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Old 08-21-2014, 02:40 PM   #1
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But this is great to read. I think Corey has had some difficult times on the line. I am hoping this year he will really shine. If he does that is a huge position of strength for Carolina.

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I haven't either. Waldrop was attacked by schemes devised by Clemson and Wisconsin DCs, and that disrupted several offensive plays. I know Waldrop was injured, but it looked to me as though he was also indecisive. I am hoping it was just the injury.
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I haven't either. Waldrop was attacked by schemes devised by Clemson and Wisconsin DCs, and that disrupted several offensive plays. I know Waldrop was injured, but it looked to me as though he was also indecisive. I am hoping it was just the injury.
Waldrop was a redshirt freshman making him the least experienced lineman and he missed most of the year with an injury. He plays arguably the toughest and most important position on the line. He will be a year older, stronger and smarter and that should prove to be most beneficial.
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I haven't either. Waldrop was attacked by schemes devised by Clemson and Wisconsin DCs, and that disrupted several offensive plays. I know Waldrop was injured, but it looked to me as though he was also indecisive. I am hoping it was just the injury.
Clemson blitzed almost every down...that is Venerables "genius" plan.
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There are a couple of issues in OL criticism that usually get overlooked. The "dominate" expectation just doesn't hold up in the SEC. These guys face DT's and DE's who are among the best in the country. Holding them off a high percentage of the time is rarely done by anybody. Secondly, teams like Clemson last year regularly stack the box against good running teams. That makes pass protection and running very difficult with run/pass pressure and stunting. The coaches, QB, and run/pass crew have to make them pay by exploiting what they are given. When our QB prior to Shaw was here, they pressured him with run-blitz and a stacked box often, because he had such accuracy problems. Shaw often made them pay with QB runs and middle screens. If the QB is off, playcalling is bad, or linemen are worn down, the blame is often cast at the OL. It takes a whole team effort (plus coaches) to offset a defense aimed at stopping a team's best offensive weapon. That's why UNC, ECU, etc. used their speed/wide game against our DL that was too much for their OL without stunting or linebacker pressure. I contend that the dominating OL in SEC play is more perception than reality. Anything can be schemed against if it isn't countered.
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There are a couple of issues in OL criticism that usually get overlooked. The "dominate" expectation just doesn't hold up in the SEC. These guys face DT's and DE's who are among the best in the country..............................
Agreed! It ain't like the old days when OLs on the top ten teams all dominated their opponent. Just about every SEC team seems to send one DL to the pros every year. The line play in the SEC is at a very high level on both sides of the ball. You don't see many pancake blocks in the SEC because there are no pancakes on the defenses to block.
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There are a couple of issues in OL criticism that usually get overlooked. The "dominate" expectation just doesn't hold up in the SEC. These guys face DT's and DE's who are among the best in the country. Holding them off a high percentage of the time is rarely done by anybody. Secondly, teams like Clemson last year regularly stack the box against good running teams. That makes pass protection and running very difficult with run/pass pressure and stunting. The coaches, QB, and run/pass crew have to make them pay by exploiting what they are given. When our QB prior to Shaw was here, they pressured him with run-blitz and a stacked box often, because he had such accuracy problems. Shaw often made them pay with QB runs and middle screens. If the QB is off, playcalling is bad, or linemen are worn down, the blame is often cast at the OL. It takes a whole team effort (plus coaches) to offset a defense aimed at stopping a team's best offensive weapon. That's why UNC, ECU, etc. used their speed/wide game against our DL that was too much for their OL without stunting or linebacker pressure. I contend that the dominating OL in SEC play is more perception than reality. Anything can be schemed against if it isn't countered.
Good post....all things considered, the OL should be better than last year, how much better is yet to be determined. If teams stack the box against us and we can't throw to back them away from the LOS, then we're going to have a tough year. With Dylan having little experience and Mike Davis being one of the best RB in the country, we can expect to see this defense early and often. So our WR and TE are going to get singled a lot.....Dylan is going to have to be accurate early. With all the talent we have on offense, I'm going to be disappointed if we don't come close to 500 yards a game this year.
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There are a couple of issues in OL criticism that usually get overlooked. The "dominate" expectation just doesn't hold up in the SEC. These guys face DT's and DE's who are among the best in the country. Holding them off a high percentage of the time is rarely done by anybody. Secondly, teams like Clemson last year regularly stack the box against good running teams. That makes pass protection and running very difficult with run/pass pressure and stunting. The coaches, QB, and run/pass crew have to make them pay by exploiting what they are given. When our QB prior to Shaw was here, they pressured him with run-blitz and a stacked box often, because he had such accuracy problems. Shaw often made them pay with QB runs and middle screens. If the QB is off, playcalling is bad, or linemen are worn down, the blame is often cast at the OL. It takes a whole team effort (plus coaches) to offset a defense aimed at stopping a team's best offensive weapon. That's why UNC, ECU, etc. used their speed/wide game against our DL that was too much for their OL without stunting or linebacker pressure. I contend that the dominating OL in SEC play is more perception than reality. Anything can be schemed against if it isn't countered.
You are probably right. However, Wisconsin was able to run on our DL last year. They seemed to lean into our guys at the right angles. They were just good. Maybe a good OL can be successful. Bielema is trying to prove it ... the stubborn fellow.
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You are probably right. However, Wisconsin was able to run on our DL last year. They seemed to lean into our guys at the right angles. They were just good. Maybe a good OL can be successful. Bielema is trying to prove it ... the stubborn fellow.
Wisconsin ran on everyone last year. Their average was about 260 yards per game. I might be a tad off on the average, but it was really good
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You are probably right. However, Wisconsin was able to run on our DL last year. They seemed to lean into our guys at the right angles. They were just good. Maybe a good OL can be successful. Bielema is trying to prove it ... the stubborn fellow.
Interestingly, the Wisconsin coaches remarked after the game they were surprised we slowed their running game without stunting and altering our base defense which made it hard for them to use their limited passing plans. At half, our defense made some small change that tightened against the run some, but it was difficult to stop Wisconsin's run game last year. We did better at limiting points than yards, I believe. They got about 10 yds over their average on the ground, but about 100 under through the air, and we held them 10 points below their scoring average.
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Interestingly, the Wisconsin coaches remarked after the game they were surprised we slowed their running game without stunting and altering our base defense which made it hard for them to use their limited passing plans. At half, our defense made some small change that tightened against the run some, but it was difficult to stop Wisconsin's run game last year. We did better at limiting points than yards, I believe. They got about 10 yds over their average on the ground, but about 100 under through the air, and we held them 10 points below their scoring average.
That is one of the things I like about Ward. He and Johnson. He always has a second half wrinkle up his sleeve.
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Waldrop doesn't worry me as much as our tackles. They have whiffed against average ends quite a bit.
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Yep...against smaller/quicker guys who just zipped on by. They also still struggle against a stunt or blitz....just don't see it.
But everyone does this and it's so much a part of the game today. Still, it was disappointing to see Wisconsin put on a clinic of how to block against one of the better DLs in the nation back in Jan. Better skill players won that bowl game for us.
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The only hype is by those that know no better. I don't expect it to be a great OL, but will be the first kid jumping up and down if they turn out to be something special.
Yep...against smaller/quicker guys who just zipped on by. They also still struggle against a stunt or blitz....just don't see it.
But everyone does this and it's so much a part of the game today. Still, it was disappointing to see Wisconsin put on a clinic of how to block against one of the better DLs in the nation back in Jan. Better skill players won that bowl game for us.
what was the score in the Wisconsin game.....I seem to have forgotten.

