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Old 08-24-2014, 11:56 PM   #1
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We aren't the only team to be introducing this new style defense. It's not just a different formation it is a radical change in football as we know it.

It means there will be less big lineman on the field. No more will we see the typical 4 big guys on the line. It means if you want to play the interior line on defense in college football there will be less demand for your services. Speed is more important than size. Big means less now. If you're going to start on the interior D you need to be better than players were just a year ago since there are fewer job openings for the big framed DL guys and more jobs for the more agile, speedy mid size guys..

The 3-4 will also cause changes on the other side of the ball too. Offenses will be able to do different things as well as not do things they used to do.

The 3-4 is not a formation change. It is a major change to the game of football as we knew it.
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Default Re: The 3-4

We won't be running it full time. Ward's base D is a 4-2-5. The 3-4 looks will be to help with coverage's and because we have a surplus of LB's that need to see the field, and a lack of DE depth.

And if we want to get technical, if Golightly is going to be on the field as part of the LB's then technically it's a 3-3-5. Or will he go off the field to make it a true 3-4?
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The more I've read about it, the more it looks like we're going to using it. I think either Botkin or Adams said probably around 50% a few days ago.
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Looking at our depth at DE vs DT, we had better use it at least that much.
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When we use it, we'll just remove Dixon (DT) and add BAW (starter).....all the other players stay the same......
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When we use it, we'll just remove Dixon (DT) and add BAW (starter).....all the other players stay the same......
I also heard that the coaches said they were pleased to find out that Deon Green could play some DE in the 3/4 also.
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I also heard that the coaches said they were pleased to find out that Deon Green could play some DE in the 3/4 also.
This is true. There are alot of different personnel combinations we will use.

Also we still have the rabbits package.
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The Rabbits package and the 3-4 are geared to get more speed on the field. Anotherwords Whammy isn't trying to dream up a defense with six 300lb DLs because it would be disaster. Defenses are turning away from the use of the big interior lineman.
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I also heard that the coaches said they were pleased to find out that Deon Green could play some DE in the 3/4 also.
plus Griffin and Lamin as well....we are loaded at DT.
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The game is changing. 300lb DLs were very valuable in the old days and very rare. However, today the game has changed to more of a speed game. LBs and DBs are more suited to catching RBs and WRs. Basically the 3-4 is a 3-8. It's 3 big guys and 8 guys that can run. I wish we had had the 3-4 last year vs Tenn. It always looked like we had one too few LBs.
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When we use it, we'll just remove Dixon (DT) and add BAW (starter).....all the other players stay the same......
This is incorrect, as I said in the previous post, the whole point to moving to a 3-4 was our lack of depth at 4-3 DEs, and our abundance of DTs. You'll most likely see English come out and/or Dixon (DE) and replaced by our other tackles. Now I'm not sure what our depth chart at NG/DE in the 3/4 looks like, cuz I don't think they've ever released that other than telling us the Rush OLB depth which was Bryson Allen Williams, Larenz Bryant, and Cedrick Cooper. However, I just don't see any way Darius English could be considered a DE in a 3-4, it would be very hard for a 6'6 250 lb guy to take on constant double teams from the OL and maintain his ground, especially a first year starter.
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WE have tons of talent on our defense and whatever the coaches have decided to do will be fine because we have the players to pull it off.
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This is incorrect, as I said in the previous post, the whole point to moving to a 3-4 was our lack of depth at 4-3 DEs, and our abundance of DTs.
The game of football is shifting towards getting more speed on the D side of the ball. The whole game is going that way. The 3-4 isn't something that just Whammy thought up. He's just keeping up with modern trends in football.
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The 3-4 isn't something that just Whammy thought up. He's just keeping up with modern trends in football.
I don't know if it's as much that, or if it's using the scheme that maximizes our talent level on the field.
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The game of football is shifting towards getting more speed on the D side of the ball. The whole game is going that way. The 3-4 isn't something that just Whammy thought up. He's just keeping up with modern trends in football.
Did you ignore my other post for any particular reason?

You know, the more and more I see you post, the more I'm convinced you're just trolling subtly enough to get away with it for a long time. Either that or you're one of those people who literally believe anything they hear on TV or read on the internet without actually doing any fact checking. Like three years ago when you tried to convince everyone that there are people out there running sub 4.0 40 yard dashes.

http://www.cockytalk.com/showthread....ight=yard+dash

If you are trolling, then touche sir, you've been doing a good job for a long time, if not then I'll just say...

