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Old 12-09-2013, 05:45 PM   #1
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This doesn't really have to do with football.


This question has bothered me for years...can anyone tell me why that piece of Michigan jutting out from northern Wisconsin isn't apart of Wisconsin?

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I'll ask my boss when he gets in tomorrow. He's from Michigan (a Sparty).
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That's where 'yoopers' live, don't ya know?! Yah, sure! You betcha!
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It goes back to the Toledo War. In a nutshell...the strip of land that borders Michigan in Northern Ohio was given to Ohio and in return Michigan got the UP (Upper Peninsula). The federal government thought that it was a "sterile region on the shores of Lake Superior destined by soil and climate to remain forever a wilderness." Soon after mineral deposits were discovered and the total amount of revenue from the UP of Michigan from those mines surpassed what California kicked out during the gold rush.

The part of the UP that sits directly above Wisconsin identifies closer with Wisconsin than it does Michigan. Tons of Packer fans up there. Once you get farther east the sports allegiances start to become more muddled. Tom Izzo and Steve Mariucci are both from the UP.

If you are intrigued by UP culture track down a copy of the movie "Escanaba In Da Moonlight." It's a movie about deer camp and might not translate that well outside of the upper midwest but for those who are from Northern Wisconsin, Minnesota, the UP, etc. it is one of the funniest movies ever made.
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It goes back to the Toledo War. In a nutshell...the strip of land that borders Michigan in Northern Ohio was given to Ohio and in return Michigan got the UP (Upper Peninsula). The federal government thought that it was a "sterile region on the shores of Lake Superior destined by soil and climate to remain forever a wilderness." Soon after mineral deposits were discovered and the total amount of revenue from the UP of Michigan from those mines surpassed what California kicked out during the gold rush.

The part of the UP that sits directly above Wisconsin identifies closer with Wisconsin than it does Michigan. Tons of Packer fans up there. Once you get farther east the sports allegiances start to become more muddled. Tom Izzo and Steve Mariucci are both from the UP.

If you are intrigued by UP culture track down a copy of the movie "Escanaba In Da Moonlight." It's a movie about deer camp and might not translate that well outside of the upper midwest but for those who are from Northern Wisconsin, Minnesota, the UP, etc. it is one of the funniest movies ever made.
Nice! The movie would probably play pretty well here as deer hunting is pretty much a right of passage, and your deer camp may be analogous to hunt clubs down here (I don't hunt, personally). My father talked of pheasant and bear hunting in SStM when we lived in Pontiac, MI.
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If you are intrigued by UP culture track down a copy of the movie "Escanaba In Da Moonlight." It's a movie about deer camp and might not translate that well outside of the upper midwest but for those who are from Northern Wisconsin, Minnesota, the UP, etc. it is one of the funniest movies ever made.
Or pick up a copy of Misery Bay, one of a series of mystery novels by Steve Hamilton which are set on the UP. The weather, culture, and the setting in general is a key plot elements in his novels. Fun reads.
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I watched that movie a while back, and had no idea it was about the UP of Michigan, just watched it as a comedy about hunting. It wasn't the funniest thing I've ever seen, but I'm not asking for my 2 hours back or anything. I would think if you weren't a hunter you might though.
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Is the UP part of the Cheesehead culture. I can't imagine how cold it is up there.
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I watched that movie a while back, and had no idea it was about the UP of Michigan, just watched it as a comedy about hunting. It wasn't the funniest thing I've ever seen, but I'm not asking for my 2 hours back or anything. I would think if you weren't a hunter you might though.
It's regional humor. If you are unfamiliar with the UP or northern Wisconsin it won't be as funny. In many ways it's not a comedy about hunting as much as it is a film about a unique regional subculture.

Even in Wisconsin there are quirky regional differences. The ties that bind are beer, Packers, beer, cheese, beer, sausage, beer, and beer. The southern part of the state is different than the northern part of the state. As a former governor once said; "Madison is 30 square miles surrounded by reality."

If you are going to the bowl game brace yourselves. You won't run into a fan base with the propensity to drink like Badger fans.

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It's regional humor. If you are unfamiliar with the UP or northern Wisconsin it won't be as funny. In many ways it's not a comedy about hunting as much as it is a film about a unique regional subculture.

Even in Wisconsin there are quirky regional differences. The ties that bind are beer, Packers, beer, cheese, beer, sausage, beer, and beer. The southern part of the state is different than the northern part of the state. As a former governor once said; "Madison is 30 square miles surrounded by reality."

If you are going to the bowl game brace yourselves. You won't run into a fan base with the propensity to drink like Badger fans.

Lewis Black sums it up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m-cQin1qKE
I like beer, cheese, and sausage. You can keep the packers though.
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You can keep the packers though.
Why do you hate Sterling Sharpe and Robert Brooks? Kidding...

If you like the Packers, hate the Packers, or are indifferent about them attending a Packer home game is on the bucket list of any true football fan. Games in Green Bay have a college game feel to them moreso than many FBS games do.

I prefer games at Camp Randall over games at Lambeau though. Badger games are not just about the game...it's a day long event/party with a football game somewhere in between. The atmosphere in Madison is as good as you'll find for a college town. Scott Van Pelt agrees:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DchbLXhIt8M

Addressing other things in this thread but not quoting them...

