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Old 07-08-2014, 07:08 PM   #1
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It is interesting that we can go into Clemson's home field, which is a very good football environment, and beat them. But Clemson cannot come into WB and win. My theory is that the SEC gives us a great advantage.

Clemson's football team really never sees an environment anything close to our environment. Maybe if they go to Va Tech, it might get somewhat close to playing at WB. Therefore, when they come into our stadium and are confronted with the loud, crazy atmosphere we present to them, they get rattled and lose. They simply are not used to it.

We, on the other hand, have to go on the road and play in places like Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, or Auburn. All of those schools have more intimidating environments than Clemson's field. Thus, when we go to their home field, we are more confident and less easily intimidated . . . and we win.

Maybe this should be smack, but I am not sure if stating facts constitute smack.
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It is interesting that we can go into Clemson's home field, which is a very good football environment, and beat them. But Clemson cannot come into WB and win. My theory is that the SEC gives us a great advantage.

Clemson's football team really never sees an environment anything close to our environment. Maybe if they go to Va Tech, it might get somewhat close to playing at WB. Therefore, when they come into our stadium and are confronted with the loud, crazy atmosphere we present to them, they get rattled and lose. They simply are not used to it.

We, on the other hand, have to go on the road and play in places like Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, or Auburn. All of those schools have more intimidating environments than Clemson's field. Thus, when we go to their home field, we are more confident and less easily intimidated . . . and we win.

Maybe this should be smack, but I am not sure if stating facts constitute smack.
I don't think it's dealing with the loud fans as much as it's dealing with physical teams week in and week out. Even the lower rated teams in the SEC will hit you in the mouth but in the acc your wr's can run over the safety with ease.

Clemson also looked uncomfortable having traffic around them when they play us. In most acc games they could simply run a bubble screen for a first down whenever they wanted to. Plenty of space to roam.
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I don't think it's dealing with the loud fans as much as it's dealing with physical teams week in and week out. Even the lower rated teams in the SEC will hit you in the mouth but in the acc your wr's can run over the safety with ease.

Clemson also looked uncomfortable having traffic around them when they play us. In most acc games they could simply run a bubble screen for a first down whenever they wanted to. Plenty of space to roam.
I agree our physicality definitely is the difference, but it isn't just from playing in the SEC, or we'd have been doing this since the 90's. I think we have finally gotten the depth on the roster to survive the SEC schedule and come into the Clemson game with the advantage the tough grind has created. Before our starters were good enough to play with anyone but after a few injuries and whatnot, we weren't nearly as good as we could be. On the other hand, Clemson was playing a less demanding schedule which allowed them to play at a higher level than USC.

Also never underestimate what winning does for end of season performance. The same team at 6-5 plays totally different than if they won a couple close games and are 9-2. The confidence and excitement is there for game 12 that wouldn't be there with a 6-5 team.
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I'm convinced that the freshman Class of 2009 was the key to what
turned this program and the rivalry around, and in our favor. It goes (IMO)
beyond just the talent in that class. We've had talented Classes in the
past. I think we found a group of leaders in that class that pass on the
right kind of instructions to those that came behind them. ... I also think
very strongly that the core was the talented kids we pulled in from this
state. Stephon Gilmore, Devonte Holloman, Damario Jeffery, Alshon Jeffery,
DJ Swearinger, Justice Cunningham .... Grew up steeped in the rivalry, and
were highly recruited by both schools. Once they signed with SC, they knew
well about the Clemson/SC game and got busy putting their talent towards
making the Gamecocks the better school in the rivalry game. They
came from a time in SC football where a lot of their rivals in HS and
even some on their own team, went to Clemson, so there was an added
incentive to prove they were not only the better player in the State in
HS, but could take that to the next level against their rivals in college.

Whatever it was, I know it was that class that sparked the program, and
gave Spurrier a twinkle in his eye about play calling with a very deep and
very talented team.

