000grad

1. Clowney hit was not helmet to helmet
2. Clowney hit was not above the shoulders

the top of Clowney's helmet hit Smith's facemask. That helmet does fly off otherwise. The reason why it's not a penalty is because he is not a defenseless player, he is a ball-carrier.

2000grad · 03-08-2013, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ReadR00ster

the top of Clowney's helmet hit Smith's facemask.

No way. He just got drilled. I just re-watched it in slow motion from 3 different angles.

Now, unless you take the slant that when Smith go drilled, his chest caved in and caused his helmet to bend down and hit on top of Clowney's then, physically speaking, I can buy that. What I meant was the Clowney, in no way, initiated that hit with his helmet. That was a text book pop and wrap tackle

ReadR00ster · 03-08-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 2000grad

No way. He just got drilled. I just re-watched it in slow motion from 3 different angles

The helmet flew like ten yards, use some common sense. That helmet can not do that just by hitting the player. You can't literally knock someone out of their socks. It's been disproven by mythbusters.

FanofCarolina1 · 03-08-2013, 12:46 PM

I still can't believe the hit on Cunningham in the Vandy game, yet that guy wasn't ejected.

But DJ's hit caused him to be ejected.

Maybe the instant replay on this will be a good thing. We'll see.

StretfordEnd · 03-08-2013, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FanofCarolina1

I still can't believe the hit on Cunningham in the Vandy game, yet that guy wasn't ejected.

But DJ's hit caused him to be ejected.

Maybe the instant replay on this will be a good thing. We'll see.

+1

I love how the defender for Alabama was able to absolutely level Aaron Murray, yet nothing happened to him.

ReadR00ster · 03-08-2013, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FanofCarolina1

I still can't believe the hit on Cunningham in the Vandy game, yet that guy wasn't ejected.

But DJ's hit caused him to be ejected.

Maybe the instant replay on this will be a good thing. We'll see.

Swearinger was not ejected, he was suspended for the next game after fulll review, which would be a better policy for the NCAA to implement.

BornCocky'86 · 03-08-2013, 12:47 PM

The game we love is slowly fading away.
Only on the most egregious plays should ejections occur

Seriously, c'mon man.

StretfordEnd · 03-08-2013, 12:56 PM

The rule and the penalty are both stupid.

usc90grad · 03-08-2013, 01:07 PM

Going to ruin the game like the NFL is.

2000grad · 03-08-2013, 01:16 PM

If a guy leads with his helmet, yes, he should be ejected but I have no problem with them not being allowed a substitute for the ejected player. Dangerous play and all

ReadR00ster · 03-08-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 2000grad

If a guy leads with his helmet, yes, he should be ejected but I have no problem with them not being allowed a substitute for the ejected player. Dangerous play and all

Not being allowed substitute for the ejected player? What does that mean 10 on 11 football like in soccer? I hope not, because that would really stupid.

2000grad · 03-08-2013, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ReadR00ster

Not being allowed substitute for the ejected player? What does that mean 10 on 11 football like in soccer? I hope not, because that would really stupid.

Why?

ReadR00ster · 03-08-2013, 03:39 PM

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Why?

What do you mean why? Because it would ruin the dang game. A team with 10 players can't beat a team with 11 players. Football is an 11 on 11 game.

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davidmc467 Little Engine That Could Male Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Chapin, SC Posts: 3,412 CockyCash: 500	Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection. The refs are able to use instant replay to review the ejection. It is still a stupid rule, but at least they put the review in it. __________________

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usc1 Class of 2013 Male Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Columbia Posts: 12,029 CockyCash: 100087355	Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection. I don't think I can trust then even with the review. __________________

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uscsandstorm85 Game MVP Male Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Anywhere USC is playing. Posts: 1,523 CockyCash: 500	Re: NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection. Instant replay will not increase the accuracy. This rule needs a solid line that the refs have to go by when making a decision. The problem with this rule is every ref has a different view of what's above the shoulders, leading with the helmet, what constitutes a defenseless player, ect. While they have guidelines about those situations, there is still to much room for personal perception of what happened. __________________ "I don't know. I sort of always liked playing them that second game because you could always count on them having two or three key players suspended."-S. Spurrier on scheduling changes in the sec.

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