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When I was watching 2012 Florida game, there was a part where Florida got penalized for "roughing the snapper", which I thought was the strangest penalty. And that got me thinking.

What are some of the strangest rules/penalties you've seen enforced in any sport?
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"Giving him the business". Whatever that is, apparently isn't allowed.
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How about rules that don't exist? If we visit that topic, then penalties not being reviewable gets my vote. I mean penalties should be able to be overturned and be able to be called when reviewing a play. In other words, if a penalty is called (let's say illegal man downfield) and the play is reviewed and shows the player(s) in question were within the allowable distance, then it should be overturned. Likewise, if the penalty wasn't called originally and the review shows the player(s) too far downfield, then the officials should be able to call it.

I'm not saying penalties should be the reasons for the reviews (unless they are potentially game-changing call/non-calls, like pass interference), but if the play is being reviewed anyway, then review everything about it.
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How about rules that don't exist? If we visit that topic, then penalties not being reviewable gets my vote. I mean penalties should be able to be overturned and be able to be called when reviewing a play. In other words, if a penalty is called (let's say illegal man downfield) and the play is reviewed and shows the player(s) in question were within the allowable distance, then it should be overturned. Likewise, if the penalty wasn't called originally and the review shows the player(s) too far downfield, then the officials should be able to call it.

I'm not saying penalties should be the reasons for the reviews (unless they are potentially game-changing call/non-calls, like pass interference), but if the play is being reviewed anyway, then review everything about it.
penalties aren't reviewable...fouls are
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I think it's weird that during a FG a holder can be on a knee, catch the snap and then get up and throw a pass. Seems like they would be ruled down. I know it's the rule but it's just kinda weird.
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I think it's weird that during a FG a holder can be on a knee, catch the snap and then get up and throw a pass. Seems like they would be ruled down. I know it's the rule but it's just kinda weird.
I halfway agree. If the player is serving only as the holder for a kick, then he should be allowed to have the knee down without being called down, but if his role changes (very obviously not just holding the ball), then I think he should have to pick his knee up before receiving the ball. QBs aren't allowed to receive a snap with one knee down and do anything with the ball, so why is the holder?
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I halfway agree. If the player is serving only as the holder for a kick, then he should be allowed to have the knee down without being called down, but if his role changes (very obviously not just holding the ball), then I think he should have to pick his knee up before receiving the ball. QBs aren't allowed to receive a snap with one knee down and do anything with the ball, so why is the holder?

If they changed to the NFL rule I mentioned before about only being down by contact from another player then this would be allowed without an issue.


Edit: Which I guess it's not an issue...just strange to me.
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I think it's weird that during a FG a holder can be on a knee, catch the snap and then get up and throw a pass. Seems like they would be ruled down. I know it's the rule but it's just kinda weird.
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Not true. In HS the holder can start the play with his knee down and then run a fake.
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Not true. In HS the holder can start the play with his knee down and then run a fake.
ART. 2 . . . The ball becomes dead and the down is ended:

a. When a runner goes out of bounds, is held so his forward progress is stopped or allows any part of his person other than hand or foot to touch the ground.

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1. The ball remains live if, at the snap, a place-kick holder with his knee(s) on the ground and with a teammate in kicking position catches or recovers the snap while his knee(s) is on the ground and places the ball for a kick, or if he rises to advance, hand, kick or pass; or

2. The ball remains live if, at the snap, a place-kick holder with his knee(s) on the ground and with a teammate in kicking position rises and catches or recovers an errant snap and immediately returns his knee(s) to the ground and places the ball for a kick or again rises to advance, hand, kick or pass.

NOTE: The ball becomes dead if the place-kick holder muffs the snap or fumbles and recovers after his knees have been off the ground, and he then touches the ground with other than hand or foot while in possession of the ball.
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ART. 2 . . . The ball becomes dead and the down is ended:

a. When a runner goes out of bounds, is held so his forward progress is stopped or allows any part of his person other than hand or foot to touch the ground.

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1. The ball remains live if, at the snap, a place-kick holder with his knee(s) on the ground and with a teammate in kicking position catches or recovers the snap while his knee(s) is on the ground and places the ball for a kick, or if he rises to advance, hand, kick or pass; or

2. The ball remains live if, at the snap, a place-kick holder with his knee(s) on the ground and with a teammate in kicking position rises and catches or recovers an errant snap and immediately returns his knee(s) to the ground and places the ball for a kick or again rises to advance, hand, kick or pass.

NOTE: The ball becomes dead if the place-kick holder muffs the snap or fumbles and recovers after his knees have been off the ground, and he then touches the ground with other than hand or foot while in possession of the ball.
None of this says, like the post you had quoted to start this, that the holder can not catch the snap on a knee, fake the kick and then get up and run a FG fake. That is legal in HS football.

All the rules you listed are about being able to catch a bad snap and get back on your knee. As long as you don't leave your vicinity, you can place your knee on the ground for holding. It basically negates someone crawling to get the ball or back to their spot for a kick. Either way, starting a play on a knee and catching the ball, while your knee is still down, is acceptable on a FG fake.
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Not true. In HS the holder can start the play with his knee down and then run a fake.
I just reread something and i came back to this thread...i was talking about the lsu flip of the ball over the holder's shoulder...can't do that in HS football.
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I think it's weird that during a FG a holder can be on a knee, catch the snap and then get up and throw a pass. Seems like they would be ruled down. I know it's the rule but it's just kinda weird.
You can't be down before you get the ball, for this reason you may get the ball with a knee down than get up and play normally, remember when Shaw corralled a boggled snap and took off with it and they had to go to the tape to figure out if his knee touched before or after he grabbed the ball?
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You can't be down before you get the ball, for this reason you may get the ball with a knee down than get up and play normally, remember when Shaw corralled a boggled snap and took off with it and they had to go to the tape to figure out if his knee touched before or after he grabbed the ball?
You can't be down unless you have possession and he never had possession to start, but if he started with his knee up and then it went down, yes, the ball would be dead
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The one rule missing that I wish was in college was the NFL rule that a runner can be down only with contact.
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The one rule missing that I wish was in college was the NFL rule that a runner can be down only with contact.
There are a couple of rules I wish were in college that the pros have. The one you named is one of them. I also wish PI penalties against the defense were spot fouls.

And for both college and pro ball, I wish they would get rid of automatic first downs due to a penalty when the penalty yardage wouldn't be enough to give the offense the first down. It just doesn't make sense to me that a team could be backed way up (something like 3rd and 25), the defense gets called for a penalty like defensive holding or even a personal foul, and the offense gets a free first down.

I remember a few years back UGA and UT were playing in Knoxville, and UGA ended up in 3rd and 57. If UT had been called for one of the penalties in question, then UGA would've been bailed out even though their own penalties put them in the situation. How would that make sense to say one penalty is worse than all the ones the other team had? Here's the video:

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