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Old 12-25-2013, 07:40 PM   #1
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Default One and done has killed college basketball

The one and done means the best players can continue to go to Kentucky,UNC,Duke,Louisville and other powerhouses without having the possibility of sitting on the bench. The best players from Kentucky leave after one year and the best just sign on for the next and the cycle begins again. If players had to wait until after their junior years, players would be more likely to go to other schools for early playing time. If they don't have to wait then the national powerhouses just reload year after year and other schools just have to go after leftovers. Not good for us....
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Old 12-25-2013, 07:52 PM   #2
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Also, the talent enterin the NBA wouldn't be so watered down if kids played college ball for three years.
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Old 12-25-2013, 07:56 PM   #3
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Default Re: One and done has killed college basketball

Most college basketball fans follow one of those teams though, so most people are good with the current situation. I agree it would be more fun if top talent would spread out a bit, but there are always teams of no name upperclassmen ranked in the top ten. Wisconsin has been good for a while with not many burger boys. South Carolina isn't able to outrecruit UK or Florida, so we need to build a program off of a scheme and a coach. We are screwed if Frank Martin's vision is not realized in 2 years.
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Old 12-25-2013, 07:58 PM   #4
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How'd Kentucky do last year ?
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Old 12-25-2013, 09:40 PM   #5
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College Basketball needs a 3 year rule.
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Old 12-25-2013, 10:08 PM   #6
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College Basketball needs a 3 year rule.
This will never happen again, basketball is a totally different game than football. Bodies develop at younger ages now for basketball compared to football. As gifted as JDVC was in high school, NFL teams would not have taken him. Football bodies need that time to develop. Basketball is totally different physically. A player can get away with being on the skinny side if he can run, jump out of the gym and stroke the net. I think doing away with the one and done and letting kids go straight to the NBA again would help us. All of these Kentucky and UNC and Duke players wouldn't go to college, the majority would just toss their name in the NBA and their would be more of a pool to choose from player and talent wise for those players who wouldn't go to the NBA and those players in a bigger pool would be closer in talent with all the leftover talent and help us get some players who would be just as good as players who go to Kentucky, UNC, Duke and Kansas.
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:59 AM   #7
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This will never happen again, basketball is a totally different game than football. Bodies develop at younger ages now for basketball compared to football. As gifted as JDVC was in high school, NFL teams would not have taken him. Football bodies need that time to develop. Basketball is totally different physically. A player can get away with being on the skinny side if he can run, jump out of the gym and stroke the net. I think doing away with the one and done and letting kids go straight to the NBA again would help us. All of these Kentucky and UNC and Duke players wouldn't go to college, the majority would just toss their name in the NBA and their would be more of a pool to choose from player and talent wise for those players who wouldn't go to the NBA and those players in a bigger pool would be closer in talent with all the leftover talent and help us get some players who would be just as good as players who go to Kentucky, UNC, Duke and Kansas.
I'm sorry but kids who are 18-19 entering the NBA cannot bang with the bigger players. Think of low post players going up against someone like Dwight Howard or Zach Randolph. I think it is just as important for them to develop. It should be a minimum of two years to stay in college basketball.
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Default Re: One and done has killed college basketball

Well I am NOT a fan of the NBA, and I don't care to watch those games. I love College basketball games instead. I do agree that if a player is recruited by a school, the basketball student athlete should stay for three years like football players do. The NBA game is not good to watch anymore for me. You are right its watered down!
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They need to go back to letting them turn pro out of high school. If they go to college they need to stay for at least 3 years.
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Default Re: One and done has killed college basketball

The 1 year rule is the DUMBEST rule in sports. 99% of basketball players could care less about any kind of academics. Making them go to school is pointless, but only require 1 year is a complete waste of everyones time. They don't accomplish anything academically. Why not split it down the middle between 1 and 3 and require 2. Require them to take money management classes as part of their course load so that they don't spend every dime of their rookie contract the first year and understand what's required of them financially after they leave school.

The NCAA has a responsibility to student athletes in helping set them up for a successful future. Only requiring them to go one year does nothing at all for any of those kids.

I understand about basketball and football being different but setting young athletes up for failure after athletics does nobody any good.
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Old 12-25-2013, 11:04 PM   #11
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They need to go back to letting them turn pro out of high school. If they go to college they need to stay for at least 3 years.
This is perfect.

I'm still a big believer that scheme and coach can and will continue to be a big factor as well (i.e. Butler, VCU, etc...) but overall, the powerhouse schools will continue to dominate because most of those top recruits could give a shit about a college edumacation.

Karma bites them in the ass, though, when most of them turn out to be flops after their one year in college anyway.

Those top kids that go to UNC & Duke typically stay a few years, don't they?
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Old 12-26-2013, 04:46 PM   #12
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Disagree. The attention will just focus down to the high school level and you will have players transferring to dynasty high schools and the NCAAs will become irrelevant. Sort of a JV league. That's why they require the 1 year commitment.
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Disagree. The attention will just focus down to the high school level and you will have players transferring to dynasty high schools and the NCAAs will become irrelevant. Sort of a JV league. That's why they require the 1 year commitment.
It was like that for years where players could turn pro right out of high school. If they went to college they had to stay for 3 years. I think it worked much better than the current situation.
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It was like that for years where players could turn pro right out of high school. If they went to college they had to stay for 3 years. I think it worked much better than the current situation.
I agree it should be just like college baseball. You have a chance to go pro but if u decide on college then you should have to be removed from hs for 3yrs before going pro.
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2 years would be better than this. It was always a bad idea to make it only one year.
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i disagree that its means theres no competitive balance. if you want to argue about a mediocre product thats one thing, but louisville won the title without a bunch of one and dones vs a michigan team that didnt have a bunch of one and dones and we saw butler go to back to back title games recently.

it does allow the big schools to reload quicker, but the teams with 2 or more frosh lottery picks are beatable.
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The rule is set by the NBA. They can do whatever they want internally. College basketball can't make guys stay as a result. That would be "un-American."
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The rule is set by the NBA. They can do whatever they want internally. College basketball can't make guys stay as a result. That would be "un-American."

I think it's actually set by the NBA players Assc. I've heard Commissioner Stern talk about this subject and he basically say, "Don't complain about it to me. Talk to the union."
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I think it's actually set by the NBA players Assc. I've heard Commissioner Stern talk about this subject and he basically say, "Don't complain about it to me. Talk to the union."
Stern originally wanted a two year rule (if I recall correctly, it was that the player had to be 20 years old to draft eligible). The players didn't want any restrictions at all. Columbia's own Jermaine O'Neal was very vocal and critical about the rule. The union finally agreed to the one and done rule in the CBA in exchange for the owners modifying the salary cap structure to better benefit the players.
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