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Old 01-18-2014, 09:17 PM   #1
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Default Can we be honest about the state of our bball program right now?

Raise your hand if you still turn to the game and get pissed when we lose even though you know we're gonna blow it.

I get so mad when we let games get away, I wouldn't mind if we pulled a Marcus Camby or a Derrick Rose. Can we please just pay off some recruits for ONE great year. I'm talking SEC title (tourney or SEC) and a couple of NCAA wins? I'm so damn sick of pulling for a team that chokes! And this is the only one that has been "rebuilding" for so long. I swear after Devan Downey left and Dominique Archie got hurt we've been toast. How is it that these small schools like Wichita St., Winthrop, Butler, St. Louis, etc. go to the tourney and win games and a major school in SC can't win, but yet we can field title caliber teams in football and baseball year in and year out? It just blows my mind so much.

I know Frank Martin is good. I know this, but I mean this is just so senseless that we can lose this damn close EVERY time. Be on the cusp EVERY time, but NOT THERE EVERY TIME. Don't get me wrong, I love the school, but Jesus how much can you take? The women's team turned it around (different dynamic I know), but it's like this is the major anomaly of our athletic department.
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Raise your hand if you still turn to the game and get pissed when we lose even though you know we're gonna blow it.

I get so mad when we let games get away, I wouldn't mind if we pulled a Marcus Camby or a Derrick Rose. Can we please just pay off some recruits for ONE great year. I'm talking SEC title (tourney or SEC) and a couple of NCAA wins? I'm so damn sick of pulling for a team that chokes! And this is the only one that has been "rebuilding" for so long. I swear after Devan Downey left and Dominique Archie got hurt we've been toast. How is it that these small schools like Wichita St., Winthrop, Butler, St. Louis, etc. go to the tourney and win games and a major school in SC can't win, but yet we can field title caliber teams in football and baseball year in and year out? It just blows my mind so much.

I know Frank Martin is good. I know this, but I mean this is just so senseless that we can lose this damn close EVERY time. Be on the cusp EVERY time, but NOT THERE EVERY TIME. Don't get me wrong, I love the school, but Jesus how much can you take? The women's team turned it around (different dynamic I know), but it's like this is the major anomaly of our athletic department.
The women made the NCAA's in Dawn Staley's 4th season. This is Frank's second. Frank will turn it around, just like Dawn did.
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The women made the NCAA's in Dawn Staley's 4th season. This is Frank's second. Frank will turn it around, just like Dawn did.
I hope your right, and I agree with his style of coaching. I just hope he isn't such a hot head that it is pissing off the players. Even though I know they need to man up about it.
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I hope your right, and I agree with his style of coaching. I just hope he isn't such a hot head that it is pissing off the players. Even though I know they need to man up about it.
I don't want this to come across as exceedingly arrogant, but I know I'm right. I've been to virtually every Carolina home game in the last 32 seasons and Frank WILL turn it around. We'll win a few more games next year and then have a break out season the following year. Please refer back to this post 2 years from now.
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I don't want this to come across as exceedingly arrogant, but I know I'm right. I've been to virtually every Carolina home game in the last 32 seasons and Frank WILL turn it around. We'll win a few more games next year and then have a break out season the following year. Please refer back to this post 2 years from now.
Refer back to this post after the SEC tourney, I agree 100%, you can see as Thornwell becomes more comfortable as an aggressive scorer, the team has less "looking at each other to figure out where they are suppose to be on the floor" moments because they know the offense/defense,they learn to pass the ball to teammates where the teammate has the most advantageous position to score and feed the hot hand.
Williams and Thornwell can make their own offense, as the others learn to feed them and feed off them the basket should open up a little more for the big men creating defensive energy on with made baskets. I hope as the team learns the offense and keeps an offensive flow on a consistent basis the refs will not be so whistle happy on Coach Martin's young men.
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Just have faith. Frank Martin is a great coach. Half the roster are freshman. You can't turn a program around in just two years. Look at Spurrier. His second year with South Carolina, we weren't anything to look at. It took him 7 years to get us our first double-digit win season. I know you can't really compare football to basketball, but you can't turn a program that has basically been nothing better than mediocrity into relevance in just two years. Martin has recruiting line here in the SEC. I have faith that he will turn the basketball team around. Just watch in a year or two, these games that we are blowing at the end will turn into wins.
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*Martin has to establish the recruiting here in the SEC*
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If we could pick up that Seven kid.. man we would be set.
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If we could pick up that Seven kid.. man we would be set.
Maybe you could do him the courtesy of getting his name right. Seventh. Not seven.
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Maybe you could do him the courtesy of getting his name right. Seventh. Not seven.
Oh, Im so sorry that I was unfamiliar with one of the most unfamiliar names I have ever seen.
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Frank is just getting his ball players in to play here. Give the man a chance before you doubt him.
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Dawn Staley had a losing record after her first 3 seasons, if I am not mistaken, and Frank Mcguire won 6 games his 1st season here and 11 the next. It takes time to build, why does everyone keep forgetting that.
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This team should have won the last 2 games. Last year this team never had a chance in most games, and not competitive. This team is better, playing mostly freshmen and sophomores. When they learn how to close out games, we will be fine. Made no mistake, closing out games has to be learned, we are just not there yet.
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This team should have won the last 2 games. Last year this team never had a chance in most games, and not competitive. This team is better, playing mostly freshmen and sophomores. When they learn how to close out games, we will be fine. Made no mistake, closing out games has to be learned, we are just not there yet.
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We're just a player or two away. I think we need a more athletic big man and a wing player that is a consistent finisher. Those are the two glaring weaknesses that I see with the team.
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We're just a player or two away. I think we need a more athletic big man and a wing player that is a consistent finisher. Those are the two glaring weaknesses that I see with the team.
Point is we can't seem to get those type players to come here.. we'll see what happens..not going anywhere I don't think...
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Point is we can't seem to get those type players to come here.. we'll see what happens..not going anywhere I don't think...
IF we can pick up that Seventh kid. His highlights are unreal. We need him, I hope we pursue him with everything we have, or UNC is going to take him from us.
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IF we can pick up that Seventh kid. His highlights are unreal. We need him, I hope we pursue him with everything we have, or UNC is going to take him from us.
Dozier is a big piece also. The class we have coming in is solid. We just need time to get developed. We lead for Seventh right now, but it's going to be tight until the end.
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Dozier is a big piece also. The class we have coming in is solid. We just need time to get developed. We lead for Seventh right now, but it's going to be tight until the end.
It's thought that UNC leads for Woods
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