I said for years when talking about the Clemson / Carolina rivalry that
in order for us to turn it around, SC would need to run off three / four
wins in a row, and I said at the time, that one of them would have to
be a "DECISIVE" win (by 25-30 points or more). We didn't get that major
blowout I thought we needed, but running off 5 in a row by double digit
margins, against the best team Clemson has put together since Danny
Ford and the 80s, was a HUGE Factor in SC's ability to change what
was in regards to the rivalry game from our standpoint. I really think it
was 80% mental most of those years. It took a run of 3-4 games and
all by more than 10 points to get the old way of approaching the game
out of the player's heads, and now they approach it as "we are the
better program in this rivalry and this state, and if you want to change
that...... better pack a lunch and plan on some overtime"

It would be ridiculous to say we will never lose again. .. .We will lose
a game at some point soon. But I would be willing to bet that we've
seen then end of those 3/1 -4/1 Clemson win ratios again. This rivalry
will become more of a rivalry from this point forward, and I think the
class of 2009 was the foundation of the turnaround.
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I'm convinced that the freshman Class of 2009 was the key to what
turned this program and the rivalry around, and in our favor. It goes (IMO)
beyond just the talent in that class. We've had talented Classes in the
past. I think we found a group of leaders in that class that pass on the
right kind of instructions to those that came behind them. ... I also think
very strongly that the core was the talented kids we pulled in from this
state. Stephon Gilmore, Devonte Holloman, Damario Jeffery, Alshon Jeffery,
DJ Swearinger, Justice Cunningham .... Grew up steeped in the rivalry, and
were highly recruited by both schools. Once they signed with SC, they knew
well about the Clemson/SC game and got busy putting their talent towards
making the Gamecocks the better school in the rivalry game. They
came from a time in SC football where a lot of their rivals in HS and
even some on their own team, went to Clemson, so there was an added
incentive to prove they were not only the better player in the State in
HS, but could take that to the next level against their rivals in college.

Whatever it was, I know it was that class that sparked the program, and
gave Spurrier a twinkle in his eye about play calling with a very deep and
very talented team.

I said for years when talking about the Clemson / Carolina rivalry that
in order for us to turn it around, SC would need to run off three / four
wins in a row, and I said at the time, that one of them would have to
be a "DECISIVE" win (by 25-30 points or more). We didn't get that major
blowout I thought we needed, but running off 5 in a row by double digit
margins, against the best team Clemson has put together since Danny
Ford and the 80s, was a HUGE Factor in SC's ability to change what
was in regards to the rivalry game from our standpoint. I really think it
was 80% mental most of those years. It took a run of 3-4 games and
all by more than 10 points to get the old way of approaching the game
out of the player's heads, and now they approach it as "we are the
better program in this rivalry and this state, and if you want to change
that...... better pack a lunch and plan on some overtime"

It would be ridiculous to say we will never lose again. .. .We will lose
a game at some point soon. But I would be willing to bet that we've
seen then end of those 3/1 -4/1 Clemson win ratios again. This rivalry
will become more of a rivalry from this point forward, and I think the
class of 2009 was the foundation of the turnaround.
I do think it is about mind set now. Ours and theirs. If you would have asked me two years ago when we went into the Valley with Thompson, I would have told you we had them beat before we even stepped onto the field. I truly believed that. There wasn't a question in my mind at home last year.
And now, as another date in the Valley approaches, I have no fear, nor trepidation. We believe, therefore we are. They have the clock, we need no such mind games, we just need to bring it.
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I do think it is about mind set now. Ours and theirs. If you would have asked me two years ago when we went into the Valley with Thompson, I would have told you we had them beat before we even stepped onto the field. I truly believed that. There wasn't a question in my mind at home last year.
And now, as another date in the Valley approaches, I have no fear, nor trepidation. We believe, therefore we are. They have the clock, we need no such mind games, we just need to bring it.

That was my opinion for years as to why Clemson owned the rivalry.
I think with so many kids on the team that grew up in, played HS in
and wanted to stay IN THE STATE, they knew pretty much everything
about the rivalry. They've heard it from their parents, their friends, their
school mates, the local media ...... They knew Clemson dominated the
rivalry for decades, and when they went to play for the teams, those
that went to SC were saturated with the fact that THEY Were now the
class that was on the line to change the rivalry, or continue to be
beaten down. .... When one little thing in the game went wrong, I think
it was almost a team wide OH F*** moment, ... Like, Here we go again.

