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Old 07-11-2014, 12:22 PM   #1
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Default Are we screwed at CB?

It came out a few days ago that darin smalls, green, and lammons are one of the 8 players that might not qualify from our 2014 class, so even if they do qualify they wont get the practice that the others are getting.

How is our CB situation looking as of right now with who has qualified and who we already had? Also why are we recruiting all these kids who cant even meet very low academic standards? Theyre going to need a lot of help in college.
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Not screwed. More like...DOOMED.
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Default Re: Are we screwed at CB?

Very scary to think about if these db 's don't qualify, i trust the coaching staff to make & get the most out of our current roster, but would be difficult to field what we have in the back end w/out these guys qualifying. Fingers crossed they can put their grades/scores in order & get on campus. Just not looking good.
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Default Re: Are we screwed at CB?

If the success or failure of the defense was dependent on freshmen CB's it was probably already screwed. I just don't think it is that bad.
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Heard reports that Smalls, Lammons, and Green will be required to retake their standardized (ACT) test over again...possibly today at the latest. Apparently their previous test scores looked too high for the NCAA clearinghouse's comfort, so they will retake it today under supervision. The results of the retakes should be known in 2 weeks time. Stay tuned I guess.....
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Heard reports that Smalls, Lammons, and Green will be required to retake their standardized (ACT) test over again...possibly today at the latest. Apparently their previous test scores looked too high for the NCAA clearinghouse's comfort, so they will retake it today under supervision. The results of the retakes should be known in 2 weeks time. Stay tuned I guess.....
How bad would you feel if you worked really hard and did great on the ACT only to have the NCAA say you are too stupid to get that high of a score, haha. I guess well find out if they actually did well or did indeed cheat.
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Heard reports that Smalls, Lammons, and Green will be required to retake their standardized (ACT) test over again...possibly today at the latest. Apparently their previous test scores looked too high for the NCAA clearinghouse's comfort, so they will retake it today under supervision. The results of the retakes should be known in 2 weeks time. Stay tuned I guess.....
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Depending on how many times they took it, if there is a big score increase from the 1st to 2nd time then it'll get flagged.
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Heard reports that Smalls, Lammons, and Green will be required to retake their standardized (ACT) test over again...possibly today at the latest. Apparently their previous test scores looked too high for the NCAA clearinghouse's comfort, so they will retake it today under supervision. The results of the retakes should be known in 2 weeks time. Stay tuned I guess.....
How can you cheat on a standardized test?
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CB - Williams, McWilliams, Groves, J. Smith, D. Smith, Harris

Gurley and Elder have both also spent time at Corner at some point in their careers.

S - Williams, Gurley, Elder, Marcus, Moody, Sasser


Not ideal depth, but not terrible either.
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CB - Williams, McWilliams, Groves, J. Smith, D. Smith, Harris

Gurley and Elder have both also spent time at Corner at some point in their careers.

S - Williams, Gurley, Elder, Marcus, Moody, Sasser


Not ideal depth, but not terrible either.

so what you are saying in a nutshell is.... we're ****ed....

These guys got torched in big games last season, could've easily cost us multiple games had we not had reliable starters.
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so what you are saying in a nutshell is.... we're ****ed....

These guys got torched in big games last season, could've easily cost us multiple games had we not had reliable starters.
You are right! No chance they get any better this year, we are screwed.


This thread is so full of LOSE it is pathetic.

We have people that don't qualify every year but THIS year is different because they were all going to start?
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You are right! No chance they get any better this year, we are screwed.


This thread is so full of LOSE it is pathetic.

We have people that don't qualify every year but THIS year is different because they were all going to start?
you make a good point, we have this issue to one degree or another ea yr, not a good thing. the point u seem to miss is a concern that dispite our recruiting position improving yr over yr due to on field performace, facilities, tv etc. where one would rightly expect our need to sign prospects at significant risk to qualify should decrease by all logic. This year is different because instead of expected decrease,the practice is increasing, even exponentially increasing. up to 11 at risk out of 21? The concern eminates from the fact that many, myself included have never heard or imagined our program, any D1 program placing itself in such a predicament.
maybe all or at least most of the remaining work out but if or not when repeatedly yr over yr one plays with fire.......
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You are right! No chance they get any better this year, we are screwed.


This thread is so full of LOSE it is pathetic.

We have people that don't qualify every year but THIS year is different because they were all going to start?
Well, when your incoming freshman are projected to start its already a bad sign, but when those incoming freshman don't even come in??

Lets just pray to the football gods that we can muster up some sort of pass rush, bc these guys couldn't cover a bed last year and are much thinner this year. We are undersized and young in a position that could blow a game away. Our secondary got beat.... A LOT last season and looks to be the same song and dance this season if these guys don't get in. What if Ali or Rico goes down? These are all things that you need to take into account, so yes, if they don't get in we're ****ed.
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Well, when your incoming freshman are projected to start its already a bad sign, but when those incoming freshman don't even come in??

Lets just pray to the football gods that we can muster up some sort of pass rush, bc these guys couldn't cover a bed last year and are much thinner this year. We are undersized and young in a position that could blow a game away. Our secondary got beat.... A LOT last season and looks to be the same song and dance this season if these guys don't get in. What if Ali or Rico goes down? These are all things that you need to take into account, so yes, if they don't get in we're ****ed.

1) In the country: USC was 12th in fewest pass yards allowed, 20th in pass yards per completion, and 45th in pass efficiency defense.

2) None of the freshmen we are waiting on (Green, Lammons, Smalls) were projected starters this year.
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CB - Williams, McWilliams, Groves, J. Smith, D. Smith, Harris

Gurley and Elder have both also spent time at Corner at some point in their careers.

S - Williams, Gurley, Elder, Marcus, Moody, Sasser


Not ideal depth, but not terrible either.
I wouldn't call this article on Groves a ringing endorsement... any changes on that front?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...now-ali-groves
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I wouldn't call this article on Groves a ringing endorsement... any changes on that front?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...now-ali-groves
I think you're taking that a bit out of proportion: at the time of the article, Ali was recuperating from shoulder surgery and was kept out of any contact in the spring. He is a redshirted freshman who hasn't played a snap of FB in a college game, and who hadn't had much of a chance during spring camp to practice fully with the team due to his shoulder. So the idea of him being listed as a starter at CB on the spring depth chart - like the article states - was quite dubious to say the least.

But that doesn't mean at all that Ali isn't capable of contributing to the depth at CB this season...it just meant that he wasn't going to contribute at all in the spring...
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Whenever the coaching staff is willing to roll the dice on 36% of a class not qualifying then yes you are screwed. It reeks of desperation to sign that many borderline kids regardless of how talented they might be.
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Whenever the coaching staff is willing to roll the dice on 36% of a class not qualifying then yes you are screwed. It reeks of desperation to sign that many borderline kids regardless of how talented they might be.
I've read reports that it's actually up to 11 of the 21 were borderline. 3 having already failed to qualify with as many as 8 others who were maybes, some having since qualified, many still in limbo.

Risk accesment is a well established profession. The earnings of those such as insurance companies and sports books demonstrate how expertise can predict outcomes with remarkable accuracy using trends and far less hard information than is availible for this process.
Even if every one of the remaining youngsters qualifies, and while unlikely, we all hope ea does, it appears our staff would benifitt from acquiring someone with additional expertise to measure likelyhoods prospects will struggle to qualify

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Whenever the coaching staff is willing to roll the dice on 36% of a class not qualifying then yes you are screwed. It reeks of desperation to sign that many borderline kids regardless of how talented they might be.
Particularly how many of them are at positions of need, like CB and DE.
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