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Old 03-05-2014, 09:49 PM   #1
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he can make a winner here if he chooses. Now it's going to take as long as it did Coach Staley. If he decides to stay that long. I don't think changing coaches again within the next 5 years is the answer from an administration point of view. He needs as much time as Coach Staley and obviously show improvement. Improvement in our case is winning 5-6 SEC games within the next 2 years and hopefully 8-9 SEC wins in the next 5-6 years. We are looking up at Mount Everest. If Coach Martin can't get us to at least .500 in SEC play in the next 5-6 years then it might be time for a change. Coaching carousel in our case doesn't work like it does at UK and UNC when they had their minor bumps. If it doesn't work out with Coach Martin then the only way I see us being relevant in basketball is to make a splash hire. I mean a huge name like Spurrier in football and Staley in women's basketball. That would mean hiring a coach and paying him the big bucks. From what I see, it's Coach Martin with a 5-6 year window to get us to 8, 9-10 SEC wins or hire a BIG national name. Either way it's going to take a LONG time. I hope I'm wrong though.
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The issue that I have is the amount of screaming and cussing he does to his players. It's a little over the top. JMTC
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He's not going anywhere without turning our program around first.

Plus if he leaves without turning our program around, his value will have been diminished
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This is true. Whatever rep he has would take a hit if he bails on us without at least making steps forward. If he could make those steps in years to come, he could stay here a long time. I hope he can land some top players and make us competitive year in and year out. He's supposed to be a good recruiter. I just want us to be a solid program that can average 9 wins a year in the SEC, once in every few years make a run at an SEC title and national title. Just be one of those programs that people say, "Watch out for them", I'd really like for us to be a program like a Pitt or a Villanova or OK State. Name some more that you'd like us to be like. Not the Duke's or UNC or Syracuse or UK or Kansas cause we'll never be like that, I wish we could, but just a solid program that can make some noise every now and then.
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The issue that I have is the amount of screaming and cussing he does to his players. It's a little over the top. JMTC
Yea he is always looking like he is gonna kill someone during timeouts...and the way he yells is rediculous
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Yea he is always looking like he is gonna kill someone during timeouts...and the way he yells is rediculous
IS this not exactly what we all expected when we hired him? We knew who we were getting. hahah now its "He's too hard on our guys"

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The issue that I have is the amount of screaming and cussing he does to his players. It's a little over the top. JMTC
I agree, not proper behavior from a leader and a teacher. I'm afraid
this type of behavior will keep us from getting certain athletes. I like
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Spurrier curses on the sideline, yells at players, hell he even throws his headset occasionally. Look where we are in football.
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Have you seen how much Dawn yells and carries on, and she has a top 5 team. On that note, Tanner was also ruff on players during there first year, granted he had guys who "figured it out" sooner seeing as how it has been pretty easy to recruit at sc
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I have not seen Coach Staley say " Answer the f'ing question dumbaxx!"

I like Coach Marin, BUT it is not necessary to to call a student a dumbaxx.
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I have not seen Coach Staley say " Answer the f'ing question dumbaxx!"

I like Coach Marin, BUT it is not necessary to to call a student a dumbaxx.
Did you attend the women's games in her first three years? If so, did you sit somewhere you could see her in a timeout huddle? If so, were you paying attention to what was coming out of her mouth? I don't think so. Not if you never heard her curse.

Here's a story... my wife and I attend men's and women's games. She found Dawn Staley frightening and overbearing and didn't like her in those first few years. Then she noticed team improvement and how Dawn was calmer the better her teams played. Now, for the last few seasons, my wife loves Dawn - thinks she's the best, nicest, most admirable person ever. Extrapolate my wife into the fan base at large and consider that their reaction to Frank will evolve the same way if he's allowed to coach his team the way he knows how.
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The issue that I have is the amount of screaming and cussing he does to his players. It's a little over the top. JMTC
This team fought like no other 11-18 team i have ever seen. The man gets through to his players, and you dont see the otherside of the coin. They all love Frank.
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Breaking News: Most College Coaches Yell At Players

Bob Knight made a Hall of Fame career out of it. As are Coach K, Jim Boeheim, Rick Pitino and countless others. Frank will go overboard sometimes like all coaches who get caught up in the moment, but he means well. Bottom line is that the players are responding to the type of style he wants to play and are competing hard.
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Breaking News: Most College Coaches Yell At Players

Bob Knight made a Hall of Fame career out of it. As are Coach K, Jim Boeheim, Rick Pitino and countless others. Frank will go overboard sometimes like all coaches who get caught up in the moment, but he means well. Bottom line is that the players are responding to the type of style he wants to play and are competing hard.
apparently you haven't witnessed TN coach Martin...he is the exact opposite of SC coach Martin...I wish our coach had your coaches fire...actually I wish we had Bruce Pearl back...
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I do think FM is the guy to turn this around. That being said, he is walking a fine line between cursing at players for effect and making it personal. Once a player thinks FM is attacking him personally, you have lost him.
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Personally, I could care less about the yelling and cursing. It's not a big deal.
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Bob Knight made a Hall of Fame career out of it. As are Coach K, Jim Boeheim, Rick Pitino and countless others. Frank will go overboard sometimes like all coaches who get caught up in the moment, but he means well. Bottom line is that the players are responding to the type of style he wants to play and are competing hard.
These guys won a lot of games and championships. Frank gets angrier than I've ever been in my life the first time we turn the ball over. And he remains that way the entire game. He's never encouraging to his players during the game. It will hurt in recruiting if it already hasn't.
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Yeah, well you better get used to it. Same for anyone else that has a problem with it.
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