NOW.. since those classes from 2009 and 2010 started winning, and
became the first team since 1970 to win back to back games... then
the first since that 1968-1970 class not to lose to SC. Not only just
the fact that they won, but won by double digit margins each year.
They were the first class to win four consecutive games for SC since
the late 40s / Early 50s and they established in the lower classmen,
the feeling of being the better program in the rivalry. .. Those teams
are now in the process of setting new records in the rivalry for Carolina
and the goal is well within reach to set new records in the State Game
over both teams. ..... in the process, we now have the mindset every
year of being the better team, and when those little things go wrong,
our guys don't get nervous ... have that OH S**T moment... now they
just play through the mistakes and overcome them (at least they have
the past few years) it seems they are now of the mindset they are
as good as anyone they play..... INCLUDING CLEMSON
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I'm convinced that the freshman Class of 2009 was the key to what
turned this program and the rivalry around, and in our favor. It goes (IMO)
beyond just the talent in that class. We've had talented Classes in the
past. I think we found a group of leaders in that class that pass on the
right kind of instructions to those that came behind them. ... I also think
very strongly that the core was the talented kids we pulled in from this
state. Stephon Gilmore, Devonte Holloman, Damario Jeffery, Alshon Jeffery,
DJ Swearinger, Justice Cunningham .... Grew up steeped in the rivalry, and
were highly recruited by both schools. Once they signed with SC, they knew
well about the Clemson/SC game and got busy putting their talent towards
making the Gamecocks the better school in the rivalry game. They
came from a time in SC football where a lot of their rivals in HS and
even some on their own team, went to Clemson, so there was an added
incentive to prove they were not only the better player in the State in
HS, but could take that to the next level against their rivals in college.

Whatever it was, I know it was that class that sparked the program, and
gave Spurrier a twinkle in his eye about play calling with a very deep and
very talented team.

I said for years when talking about the Clemson / Carolina rivalry that
in order for us to turn it around, SC would need to run off three / four
wins in a row, and I said at the time, that one of them would have to
be a "DECISIVE" win (by 25-30 points or more). We didn't get that major
blowout I thought we needed, but running off 5 in a row by double digit
margins, against the best team Clemson has put together since Danny
Ford and the 80s, was a HUGE Factor in SC's ability to change what
was in regards to the rivalry game from our standpoint. I really think it
was 80% mental most of those years. It took a run of 3-4 games and
all by more than 10 points to get the old way of approaching the game
out of the player's heads, and now they approach it as "we are the
better program in this rivalry and this state, and if you want to change
that...... better pack a lunch and plan on some overtime"

It would be ridiculous to say we will never lose again. .. .We will lose
a game at some point soon. But I would be willing to bet that we've
seen then end of those 3/1 -4/1 Clemson win ratios again. This rivalry
will become more of a rivalry from this point forward, and I think the
class of 2009 was the foundation of the turnaround.
I concur that the 2009 class was a key but that class joined classes from 2005-2008 to form that nucleus. The recruiting had already been done it was picking the difference guys to go with what we had. The 2009 team did not win on their own and it is a slight to the other classes of that year to not credit a more expansive group of young men. I think 2009 was the plugin that made the others go, but the talent was here then too. JMO
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I'm convinced that the freshman Class of 2009 was the key to what
turned this program and the rivalry around, and in our favor.I also think
very strongly that the core was the talented kids we pulled in from this
state. Stephon Gilmore, Devonte Holloman, Damario Jeffery, Alshon Jeffery,
DJ Swearinger, Justice Cunningham .... Whatever it was, I know it was that class that sparked the program, and
gave Spurrier a twinkle in his eye about play calling with a very deep and
very talented team.
Well said. And just to think, a few of those guys supposedly were leans to Clemson at one point.

