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Old 04-07-2014, 02:15 PM   #1
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Interesting concept. I doubt it will lead to huge success for the league like the guy seems to indicate.
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I've always hated segregating sports based on gender. Women who play sports want to compete against the best, just like men, no matter the gender, so why not let them do it?

It would be really interesting to see some matchups of the top male and female athletes in certain sports, like tennis. I realize there are mixed doubles competitions, but that's not quite what I mean. Imagine the top female and male players squaring off in a singles match! And I don't mean some ridiculous match like Billie Jean King and Bobbie Riggs, either. Riggs was a long, long way from being a top player when the two faced off.
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I've always hated segregating sports based on gender. Women who play sports want to compete against the best, just like men, no matter the gender, so why not let them do it?

It would be really interesting to see some matchups of the top male and female athletes in certain sports, like tennis. I realize there are mixed doubles competitions, but that's not quite what I mean. Imagine the top female and male players squaring off in a singles match! And I don't mean some ridiculous match like Billie Jean King and Bobbie Riggs, either. Riggs was a long, long way from being a top player when the two faced off.
Are sports segregated by rule? I thought there was no prohibition in the NFL, NBA, etc. against women playing, there just hasn't been a woman capable of making a roster as of yet.

In golf, Annika Sorenstam and Michelle Wie have both played PGA events within the last 6 or 7 years.

Point being, I agree with your sentiment, I just don't think it's factually true that someone "won't let them do it."
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Are sports segregated by rule? I thought there was no prohibition in the NFL, NBA, etc. against women playing, there just hasn't been a woman capable of making a roster as of yet.

In golf, Annika Sorenstam and Michelle Wie have both played PGA events within the last 6 or 7 years.

Point being, I agree with your sentiment, I just don't think it's factually true that someone "won't let them do it."
I don't know if there is a "rule" per se, but the mere fact organizations such as the LPGA and WNBA exist suggests quite a few people feel it is necessary to separate the genders.

I also don't understand why, once competition gets to a certain level, males play baseball and females play softball. Let the genders compete with each other.

At the risk of seeming a bit sexist, I sometimes wonder if the segregation is because SOME women are "afraid" of putting their athletic prowess against men on a level playing field. For example, would the fastest women sprinters not want to compete against the fastest men sprinters just because the times have been historically faster for the men? According to Wikipedia (I know, I know), the fastest women's 200 meters run outdoors was 21.34 seconds. Several male sprinters tied at 19.86 seconds...the 24th fastest time for men.

In my opinion, not having all the best athletes, regardless of gender, compete against each other and then to give awards to both genders is similar to participation trophies. In other words, in the example of the 200 meter sprint, it's sort of like the women wouldn't have won anything, so they had to have their own event.
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Are sports segregated by rule? I thought there was no prohibition in the NFL, NBA, etc. against women playing, there just hasn't been a woman capable of making a roster as of yet.

In golf, Annika Sorenstam and Michelle Wie have both played PGA events within the last 6 or 7 years.

Point being, I agree with your sentiment, I just don't think it's factually true that someone "won't let them do it."
You are correct.
There's no segregation in college or pro sports, and there have been
MANY incidents where women have tried to break into men's sports in both
college and pro football and baseball, but they never made it to Letter
participants in College, or gotten onto a season roster in baseball. The
women who tried to make a college football roster have done so as
Kickers. The issue with this is that Kickers are required to be safety
defenders on kickoff teams. How would you view the outcome of a
female equivalent of Spencer Lanning going one on one with a someone
like Ace Sanders / Bruce Ellington with a full head of steam ? ..... That's
why there has never been a female place Kicker that made a college
roster. If it came down to two players vying for a kicking position on a
team, the coach is going to take that into consideration.

There was a serious attempt at a women trying to make an NFL roster
as a kicker just a few years ago. I say serious, because she took it
serious. I think the team that gave her the tryout was just using it as a
PR Stunt knowing what the outcome would be. I can't remember the team
she got an invite to camp from, but I remember seeing her YouTube
video that someone posted here. She was built as a female with a "LEGIT"
shot at making it to the NFL. .... the video was proof that it was
not only going to happen that year, but it will NEVER happen in the history
of the sport.

I remember back a decade or so ago, hearing about a couple of women
who wanted to tryout for a college baseball team, after having put up
some good numbers in a women's baseball team. There's a reason you
won't find their stats anywhere in college baseball websites. ... They
never made it past winter drills because they couldn't compete on a
men's team at that level of play, and decided not to take the "experiment"
any further than winter drills.

As someone mentioned earlier..... we all remember the attempts of
Annika Sorenstam and Michelle Wie to play in a PGA event a few years
ago. Both were women at the top of their games at the time they decided
to give the men's tourney a try. Neither made the cut for the final two
rounds.

There may be some sports where women might be able to compete with
men and make a run at winning but it hasn't happened so far, and I
seriously doubt it ever will. HOWEVER, in spite all the feminist opinions, and
the "All Inclusive" sports media commentators who think it's entirely
possible for women to compete in several men's sports and contend for
victory there, I have a word I use for those people .................. they're
WRONG. Won't happen. Never has, Never will, .... Never
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You are correct.
There's no segregation in college or pro sports, and there have been
MANY incidents where women have tried to break into men's sports in both
college and pro football and baseball, but they never made it to Letter
participants in College, or gotten onto a season roster in baseball. The
women who tried to make a college football roster have done so as
Kickers. The issue with this is that Kickers are required to be safety
defenders on kickoff teams. How would you view the outcome of a
female equivalent of Spencer Lanning going one on one with a someone
like Ace Sanders / Bruce Ellington with a full head of steam ? ..... That's
why there has never been a female place Kicker that made a college
roster. If it came down to two players vying for a kicking position on a
team, the coach is going to take that into consideration.