Algoma is alright. Towns like that are a dime a dozen in the Badger state but Algoma is on the big pond so that scores it some points.

The UW marching band is a source of pride. They have run into some trouble in the past as a result of their shenanigans but they have their unique style. Prior to the Barry Alvarez era people would go to football games to watch the band instead of the football game...because the Don Morton era (coach just before Alvarez) was horri-awful-able. One half time show during those years included some circus animals and an elephant took a dump on the field at Camp Randall. The elephant crapping on the field was one of the top three or four highlights of the entire season. So people would stay to watch the band and their 5th Quarter performance.

Husker Du, Replacements, Morris Day and the Time, etc...yeah, all good but they are from Minnesota. 15 miles away or not they are still in Minnesota. Wisconsin and Minnesota are like two countries separated by the same language. Minnesota is an old Indian Word for "shitty football." Those bastards are delusional over there.

Leinie's is decent...I drink enough of it...but it's not the only quality brewery in the state. A few years back Schlitz brought back their classic recipe from the 60's and it's good stuff. When they went away from that recipe it turned into crap and Schlitz gained a negative reputation. If you head to Orlando look around for someone with Spotted Cow which is made by the New Glarus brewing company and trade a first born child for it. You'll be glad you did.
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Why do you hate Sterling Sharpe and Robert Brooks? Kidding...

If you like the Packers, hate the Packers, or are indifferent about them attending a Packer home game is on the bucket list of any true football fan. Games in Green Bay have a college game feel to them moreso than many FBS games do.

I prefer games at Camp Randall over games at Lambeau though. Badger games are not just about the game...it's a day long event/party with a football game somewhere in between. The atmosphere in Madison is as good as you'll find for a college town. Scott Van Pelt agrees:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DchbLXhIt8M

Addressing other things in this thread but not quoting them...

Algoma is alright. Towns like that are a dime a dozen in the Badger state but Algoma is on the big pond so that scores it some points.

The UW marching band is a source of pride. They have run into some trouble in the past as a result of their shenanigans but they have their unique style. Prior to the Barry Alvarez era people would go to football games to watch the band instead of the football game...because the Don Morton era (coach just before Alvarez) was horri-awful-able. One half time show during those years included some circus animals and an elephant took a dump on the field at Camp Randall. The elephant crapping on the field was one of the top three or four highlights of the entire season. So people would stay to watch the band and their 5th Quarter performance.

Husker Du, Replacements, Morris Day and the Time, etc...yeah, all good but they are from Minnesota. 15 miles away or not they are still in Minnesota. Wisconsin and Minnesota are like two countries separated by the same language. Minnesota is an old Indian Word for "shitty football." Those bastards are delusional over there.

Leinie's is decent...I drink enough of it...but it's not the only quality brewery in the state. A few years back Schlitz brought back their classic recipe from the 60's and it's good stuff. When they went away from that recipe it turned into crap and Schlitz gained a negative reputation. If you head to Orlando look around for someone with Spotted Cow which is made by the New Glarus brewing company and trade a first born child for it. You'll be glad you did.
Cool stuff. Don't forget that we know what a spectacle college football is. We're in the south ;)
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You forgot to mention "beer"!


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It's regional humor. If you are unfamiliar with the UP or northern Wisconsin it won't be as funny. In many ways it's not a comedy about hunting as much as it is a film about a unique regional subculture.

Even in Wisconsin there are quirky regional differences. The ties that bind are beer, Packers, beer, cheese, beer, sausage, beer, and beer. The southern part of the state is different than the northern part of the state. As a former governor once said; "Madison is 30 square miles surrounded by reality."

If you are going to the bowl game brace yourselves. You won't run into a fan base with the propensity to drink like Badger fans.

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It's regional humor. If you are unfamiliar with the UP or northern Wisconsin it won't be as funny. In many ways it's not a comedy about hunting as much as it is a film about a unique regional subculture.

Even in Wisconsin there are quirky regional differences. The ties that bind are beer, Packers, beer, cheese, beer, sausage, beer, and beer. The southern part of the state is different than the northern part of the state. As a former governor once said; "Madison is 30 square miles surrounded by reality."

If you are going to the bowl game brace yourselves. You won't run into a fan base with the propensity to drink like Badger fans.

Lewis Black sums it up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m-cQin1qKE
Deep seated hatred of the Chicago Bears probably qualifies as a tie that binds. As a Chicagoan, and having only spent the last two years of high school in Wisconsin before college, I have to confess that I root for the Bears. Which is only a little less pointless than rooting for the Cubs, unfortunately.
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Watch How the States Got Their Shapes on the History Channel. They did a piece about this.
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There's always this little slice of weirdness as well:

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This one, too. Done by a drunken Swede with an Etch-A-Sketch...

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LOL that yuppie canadian territory.. lol idk honest. .been wondering this myself
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Wisconsin were too much wussies to take it from Michigan.
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This is The Yooper's opus IMHO. "It's The Second Week of Deercamp'. Though "Gramma Got Run Over By A Reindeer" isn't horrible.


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