Those guys are probably what kept Spurrier here. He's admitted he was having doubts and was thinking about hanging it up, but that surge of talent started changing things.
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I'm convinced that the freshman Class of 2009 was the key to what
turned this program and the rivalry around, and in our favor. It goes (IMO)
beyond just the talent in that class. We've had talented Classes in the
past. I think we found a group of leaders in that class that pass on the
right kind of instructions to those that came behind them. ... I also think
very strongly that the core was the talented kids we pulled in from this
state. Stephon Gilmore, Devonte Holloman, Damario Jeffery, Alshon Jeffery,
DJ Swearinger, Justice Cunningham .... Grew up steeped in the rivalry, and
were highly recruited by both schools. Once they signed with SC, they knew
well about the Clemson/SC game and got busy putting their talent towards
making the Gamecocks the better school in the rivalry game. They
came from a time in SC football where a lot of their rivals in HS and
even some on their own team, went to Clemson, so there was an added
incentive to prove they were not only the better player in the State in
HS, but could take that to the next level against their rivals in college.

Whatever it was, I know it was that class that sparked the program, and
gave Spurrier a twinkle in his eye about play calling with a very deep and
very talented team.

I said for years when talking about the Clemson / Carolina rivalry that
in order for us to turn it around, SC would need to run off three / four
wins in a row, and I said at the time, that one of them would have to
be a "DECISIVE" win (by 25-30 points or more). We didn't get that major
blowout I thought we needed, but running off 5 in a row by double digit
margins, against the best team Clemson has put together since Danny
Ford and the 80s, was a HUGE Factor in SC's ability to change what
was in regards to the rivalry game from our standpoint. I really think it
was 80% mental most of those years. It took a run of 3-4 games and
all by more than 10 points to get the old way of approaching the game
out of the player's heads, and now they approach it as "we are the
better program in this rivalry and this state, and if you want to change
that...... better pack a lunch and plan on some overtime"

It would be ridiculous to say we will never lose again. .. .We will lose
a game at some point soon. But I would be willing to bet that we've
seen then end of those 3/1 -4/1 Clemson win ratios again. This rivalry
will become more of a rivalry from this point forward, and I think the
class of 2009 was the foundation of the turnaround.

I would have to add Spurrier completely revamping his coaching staff prior to that class. It seems that the new assistant coaches have not just recruited better athletes but higher character kids as well and it has shown not just on the field but in the classroom as well.

The 2009 class was definitely the turning point but the new coaching staff was the foundation for taking that next step.
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...but the new coaching staff was the foundation for taking that next step.
Totally agree. Better coaches on both sides of the ball.

The move to the 4-2 has done wonders for the kinds of guys we can recruit on defense and bringing in G.A. Mangus and Eric Wolford/Shawn Elliott were huge hires. Those 3 coaches are not only directly responsible for recruiting key QB and OL guys, but also developing them into solid SEC players.
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I agree our physicality definitely is the difference, but it isn't just from playing in the SEC, or we'd have been doing this since the 90's. I think we have finally gotten the depth on the roster to survive the SEC schedule and come into the Clemson game with the advantage the tough grind has created. Before our starters were good enough to play with anyone but after a few injuries and whatnot, we weren't nearly as good as we could be. On the other hand, Clemson was playing a less demanding schedule which allowed them to play at a higher level than USC.

Also never underestimate what winning does for end of season performance. The same team at 6-5 plays totally different than if they won a couple close games and are 9-2. The confidence and excitement is there for game 12 that wouldn't be there with a 6-5 team.
Yeah, I remember when we'd brag about being in the SEC, but when we lost to clem5on, we'd make the excuse that we were too beat up from our tough schedule(and have injuries, as you said) to play them a good game. clem5on would ridicule us about that.

Now, well now that we're winning in the SEC and, as you say, we're coming out of the league schedule with fewer injuries, more depth, and making mince meat of clem5on, their fans aren't ridiculing us anymore. In fact, if you go on their message boards after we beat them, they'll talk about how they want clem5on to be in the SEC, because this has made us tougher.
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I think we have finally gotten the depth on the roster to survive the SEC schedule and come into the Clemson game with the advantage the tough grind has created. Before our starters were good enough to play with anyone but after a few injuries and whatnot, we weren't nearly as good as we could be. On the other hand, Clemson was playing a less demanding schedule which allowed them to play at a higher level than USC.
This is a big part of it.

We had too many years where we had some great individual players, but absolutely zero depth behind them. One or two injuries would create huge holes on both sides of the ball, and that's not even taking into account the wear/tear/bumps/bruises from the grind of the season.