There was a serious attempt at a women trying to make an NFL roster
as a kicker just a few years ago. I say serious, because she took it
serious. I think the team that gave her the tryout was just using it as a
PR Stunt knowing what the outcome would be. I can't remember the team
she got an invite to camp from, but I remember seeing her YouTube
video that someone posted here. She was built as a female with a "LEGIT"
shot at making it to the NFL. .... the video was proof that it was
not only going to happen that year, but it will NEVER happen in the history
of the sport.

I remember back a decade or so ago, hearing about a couple of women
who wanted to tryout for a college baseball team, after having put up
some good numbers in a women's baseball team. There's a reason you
won't find their stats anywhere in college baseball websites. ... They
never made it past winter drills because they couldn't compete on a
men's team at that level of play, and decided not to take the "experiment"
any further than winter drills.

As someone mentioned earlier..... we all remember the attempts of
Annika Sorenstam and Michelle Wie to play in a PGA event a few years
ago. Both were women at the top of their games at the time they decided
to give the men's tourney a try. Neither made the cut for the final two
rounds.

There may be some sports where women might be able to compete with
men and make a run at winning but it hasn't happened so far, and I
seriously doubt it ever will. HOWEVER, in spite all the feminist opinions, and
the "All Inclusive" sports media commentators who think it's entirely
possible for women to compete in several men's sports and contend for
victory there, I have a word I use for those people .................. they're
WRONG. Won't happen. Never has, Never will, .... Never
There have been female college place kickers. Not many 5 or so at mostly 1_aa or division 3 schools but I know ow for a fact that the University of New Mexico had a girl score in a bowl game. I would think that would get her a letter. She transferred there from Colorado where it didn't go over so well with buffalo players. Can't recall her name though. Most colleges employ fg kickers and kick off specialists
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There have been female college place kickers. Not many 5 or so at mostly 1_aa or division 3 schools but I know ow for a fact that the University of New Mexico had a girl score in a bowl game. I would think that would get her a letter. She transferred there from Colorado where it didn't go over so well with buffalo players. Can't recall her name though. Most colleges employ fg kickers and kick off specialists
Didn't go over well? Why even bring that up? WTF man.
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I've always hated segregating sports based on gender. Women who play sports want to compete against the best, just like men, no matter the gender, so why not let them do it?

It would be really interesting to see some matchups of the top male and female athletes in certain sports, like tennis. I realize there are mixed doubles competitions, but that's not quite what I mean. Imagine the top female and male players squaring off in a singles match! And I don't mean some ridiculous match like Billie Jean King and Bobbie Riggs, either. Riggs was a long, long way from being a top player when the two faced off.
I played tennis in college and still play today. I could not win a game against Serena Williams but trust me she would not beat any man in the top 200 in the world or even come close.

Men are much faster and stronger than women and shots that would be a winners normally for the girls would be tracked down easily by any top level man and ripped by them.
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Its called Intramurals.
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Not interested. I don't think there is much that a woman can do that some man out there can't do better, might have to be a gay man on some things but there will be a guy who can do it better. We can't have babies, they can do that better. Super sexist I know.

Sports is just too big of a gap that I don't think it would interest me.
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Not interested. I don't think there is much that a woman can do that some man out there can't do better, might have to be a gay man on some things but there will be a guy who can do it better. We can't have babies, they can do that better. Super sexist I know.

Sports is just too big of a gap that I don't think it would interest me.
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I honestly forgot she said she was molested and raped. Is it fair to assume her side if the story when nothing came of it? No charges or dismissal of players that I know of
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I honestly forgot she said she was molested and raped. Is it fair to assume her side if the story when nothing came of it? No charges or dismissal of players that I know of
I think with the multitude of other accusations and the suspension and forced resignation of the coach at the time it is fair to assume something unseemly happened.
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I think with the multitude of other accusations and the suspension and forced resignation of the coach at the time it is fair to assume something unseemly happened.
The coach wasn't forced to resign because of if at all. He was suspended for his comments. Then coached them for two more years. He was forced to resign because of NCAA violations. Under charging player meals and tampering with testimony being the highlights. Not because of her.
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The coach wasn't forced to resign because of if at all. He was suspended for his comments. Then coached them for two more years. He was forced to resign because of NCAA violations. Under charging player meals and tampering with testimony being the highlights. Not because of her.
Part of those violations was in regards to sex being offered to recruits (which I'm sure happens everywhere) and allegations of rapes during these recruiting trips. Either way the University of Colorado had several issues going on at the time, which leads me personally to think there's some truth in her specific allegations. It's your prerogative to think differently, but I find it in poor taste to refer to the whole mess as "didn't go to well" in the context of women playing men's sports.
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Part of those violations was in regards to sex being offered to recruits (which I'm sure happens everywhere) and allegations of rapes during these recruiting trips. Either way the University of Colorado had several issues going on at the time, which leads me personally to think there's some truth in her specific allegations. It's your prerogative to think differently, but I find it in poor taste to refer to the whole mess as "didn't go to well" in the context of women playing men's sports.
Please let it go. The thread has been hijacked enough already, and it has already been stated no offense was meant by that comment, because he didn't even remember the issue.
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Oh yeah put lebron in a wnba game and see what happens

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He wouldn't take it serious....would be worried he'd hurt one of them... and probably would. Then everyone would complain and gripe.
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Please visit http://www.mgbainc.com and check out the news and media links as well.

If you have a few moments, Youtube MGBA and watch the 4th quarter of an MGBA game in NJ. These women have skills.

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JET Magazine: "Courting Changes....the NBA and WNBA will have to make room for the MGBA" -LaSheika Hunter

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