Your "modern trends of football" as you say is not so modern anymore. The trend towards faster more athletic players started around 20 years ago and Spurrier at Florida was one of the main reasons for this trend. South Carolina made this trend switch basically back in the year 2000 when we switched to a 4-2-5 base defense and have pretty much used that as a base ever since. The reason for the switch to a 3-4 now has nothing to do with your statement that I've quoted in this post. Just like many have stated we are going to really be running a hybrid 3-4 that is more a 3-3-5 most of the time, same as we ran a hybrid 4-3 that was really a 4-2-5 most of the time. The 3-4 is designed for the 3 down lineman to eat up space, take on double teams, and generally control the line of scrimmage while leaving the LBs to make plays. With out current depth at DT, and lack of depth at 4-3 DEs, we can generally get our best players on the field more while hiding our lack of depth at DE by using this front.

Any way, I'm sure you'll either ignore my post, or just claim you're right based on information that is not backed up by facts of any kind as is your normal routine. Have a good night.
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This is incorrect, as I said in the previous post, the whole point to moving to a 3-4 was our lack of depth at 4-3 DEs, and our abundance of DTs. You'll most likely see English come out and/or Dixon (DE) and replaced by our other tackles.
id still expect him to start at de if we come out in the 3-4, but we do have guys who are bigger options like deon green who have practiced as a 3-4 end. the typical 3 dl occupying blockers may not apply because of personnel the other team is using and down distance situation.

youre aware of this im sure, but its not just the lack of depth of our 4-3 ends, its the lack of an experienced pass rusher that we felt confident in giving us all sec production going into the offseason. keeping both of the 4-2 defensive ends on the field in the 3-3 may be the plan. we'll see how it works if thats the case. going into last season the plan was to have clowney play dt in the rabbit package. we tried that in the opener then basically scrapped it the rest of the season as far as putting his hand in the dirt from a dt position.
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id still expect him to start at de if we come out in the 3-4, but we do have guys who are bigger options like deon green who have practiced as a 3-4 end. the typical 3 dl occupying blockers may not apply because of personnel the other team is using and down distance situation.

youre aware of this im sure, but its not just the lack of depth of our 4-3 ends, its the lack of an experienced pass rusher that we felt confident in giving us all sec production going into the offseason. keeping both of the 4-2 defensive ends on the field in the 3-3 may be the plan. we'll see how it works if thats the case. going into last season the plan was to have clowney play dt in the rabbit package. we tried that in the opener then basically scrapped it the rest of the season as far as putting his hand in the dirt from a dt position.
Now obviously we're all simplifying these defenses and making generalizations for the purpose of discussion, and both the 4-3 and 3-4 are both very flexible and can employ a lot of different looks. And I'm certainly not saying you'll never see English in as a DE in the 3-4. However, just like last year the coaches weren't comfortable with English being an every down DE in the 4-3 because he struggled against the run, the reason I don't see him STARTING as a 3-4 DE is the exact same reason, his strength right now is not against the run, and if he struggles with this as a 4-3 DE, he's going to struggle a lot more as a 3-4 DE. Now he may have improved leaps and bounds, but I can't see him being a viable every down 3-4 DE... just don't see it.

As far as depth chart in the 3-4 we only know the non spur OLB position which has Bryson Allen-Williams, Larenz Bryant, and Cedrick Cooper. My guess for the 3 man front would definitely have Gerald Dixon Jr and Phillip Dukes at NG. Surratt could probably go NG or DE. Lamin could probably go NG or DE, I'm guessing DE. Griffin could probably do NG or DE. Deon Green is definitely a DE, Gerald Dixon and David Johnson are certainly DEs. I could see English being a DE or an OLB in the system but we know he's not playing the one OLB spot, maybe they have a base 3-4-4 that doesn't employ the spur too, I dunno. However, English at DE in a 3-4 I would see more as the non covered DE in pass rushing situations, so you'd see him rushing from one end and Bryson Allen Williams coming from the other. I would not be shocked AT ALL to see us run a 3 man front like Alabama where you got 3 300 lb monsters holding the line of scrimmage, maybe Abu Lamin and JT Surratt at DE, and Gerald Dixon Jr at NG, backed up by Dixon/Griffin/Green at DE and Dukes at NG.
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Come to think of it, that's true. I guess it still get's the strength of the defense on the field.
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Come to think of it, that's true. I guess it still get's the strength of the defense on the field.
Getting BAW on the field to either cover in space or rush the passer is an upgrade over a DT that will be mostly a run stopper.
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I'm ok with it if it works.
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