the coaches and all the insider experts have said our OL line will be much improved over last year. maybe you should call them and let them you know that's not going to be the case.....
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what was the score in the Wisconsin game.....I seem to have forgotten.

the coaches and all the insider experts have said our OL line will be much improved over last year. maybe you should call them and let them you know that's not going to be the case.....
I saw spurrier after spring practice, and I assure you he was not happy with our run blocking at the end of the year or in spring practice. He thought Florida and Wisky really stuffed our run. The only long run against UF was a draw where the linemen let them in...
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I saw spurrier after spring practice, and I assure you he was not happy with our run blocking at the end of the year or in spring practice. He thought Florida and Wisky really stuffed our run. The only long run against UF was a draw where the linemen let them in...
I haven't gone back and looked at those games, but I think both of them brought a safety up to the LOS and forced Shaw to beat them....plus Florida's defense was pretty good all year. Taters stuffed our run pretty well too. But that was last year. My original comment was that most people that have seen them during camp think the OL is much improved over last year.
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what was the score in the Wisconsin game.....I seem to have forgotten.

the coaches and all the insider experts have said our OL line will be much improved over last year. maybe you should call them and let them you know that's not going to be the case.....
That really contributed to the discussion....
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That really contributed to the discussion....
if you read what I said, the people that have seen them during camp said they are playing much better which has given a lot of people a reason to be optimistic about this year.....everybody but you anyway....
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It's not that bad really. It seem worse because as fans we focus on the weakness of our team and not on others, but it happens to just about all teams every game. Did you see Kouandijo vs. Oklahoma last year? Sometimes the guy on the other side of the line wins, sometimes you stop them. I think we are better than average in pass protection. We should be pretty dominate in run blocking. We have experienced NFL talent at both tackle spots. That makes me optimistic.
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I think we are better than average in pass protection. We should be pretty dominate in run blocking. We have experienced NFL talent at both tackle spots.
We struggled run blocking last year, there were plenty of instances where we couldn't generate any kind of a push even in short yardage situations.

As for pass blocking, I didn't see us last year as "better than average". Both of our "NFL talent" tackles struggled with speed rushers, Robinson moreso than Shell.
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