Our upgrade in quality depth helps explain how we've beaten them with a second team QB or a third string RB over the last few years. Ten years ago that never would've happened.
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Our upgrade in quality depth helps explain how we've beaten them with a second team QB or a third string RB over the last few years. Ten years ago that never would've happened.
And shows up big in the 2nd half. CU has had horrible 2nd halfs against our guys 4 years in a row. Think about it....they have averaged exactly 3.2 pts against our defenses the past 4 games.

How does 3.2 compare to their season averages with that offense they had? Depth, speed, and dominating their OL has been the key factors.
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I agree , we have SEC muscle now with plenty more room to grow ..
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Its more how CU and SC matched up lately. From 1981 to 2007, CU lost only twice in WB. In 92, 94, and 96, SC won at DV. And as I have posted before, aside from the recent games vs. SC, you have to go back to 2008 vs. Bama to find a game that CU was manhandled by an SEC team. Y'all don't have to give all the credit to the SEC. I can't remember seeing CU get manhandled worst than they were by FSU last year.
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I think we have superior coaching.
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From my view. each game lately has been different, but we beat them in the trenches. They stacked the box this past year in at least 4 games and the 2 really good teams (us and FSU) made them pay. They weren't used to the strength up front, and their QB got rattled. Watson was practically a non-factor, because our team speed negated the WR screen he ate off of all year. Year before, our DL pressured, they decided to stop our running game and got beaten by a balanced attack (3 TD's passing and over 300 yds). Dabo said after this year's game they beat us everywhere but the scoreboard, so apparently he wasn't watching the game. It just seems to boil down to winning up front and not being one-dimensional.
I agree that the week-by-week slugfest we call a schedule better prepares us for tough games, but it also takes its toll physically on players. They seldom hold us below our scoring average; we hold them well below theirs.
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From my view. each game lately has been different, but we beat them in the trenches.
Specifically our DL...the first 4 wins our DL was pretty dominant, with 2011 being the best one of the 5 wins. In '09, our speed on defense was dominant.

I give them credit in '13 for doing a better job in the trenches on both sides, but they self destructed last season and we really weren't pushed into getting out of our game plan. My only regret is the one year we ran Marcus against them, we just went conservative because we had the SECCG the following week. I would have loved for them have to played Marcus with a mature Connor Shaw together on the same team.
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Specifically our DL...the first 4 wins our DL was pretty dominant, with 2011 being the best one of the 5 wins. In '09, our speed on defense was dominant.

I give them credit in '13 for doing a better job in the trenches on both sides, but they self destructed last season and we really weren't pushed into getting out of our game plan. My only regret is the one year we ran Marcus against them, we just went conservative because we had the SECCG the following week. I would have loved for them have to played Marcus with a mature Connor Shaw together on the same team.
Their DL has caught up with ours and I would say is probably going to be better than ours this year. On the other hand our OL should be better than theirs so it evens out. The trenches argument is no longer valid, at least for this year. And to be honest, the trenches neutralized last year as well.

I think the OP hit the nail on the head. We are battle tested and we play the BIG games regularly. Clemson has a difficult time transitioning from playing Wake and NC State to us.

Our guys also just seem to KNOW they're going to win, just like Clemson back in the day.
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Their DL has caught up with ours and I would say is probably going to be better than ours this year. On the other hand our OL should be better than theirs so it evens out. The trenches argument is no longer valid, at least for this year. And to be honest, the trenches neutralized last year as well.

I think the OP hit the nail on the head. We are battle tested and we play the BIG games regularly. Clemson has a difficult time transitioning from playing Wake and NC State to us.

Our guys also just seem to KNOW they're going to win, just like Clemson back in the day.
That is an oft followed line this year, but I really doubt it. They have some experienced players back, but they had to use DB's in the box last year to get pressure against good teams, including a very mediocre NC State whose QB couldn't complete a simple pass to open receivers several times. Our DL caught a lot of heat last year due to poor LB play that our coaches acknowledged during the season. They will have one of the best DL in the ACC - that's all. This year, we will have DL performance without stars, but excellent DT depth and DE's who will rotate situationally as well. Can't wait to see these guys in games.
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